I have to ask why, other than he wears Aqua and orange. Accuracey? Arm strength? The mobilty of Vinny Testerverde?
Now now...don't go getting all cocky. If memory serves me, your team "found a QB" with: ~ Matt Robinson ~ Richard Todd ~ Ken O'Brien ~ Browning Nagle ~ Boomer Esiason ~ Neil O'Donnel ~ Vinny Testaverde ~ Brooks Bollinger ~ Chad Pennington ~ Brett Favre Don't argue either. Maybe you didn't, but the NY papers with EACH one of those guys crowned him the "savior" after a few good showings. Heroics against the Broncs, Lions, Browns and Texans aren't exactly Montana leading the Niners to the winning TD in the superbowl. Let's have Nacho win a game against a decent opponent first before we anoint him, k?
You are the biggest hater here. If the Jets lose out, they have accomplished more than your sorry team has. You're just jealous that #6 is a FRANCHISE QB. I know you think we're good. I know you do.
No - you're not. What did I annoint him as? The next great QB od the decade? No. I said we found a QB, meaning that we won't be looking for one any time soon. The organization expects Sanchez to be the QB for the next 8-10 years. He has to have a game winning drive in the Super Bowl before I can claim that? All I said was that the Jets found out they had a QB. How can you argue that? Do you think they will draft a QB in the offseason? Do you think he is going to lose his job to Mark Brunelle? The Jets organization is committed to him and rightfully so. He's improved since last year, and has been playing well. Meanwhile Miami is still looking for a QB (which is also a point that I made). You guys haven't even come close. As dysfunctional as the Jets organization was, at least they drafted and developed Pennington, who is way better than anything Miami has produced since Marino. And Testeverde did pretty well for them as a free agent. What's your claim to fame? Cullpepper?
Apparently you didn't read what I said, bro. I said that the local papers said the EXACT same thing with each of those QBs I mentioned. You can't argue that. Cannizzarro crowned the past three QBs the heir apparent to Namath. YOU can say whatever you want about him. I was saying let's not anoint him first. Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way and makes you have to resort to trashing what the Dolphins have. (like I've noticed you do often ) All I'M saying is let's see what he does against a good team first. Henne beat your #1 defense last year, was I saying we found out QB? Sanchez laid an egg against a team Henne beat this year, am I saying we found a QB? If Nacho beats some quality teams (and I'm not counting the 1st game against the Pats, they were in disarray at the time) and I'll be the first to say he's a keeper. Until then, beating the worst defense in the league isn't something that raises my eyebrows. Keep your shirt on.
Apparantely you didn't read what *I* wrote. Who cares what the NY papers claimed? I never said he was a savior and you replied to MY post. You replied to my ascertation that the Jets have found a QB. Who on this forum wants to argue that claim? Anyone? No one will. Based on they way he ended last season with 2 playoff road wins as a rookie, and the way he has played this year, I can say that the Jets have "found a QB". I never called him a savior. He's proved he can play QB in this league. Your coaching staff and FO are still waiting on Henne. Yes? No? How about we let some of the other regulars here argue the case? Not sure you will find any takers.
I don't need anyone else to argue for me, Ed. I can do just fine myself. And you don't have to keep trashing Miami. None of us here - at least the rational ones - think they're going to do anything or that Henne is the answer, so continually harping on that is pretty useless. As for Sanchez. He's decent. That's all you're gunna get from me. So far your team has played only THREE teams in the upper half of the NFL in defense this year. The Dolphins, the Ravens and the Packers. He played a good game against the Dolphins, but against the Ravens and Packers was atrocious. Jay Fiedler played well against ****ty teams too. You keep missing my point. When he plays well consistently against superior teams, then - again - I'll be the first to admit he's the real deal.
When did I ever say he was great, good, or even decent? I never did. I basically said that he's shown enough to warrant the starting job for the Jets...i.e. they found their starting QB. End of story. sent from my EVO 4G
You are obviously not very good at math. and I never said that the jets were not good. Actually the opposite.
Arm Strength. Accuracy down the field. His knack for the comeback. Nacho can finish strong and get me on his side though...like I said.
Other than arm strength, you've lost me. Sanchez has connected on more deep passes. And Henne has shown more of a knack for the comeback? Really? sent from my EVO 4G
Let's do the time warp again ! Who doesn't think you need playmakers to win in the current version of the NFL???? The problem also is that the core rebuild hasn't gone as well as it should have. That is HUGELY frustrating seeing it was supposed to be a strength of this organization.
bottom line on the jet game yesterday, props to sanchez being able to take advantage of a second chance he got. that being said.Their is no excuse whatsoever for any defense to allow what happened yesterday. NONE!!! the jets offense deserves credit for that drive, but i attribute it to more being the texans attrocious pass d than the jets. you have a team that has 48 secs left, no timeouts, needs to drive 72 yds, and needs a td, and a td only. how the **** does a defense allow a team to pass to the sidelines that deep? that was as bad of a pass defense i have seen in my life. the jets will not face anymore pass defenses like that in the foreseeable future, and were very fortunate to be playing who they were during that time. again, nice drive, props, but utterly embarrassing for a defense to allow that under those circumstances no matter who the qb is in that spot. if Miami won like that, id be ecstatic, raving about it and feeling great, but i would still admit it was mad pathetic on the defense for that.
Henne has 5, 4th quarter comebacks. Sanchez is ALLOWED to throw deep passes. You get Dan Henning and then we will see how good Nacho looks.
