Does Sparano survive if we finish 6-10 ?

depends whether or not he gets henning out of there

 

no.

Better question is, is his job safe at 8-8? 9-7? Cause if Henne can play, thats not out of the realm of possibility.

 

no but I doubt we will be 6-10, probably 9-7.

 

Honestly, no matter what we finish now Sparano, Henning, and Ireland should and most likely will be gone...

 

This is Sparano's third year as head coach and careful evaluation needs to be made.
1. Has Miami shown study progressive improvement under Sparno ?
As a rookie coach we went from 1-15 to 11-6 and into the playoffs. Then we went 7-9 and so far this season we are shadowing last year performance.
2. Does he motivate and discipline his players properly ?
When legendary coach Shula was here if a player of Brandon Marshalls calibur pulled any of the stunts he did in the last two weeks, Shula would bench him.
Also another thing bothers me Quintin Moses sacked Cutler late in the game and starts flexxing and showing off, hey Quintin look at the score board.
When Shula was here he even punished players for celebrating TDS.
3.Does Sparano grade well when it comes to the draft ?
Let's see we drafted Patrick White and Patrick Turner in the 2nd round, so where are they ? I am not saying Shula didn't make draft blunders
but Sparano has really dropped the ball in this category.

So after my evolution for what ever that counts for, I believe it is time for Miami to change directions and fire the entire staff except coach Nolan.
Nothing personal against Sparano who appears to be a quality and stand up guy but the bottom line is winning.

 

You need to add "Too Late" as an option on the poll.

 

1. We were a 1 win team. We over performed Soporanos first year with a gimmick offense to hide how bad our offense was. Out OL was shattered, our QB was efficient but we lived on a razors edge. Our record isn't the only indicator of progress. This TEAM is better.

2. Don't care about flexing, but I AM concerned about players buying I AM the team. That's my biggest knock right now.

3. Soprano doesn't draft. Ireland does. And that's beside the point because we HAVE drafted well whether people like to admit it here or not. Misi, Smith, Davis are all starters. Hartlinen is ok, Odrick got hurt, can't blame them for that, by he earned the starting job, Jake Fricking Long. We are doing well in the draft.

I still like Sporano. I didn't think that this would be a decking year for him, I'm patient and I like what he's doing here. Scrapping the coaching staff with such a talented young group of players is dangerous.

That said this team is imploding, and I'm REALLY questioning some of the moves...
-Henning scares me. I don't think it's Henne, I really thinks it's Henning. It sucks because sometimes he gameplans really well (jets game) but he follows it up with really questionable calls...and the biggest sin...he abandoned our run game. Cardinal rule right there...not good.

- should NOT have gotten rid of Ginn. As evidenced by ST. He was a bust taken where he wad, but he was still a world class athlete that needed to be accounted for. It's been Soooo long since we had a decnt returner...can't believe we gave him away.

- should have never benched Henne

If we finish with 9 wins I'm all on board with Sporano granted he gets us a new OC. If we finish sub .500 I'm OK with letting him go...but I personally think he's what we need. And with the proper staff and an adequate amount of time he can take us to the promised land.

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I think he's safe if we're 8-8. I think it's a coin flip if we're 7-9 again, but I think there's at best a 20% chance he survives if we're 6-10 (and that would only be because of injuries). Even though he benched Henne, he better hope he gets healthy and manages to save his job.

 

Going into the season. The owner predicted the Dolphins would make the Super Bowl. Now the question is! Will Sparano be fired if the Dolphins go 6-10? A better question of the owner would be. How can you even think of keeping a coach who has seen his team get worse, not better, from year one to year three? Dave Wannstedt was fired for this same reason. His teams never got better. Hopefully Ross will not take injuries into a factor when deciding if he should retain Sparano. While the team now has several injured players. The team was only playing medicre football before the injury bug hit the team. Like him or not. Personally I have no problem with Sparano, the man. I just don't think he has what it takes to lead this team in the future. His area of expertise is suppose to be the offensive line. The Dolphins after three years under Sparano have one of the worst offensive lines in all the NFL. He is not getting the job done and it is time Ross sees this and he takes the appropriate action.

 

To end up 6-10 means we go 1-5 the rest of the way (1-6 if you include the embarrassment last Thursday night), right?

No way he survives that kind of a collapse, injuries or not.

JMHO.

EDIT: Keep in mind...Parcells already has one foot out the door, and Ross didn't hire this FO and coaching staff.

 

It wont bother me if Sparano gets one more year. Ireland should be safe. He has drafted well, IMO. We have some talent on the team now, just not enough. More than I would have expected in 3 short years...........unless you are watching a game, then it seems like forever.
Comparing Irelands drafts to Shula's is crazy..... Shula's last years were awful drafts. We need one or two more STUDS on the OL, and a new OC. If we DO get a new OC....it will take some time to get THAT system going, so ............right now........I am not so sure about NEXT year either. I am going to stop before I start to cry.

