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Brandon Marshall doesn't play Sunday, good thing or bad thing?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Nov 25, 2010.

  1. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Its both...these circumstances and situations always are both. Opportunities to see other options and talents (Like WR carosel in INDY and SD) and Dissapointment that a star WR is out. What frustrates me more and more watching other games and offensive styles is the pure number of shots taken deeper down the field, or deeper crossing routes and middle slants that Miami simply fails to take. I personally lay that at the feet of our QBs not attempting these passes/routes. Not only for Completions and YAC, but for Defensive Penalities and automatic 1st downs as well.

    Far to many times I see deeper routes and deeper crossing patters not being thrown to by our QBs then I see limited play calling by Henning. Would I be happier with a new Offensive philosophy and OC, sure...but until a QB attempts to throw deeper and deeper to consistently stretch and challenge the opposing defense I will be less concerned with who is calling the plays then I will be with who is failing to EXECUTE them.

    Marshall will be out of the next few games....we need WRs to not simply step up...we need our QB to attack and be carefree in that attitude to attack. Postive things such as Completions, TDs, YAC, Defensive Penalities, new set of downs, can all result from stretching the field -even in traffic. It doesnt have to be a perfect vertical pass...it simply has to be in a place where the Defender doesnt realize the ball is in the air and the WR then can use his brain and body to create contact or seperation.

    Let other WRs step up....but bottomline is our QB has to "take risk".

    Heck a deep INT is just like a PUNT many times....so be it....be more aggressive.
     
  2. frags

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    Just a thought that has been running through my mind in recent weeks. I may be wrong and I will certainly admit being so, however he seems to be disenchanted with the playcalling and/or QB situation (I honestly think he does not like Henne). Padre, I am not saying the injury was not serious, but rather that he may be milking the recovery out of frustration. Remember, McDaniels did suspend Marshall for a season finale against a division rival (KC or SD?) while they were pushing for the playoffs as he believed a milking of the injury was occurring. Padre, I concur, you cannot discount his competitive drive, however the pieces that cultivate that drive have to be in place or his mental approach kicks in. He has made some questionable decisions recently that seem to further this notion. I sincerely want to believe this is not occurring, however a part of me believes it is. Only time will tell.
     
  3. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, let's say you are correct, BM is not happy with the playcalling or Henne or whatever, wouldn't the best thing to happen then is for him to be shown this offense moves better without him than with him at Wr?
     
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  4. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    I don't think Dan Henning likes Chad Henne. Hell, I don't think Dan Henning likes to score points.
     
  5. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Or for the cardiovascular health of the fans.
     
  6. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    I've stayed out of this thread till now. Marshall is hurt and more than likely won't make the trip. I'm not sure at this point we will miss him all that much really. I would have benched him in Chicago after the the antics with the cuteness. Marshall is not focused and hasn't helped us lately. I won't miss him dropping footballs and doing things that hurt this football team. Like I said the decision is pretty much made by the injury but if it hadn't I would have sat him down to prove a point. Yeah utter frustration would probably loom but BM is too big for his britches right now. He needs to be put back in his place.
     
  7. padre31

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    Well, imho BM puts so much pressure on himself to be "the guy" that it hurts his game.

    So other Wr's stepping up and playing well maybe will chill him out a bit?

    and that is not to excuse his boneheaded antics, it is to say that sometimes not having to be the man does help a player perform better.
     
  8. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    A hell Pod I see it too. Marshall wants it to happen so bad he is inside his own head.
    So yeah your opinion is right on this I believe. It is just such a tough situation. You never want to go without your best WR but the timing with the injury might be okay if there is such a thing.
    Like I said this is a real tough situation.....
     
  9. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yeah Bro, no one wants to go into battle and leave a sword in it's scabbard I just happen to think there is so much organizational pressure to make sure BM produces, that he feels, that the offense has titled the game plan to make sure it happens.

    For me, Henne spraying the ball around is the successful Chad Henne from 09, anyone could see a pass thrown their way this game.
     
  10. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Not sure I want to see Henne spraying it around all day..... that creates those INT's you gripe about daily :pointlol:
    What I would love to see is Wallace in the red zone. :up:
     
  11. padre31

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    Well, tbf to Henne, 1 int was BS 3 were legit tipped passes and or BM breaking off the route, granted Henne should have seen what BM saw.

    My real complaint with Henne is a distinct lack of kajones when it comes to throwing the ball down the field, to his credit he did seem to overcome that in the Titans game.
     
  12. padre31

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    You can in this offense, it is not really designed to feed the ball to one guy Aqua, it is a short pass/timing offense.

    And Williams was far more valuable in 2003 than Marshall is in 2010, he handled the ball 3x more than Marshall ever will and was the focus of the offense.
     
  13. padre31

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    We are 31st in scoring Aqua, just how "opened up" has the offense been?
     
  14. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    :lol:

    I was thinking the exact same thing........
     
  15. padre31

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    Raiders play man to man, single high Safety Aqua, if anything this only means Nnamdi is lining up on Hartline in man to man.
     
  16. joeyp

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    its a good thing we are at our best when we play as a team. Marshall is a great talent but hes a me ballplayer and we need to win games....go Fins
     
  17. Pbateman

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    Its a good thing, we're done for the year there is no reason for him to be in there to make his injury worse. Lets see what the young guys can do the rest of the way, one of them might earn a spot on next years team.
     
