Chad Henne doesn't want your appology, but he deserves it. Man up and eat your crow.

62% and 79 QBR

Take away that one Steeler INT which the refs wrongly gave him and he's over 80.

Next question...

 

I rounded both guys. Henne is 61.8% comp and 78.8 QBR

 

http://www.nfl.com/players/chadhenne/careerstats?id=HEN507580

after the Oakland game hes got an 81 QBR this season. which actually puts him right next to sanchez in league rankings. Let the career comparisons continue!

 

See, it's not an argument if you just speech macro the same thing rather than giving evidence of the claims made. I think Law & Order would call it an "Artistic work of fiction".

 

I have heard from people in the club that the club is similiar in this regard...

 

For the season. I was referring to his career QBR. Every one of Henne's career stats are equal to or better than Sanchez's career stats. However, since the Dolphins aren't winning like the Jests ignorant people will proclaim Sanchez to be better. I just don't understand it.

 

In club you can't just say one word answers and thoughts, you need to bake what your cooking in order to sell it to the masses.

 

Well, Santonio Holmes has been helping quite a bit by turning EVERY QUICK SLANT into a TD. You and I, without me even knowing your physical state, could throw a td to Holmes at this point.

 

What a gyp. I wanted to see some hate mongers gag on Thanksgiving crow.

 

I wonder if you'll still protect Henne if he throws 3-4 interceptions that game.

 

I think you may be right. It's funny that one QB is proclaimed better than the other based off of only the number of commercials they have and/or how much the media kisses their behind. The term "sheeple" fits perfectly in this case.

 

This thread is as pointless as the "Where are all the Henne lovers now" type threads when he struggles.

 

Des,while I agree with everything you just said about the response, you just gave the minority, 1 person in this case, and categorized he or she into a bigger group...that too can have a negative residual effect, basically your just feeding the beast.

I like to think that on our board here, that is an isolated case of ignornace...and when I see that, i like to respond in a singular way, all to not group together more than I need to...Hope you know where iam coming from, do disrespect at all.

 

He's right about that Nap..That was pure arm talent..to be able to turn your hands like that, turn and run, is elementary.

 

iam not sure everyone realizes how excellent this site is, there are some very cool, eclectic, smart people, and an endless supply of great football knowledge...I think we should be more grateful for this place rather then criticizing it in such broad brushes.

 

And I'll assume that people like you will keep bashing him even though it's his 24th start, huh?

Let's play a game. It's called, "Guess the QB".

Ready?

All the following stats are after 23 starts:

38 TD's, 36 INT's, 57% comp, 78 QBR

25 TD's, 23 INT's, 59% comp, 71 QBR

Can you guess who these guys are?

And here is Henne after 23 starts:

23 TD's, 25 INT's, 62% comp, 78 QBR

 

I'm going to guess Joe Flacco & Mark Sanchez? I only guess because it's so predictable from every Dolphin fan these days to compare those two.

What are the won/loss records of those two QBs listed--including their playoff record?

 

Jay Cutler and Mark Sanchez?

 

Hmm, going on your logic, I'd venture to say that you believe John Elway was a better QB than Dan Marino. Would I be correct?

 

Win loss records are not comparable because they both have better all around teams.

 

P. Manning and Drew Brees.

Win/Loss records, IMO, are more telling about how well a team as a whole is doing and not one individual player. INcluding the QB.

However, here are those numbers:

P. Manning- 8-15

Brees- 9-14

 

confused? anytime a dolphin QB takes the field in a game he has my total support.
having said that
I don't think Henne is the franchise quality QB that can take us to a SuperBowl.
Chad Henne is mediocre @ best & we can do better in 2011 @ QB.
makes perfect sense to me

 

Those numbers are great, but have nothing to do with whether or not Henne is going to become an elite QB. Just because his numbers through 23 starts are comparable with Manning doesn't mean he's going to become Manning.

There is more that goes into it.

 

Well, you said in your first post that you stopped supporting him, yet you support the Fins QB.

Did you cheer when he threw his 2 TD passes?

 

I didn't, I cursed the day he was born!!

 

Friend NJFINSFAN1:
I've celebrated every Dolphin victory, since before you were born & that is a matter of fact.

 

Missed the point? Is there someplace where I've written that Henne will be, or is now, elite? Did I even slightly infer that Henne= Manning?