I love you idiots. Guess what the ONLY goal in the National Football League is? Winning a superbowl. Yet your franchise is such a ****ing joke, you take solace in maybe "being better than miami" Congrats, your better than the dolphins record-wise. What does that mean? Do you get a trophy for it? The fact of the matter is this. At the end of the season, when the dust is settled, the jets and dolphins will have the same ammount of super bowl rings...... "0" Enjoy raising your banner in November. Ill have tissues when you are crying after your team chokes AGAIN.
Mark Sanchez has played in 25 games has a completion percentage of 54.4% for 4,750 yards, 27 TD's, 27 INT's for a 72.5 QB Rating. Chad Henne has played 26 games has a completion percentage of 62.0% for 5,085 yards, 21 TD's 25 INT's for a 76.9 QB Rating. THOSE are the numbers. If Chad Henne played in New York....he would be "Chad Henne...second coming....great young quarterback." If mark Sanchez played here...he would be "Developing...eratic young QB."
Please don't lump me in with DR. I never said the Jets were winning the super bowl. Quite the contrary, Sick. sent from my EVO 4G
I would say that Mark Sanchez's TEAM has improved as well. While Henne's stayed static with all the injuries. I can also make the case that Henne improved from last year as well.
Sorry if you took it that way, i was lumping darrelle revis and other dumb jet fans. You're good in my book bro
I would disagree about Henne. I thought he improved markedly from last year. He goes through his progressions now. His pocket feel is far better. He stares down his receivers much less. His touch has improved. I never thought he'd complete more than 60% of his passes and he's above that. His YPA has improved. Basically he's a far better QB than he was, but he's trapped in an ill-fitting offense with an OC that refuses to adapt it to fit his QB's skills.
I stand corrected. Statistically, Henne has improved: First 9 games of 2009: 144/249 (57.8%) 1512 yards 7 TD 7 INT QBR 73.2 First 9 games of 2010: 195/305 (63.9%) 2140 yards 9 TD 11 INT QBR 79.4 Sanchez, because he was so bad last year, has shown greater improvement: First 10 games of 2009: 138/265 (52.1%) 1791 yards 10 TD 16 INT QBR 61.1 First 10 games of 2010: 185/336 (55.1%) 2306 yards 15 TD 7 INT QBR 82.8 And I will be the first to admit that I only saw Henne play twice last year, so as Rafael pointed out, I wouldn't know about his improvements in the areas he mentioned. In any event, I apologize for getting snarky with my Henne remarks. I will be perfectly honest with you. Sanchez frustrated the hell out of me last year. He flat out lost games for the Jets. He'd show flashes of good, followed by a ton of suck. And even though he played decent in the playoffs, he was pretty lousy in the preseason and the opening game. But as the season has gone on, he is protecting the ball 1000 times better than last year, has cut his INT's in half (even though he should have more - I know, I know), and he has come up big at the end of games. He does a good job of reading defenses, runs the play action well, has incredible footwork in the pocket (as well as pocket awareness), hit some nice homerun passes, and has played tough. I am very happy with the way things are turning out with him, considering I was expecting him to be a bust. So after yesterday's thrilling win where he threw 2 perfect passes with no time outs, I let all the "Jets have a horseshoe up their a$$" and "Sanchez still sucks" threads get the better of me. I don't go to any of the Jets forums, because they BLOW. They post like a bunch of grade schoolers. Here I find a lot of intelligent football talk. But obviously it is not very Jet friendly. I should understand that and deal with it. So again - my apologies.
You don't have to apologize. Mark Sanchez is on his way to being a very good quarterback. Not elite (Only 4 elite QB's IMO) but definitely a difference maker and borderline pro bowler. Our guy on the other hand is being benched and is having near fist fights with our OC. I will admit it..I was wrong...I bought into Last year's struggles with Sanchez...but he is making me a believer with every game.
I'm not on the Sanchez wagon yet. Aside from us, he's beat up on a lot of bad defenses. He plays at PIT and at CHI later this year. If he's able to play well in those games, then I will say the kid is the real deal. But right now he's just a good QB, not great.
I don't think he's great either, but I don't think he needs to play lights out against two of the best defenses in the league to prove he can play in the league. What I want to see is him not be the reason they lose either of those games....but he doesn't need to win them single handedly. I think Sanchez is exactly what his QBR says he is. A middle of the pack QB. But I'd rather him be that after 26 games than after 50 games.
The key with Sanchez is that he's being given the opportunity to make plays. They're not generally treating him like a game manager. They did last year in the postseason but let's face it, he needed it then. It's time for Sparano and company to take off Henne's training wheels as well and they don't seem to be doing it. I liked what I saw before he got hurt. He really looked like he had had enough and was out to win a game with his arm.
I agree with you. If you are going to make an omelet, you have to break some eggs I know you guys know how bad Sanchez was at times: vs NO 14/27 138 0/3 vs Buf 10/28 119 0/5 (QBR 8.3 ) vs NE 8/21 136 1/4 vs ATL 18/32 226 1/3 And even this year vs Bal 10/21 74 0/0 vs GB 16/38 256 0/2 (but he really didn't play as bad as that stat line. He was better than Rodgers that game) But the bottom line is that the Jets had no one better last year. They traded up, picked Sanchez in the first round, and were prepared to live or die with him. And if it weren't for a series of very fortunate events, they would have missed the playoffs. Maybe the run the Jets went on last year gave Miami ownership unrealistic expectations? They looked and saw how bad Sanchez was for most of the year and thought, "hey - we can do the same thing. We'll just keep a leash on Henne, not let him lose games, and let our defense and running game win for us." Bu the Jets got so lucky with that approach. I guess it's a fine line between giving your team the best chance to win and developing a young QB at the same time. The Jets caught lightning in a bottle last year. I think it was the exception, rather than the norm. Most of the time you are going to lose games while your young QB learns and it *seems* (just my guess) that Miami wasn't willing to do that.