  18. frags

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    Oh but of course Padre, I wholeheartedly agree. Killer hit it on the nail with his subsequent comment: Marshall at times must be put in his place so to speak. However, it is tough to do so if you are mediocre.
     
  19. princekong2

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    With Marshall Not In the Game We Lose
    -That Double Team he Requires
    -Stupid Penalties
    -Dropped Balls
    When The Negatives Add Up More To The Positives Theres a Problem
    Maybe Someone Needs to Hit Him Really Hard
     
  20. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well that and the huge bet the Dolphins Organization has made on Brandon Marshall, 2 #2's, 10 million dollars.

    I know fans like to really believe that "Coach will play the best guy" the fact is they are not totally immune from the realities of the business side of football, the key is how much leverage the Staff gives that player to dictate some things.

    Remove him from that mix and it will be interesting to see how the offense responds.
     
  21. padre31

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    Annnddddddddddddddd....errr..well.....33 points, South Beach ***** was nowhere to be seen.

    *Gosh* who could have predicted such a thing?

    Well, the proof is in this very thread, allow me to add some swagger, this thread is a really good sifter between those who know SparanoBall, and those who invest themselves into just a player.


    I know what side of the ledger I am on, how about you?

    SparanoBall is Band of Brothers football, any Brother can make plays on any given day, the difference is, the more touches are spread out, the better the Fellas perform...:yes:
     
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  22. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    hmm..nope.
     
  23. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    This was by no stretch a great day for our WRs, but Henne/Bess continues to make great connections. Not sure if Marshall would've made a difference either way, Nmadi was hurt and Henning still called bad plays. Overall Id say it was a great day for our defense and Chad Henne.
     
  24. MikeHoncho

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    **** Brandon Marshall. That is all.
     
  25. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It felt today like Henne was dropping back, and looking for the open man, not looking for one target, then clammoring to find who else may get open. I dont know how much of that has to do with us playing Oakland or not, but.. the offense seemed to perform much better today without him. Its an interesting thought to ponder, thats for sure.
     
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  26. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Ozman..we have watched Sparano for 3 yrs now, we know how much even backup players are prepped and how hungry those wolf pups must be...
     
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  27. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Could it also possibly be the Raiders are a team that plays a lot of man and Henne generally does good against teams that play a lot of man?
     
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  28. bluehaze

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    SO we win one game without Brandon Marshall and all of a sudden we should up and get rid of him? Don't follow the logic. Yeah we spread the ball around today...spread it around to whomever McFadden was covering. Biggest difference today was we actually ran the ball which opened up the passing game.
     
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  29. padre31

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    Er, no, not yet, if anything this shows how "feeding the beast" is counterproductve, let him smell the fact that the offense actually does better without him, and his crap sticks out like a sore thumb.
     
  30. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    I loved the Moore TD Padre. I couldn't help but think how good that was for you bro. Now he has as many TD's as BM.
     
  31. padre31

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    The only way it was worthwhile for me was in the sense that the Offense would do better, in the short term, without the albatross of Marshall around it's neck.

    I "knew" it and folks who know football should have known it, SparanoBall just works better when anyone could catch the pass.

    That said, message sent, we still need Brandon Marshall but he has to understand this is a choir, not a solo effort.
     
  32. NJFINSFAN1

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    Marshall was missed, but Moore stepped up.

    But who know's, maybe we score 45 with Marshall?
     
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  33. NJFINSFAN1

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    Padre wanted that to be Wallace, not my guy Moore! :tongue2:
     
  34. padre31

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    I almost despise the thought of his return NJ, let the faceless step up and seize their role rather than taking that shortcut.

    If u see Brandon Marshall, tell him "for he who sheds his blood with me this day shall be my Brother"

    ***** ain't down with the sickness, **** him, unless he humbles himself and buys in, otherwise he is no different that Ernest Wilford, a UDFA wolf cub did more than he has in 9 games THIS is SparanoBall NJ.

    That Wolf has to be fed, or it will feed, not that I am totally down on Marshall, a UDFA can do what he can do, what is up with that?

    This nonsense of "he changes coverages" is exactly that, bull****, produce, or shut up.

    Marshall isn't hungry anymore.
     
  35. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    that Moore play was reminiscent of that TD Marino threw to Clayton in the playoff game against KC in '90. Except Marlon had more field to cover. Great play by Moore.
     
  36. padre31

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    Free your mind Bro.
     
  37. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    100% correct dupree. anytime we face a man to man team expect henne to have a good day although the ten man blitzes were new lol. he did ok on half of them. the other half not so much lol
     
  38. padre31

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    Which is "Why" we need Lancelot Du Luc..ie..Brandon Marshall...

    However, "need" should never mean anyone..and I do mean ANYONE puts themselves over the team...I'd rather do without the guys who would not share a foxhole...


    [video=youtube;mYknSS0h-5Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYknSS0h-5Y[/video]

    sometimes a King has to reach back and dig deep in order to show their compatriots that :yeah, your **** does stank"
     
  39. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I only got to watch the first half...but I saw Bess catch two balls with Asamugha in coverage on him...
     
  40. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    if we get back to being a running team next year it wont matter who we have at receiver. a parcells offense doesnt need it. they are a luxury not a necessity. run blockers are a necessity however and we better get at least one stud on the interior of the oline next year if we're going to make that playoff run
     

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