The point is, and I thought it was simple enough, what if people had given up on Manning or Brees through 23 games? 23 games is way too early to give up on a QB.

 

Thank God someone gets it!

 

True. but Peyton Manning showed he was elite or was going to be elite pretty much right away, even though he threw alot of interceptions. I remember when he almost brought the colts back to beat the 'Fins in his first game. You could already tell that he was going to be great. He just had "it".

 

I just find it funny that Henne plays bad your the first one saying he stinks, but when he plays well you can't give him credit.

PS

The Fins started in 1966, I was born in 1963, so I find your fact hard to believe.

 

Who can we reasonably get that will be better than what we have seen this year (that's assuming Henne doesn't improve into next season, which I'd doubt)? And why?

It may make perfect sense to you, but you sure don't share your train of thought with anyone so that they can even understand you snippets of wavering opinions.

 

If you want to get technical about it, SD did give up on Brees and drafted rivers. It just worked out that Brees started to get better after they drafted Rivers. Is SD unhappy it drafted Rivers? Of course not.

I think the main thing people who aren't over the moon about Henne are trying to say is that Henne has not shown enough to avoid seeking an upgrade at the position if one comes along. If we were 2-9 right now with Henne putting up the same numbers I'm pretty sure we'd be talking alot about Andrew Luck.

 

Well Ryan last year (2nd year as a starter 2009) had after his first 10 starts... record of 5-5...

59% completion with a 6.6 YPA...and an 80 QBR...

Henne is his first 10 starts this year (2nd year starter) record of 6-4...

63% completion with a 7.3 YPA...and a 81 QBR...

and we all know that Ryan (on his 3rd year) is having again a terrible year with the Falcons... a little sarcasm...

 

I always love it when people talk about this mythical "it". "Clutch" is good too.

Please, in detail, tell us all what "it" is.

Is "it" a lack of throwing INT's? Well, it couldn't be that.

Is "it" the number of wins? No, 8-15 doesn't sound right.

I'm confused. So Manning, in his 1.5 INT average over his first 23 games, 8 wins and 78 QBR "showed" he was elite, but Henne, in his 1 INT per game average, 13 wins and 78 QBR shows he's not?

What I really think is that people like "feel good" stories. It just "feels good" to say a person has magical abilities. It feels good to say that one player can somehow just "will" a win, even when he plays horrible all game long, but wins, it shows that person has "it".

What a load of bull****.

 

Man you have been wrong here so many times in the year I've been here it is not even funny. You bashed Chris Clemons saying he couldn't play the position and we need Jason Allen in there. Hell that guy is no longer around. You also said Will Allen would get a shot at FS and he is damn near out the door. You jumped on Thigpen's jock after he came in and moved us well then he laid an egg. You had stated last season that Chad Henne had made his bones and he was the guy to be the one to lead us to the SB. That wasn't your exact wording but oh boy do we speak a different language. I couldn't repeat it if I tried... You are a different breed and a very frustrating one at that. I'm not sure of your game but your analysis of football players and this team have got to be one of the worst I have ever come across. You just don't understand what it takes for football players to develop. You also wanted to keep JT and you adore Crowder which leaves me scratching a big hole in my head. Dude I hate to see you embarrassing yourself daily I mean to the point where how could someone be mad at you for getting everything wrong. I feel sympathy I really do. I know you will interpret this as a personal attack and tell everyone I was mean and send me pm's and all but that is not my point. If I had your abilities or lack thereof to judge football as a whole and something as important as the Dolphins QB I would just give up now. There are some heavy hitters at this board who are very knowledgeable and extremely talented and I love reading all there stuff whether it is negative to me or not. They make some valid points daily. I struggle to find anything valid with you bro. Listen if we met in person I would probably like you cause I get along with most everyone but as a poster here at the board you just don't compete. I actually feel sympathy and sadness saying this man but I think you need a new hobby.

 

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No. I'm completely biased as Dan Marino was my favorite player growing up during my childhood. However, that argument has been had here before and it's not a very good one to support your argument because you'll probably find more support for Elway over Marino--sans Dolphin fans.

John Elway won with some very bad teams too and took them to more Super Bowls. I love Marino and he had some REAL deficiencies on his team for sure.