 

there is zero percent chance that marshall isnt on our team next season.... we just paid him a huge contract and it wouldnt make sense financially or for the team.

 

I initially thought yes to this question but this is a good point. 6-10 means a pretty bad late season collapse. I'm not sure if he hangs on taking that into consideration.

 

If we finish 6-10??? I don't think so. I dont think you can regress that much in 3 years, and retain your job. 6-10 in year 3 of a rebuild, when we were 11-5, and 9-7 the years before I don't think will cut it for Ross. Especially with some big names looming out there as well. Plus 6-10 also means this team would really collapse in the late stages of the year, which, with injuries mounting could be possible.

 

Yes, but we won't be worse than 8-8, so he stays - especially if Henne plays soon.

 

Bring on the Chucky Regime baby!

 

If our line remains decimated, I really don't want Henne playing any time soon unless we wan't our very own Matt Stafford.

 

I agree with the many on here that say that no Sparano does not survive a 6-10 finish after a 5-4 start...but that outcome is highly unlikely.

 

Even with losing the top two quarterbacks?

I think it is highly unlikely that he loses his job even if they lose all of their next games.

 

i have to think the plum job right now for a head coach is either cincy or carolina, whoever bags #1 draft pick. a coach's success largely hinges on finding a QB and if you can start your coaching tenure by drafting andrew luck you're 70% of the way there so if cowher is thinking about reentering i think he's rooting for carolina to get that number 1. if they do i'm pretty sure cowher takes that job. which leaves gruden for us but he will never keep nolan around since he prefers the 4-3 and that would mean starting a new 3 to 5 year rebuilding project as we get rid of the psarano guys and replace them with the gruden guys

 

I do not think it is sympathy, I think it is more realism. How many coaches could lead their team to victories when they are starting their third quarterbacks?

I do not know if Ross is the type of person who wants to start his own regime. Does he want the pressure of starting over?

 

Chad Henne isn't lost for the whole year, he might even play this week. Coaches rarely survive a dramatic late season skid unharmed, especially ones in Tony Sparano's tenuous position. Guys in their first years go on the hot seat when they have dramatic late season skids. Guys in their second or third years may be fired altogether. Stephen Ross did not hire him. Bill Parcells is gone. The team will have been 13-19 since Stephen Ross took over ownership of the team. Two years in a row they will have wasted Ross' money on big name free agents without any results to show for it (Gibril Wilson & Jake Grove, then Karlos Dansby and Brandon Marshall). You don't finish a season 1-6 and get away with it.

But, that's not happening. My best guess is Miami still goes 9-7, with upside potential for 10-6.

 

You are an optimist, I give you that.

I saw nothing on Thursday that leads me to believe this team can win 4 more games, even with Henne. If we can't pass protect, what difference would he make? Henne would likely be worse under the same pressure that Thiggy was under Thursday night.

I see Cleveland and Detroit as the two most likely wins. Even Buffallo at this point is a toss up. 7-9 doesn't get it done for this regime, I don't think.

 

Frankly, unless Sparano agrees to getting rid of Henning, Sparano will follow the old guy out the door.

 

We all see things differently. Personally, I say that more than 50% of the pressure that Tyler Thigpen felt on Thursday was his fault. Either it was ghost pressure (acting pressured while nobody is there), or he didn't correctly anticipate the blitz, he didn't make the right calls at the line as far as protections went, or he had bad pocket fundamentals as far as helping your offensive line keep people off you. He kept dropping further and further back off the snap, making things easier for a defensive line especially one that was ahead in the score and starting to pin their ears back. He'd roll out to the side immediately, which destroys the blocking angles that the tackles had set up. And of course there were the poor shotgun snaps which were in the playbook to begin with because it was Tyler Thigpen, and wouldn't be in the playbook with Chad Henne. Those helped to create pressure and panic situations.

There's a chemistry between a QB and an OL in pass protection, just like there's a chemistry between a RB and an OL in the ground game. Ricky Williams always used to say he felt that a RB makes an OL better. It's also true that a QB makes an OL better in pass pro. Tyler Thigpen had about the worst pocket management in that Thursday game that I've seen in Miami since...probably since John Beck.

The changes in the OL, with Incognito simply shifting over to Center, and Jake Long having a bum shoulder, didn't make it go from being one of the very best pass protecting units in football, to absolutely putrid. Not alone. John Jerry didn't go from good pass protector to awful. Vernon Carey didn't go from decent pass protector to awful. A quarterback is responsible for about half of the results of your pass protection either through his calls and identifications at the line, his pocket management and mechanics, and his making quick and timely reads. Tyler Thigpen wasn't holding up his end of the bargain on Thursday night and I think it showed you just how much Chad Henne does do for the offense.

I see Oakland, Cleveland, Detroit and Buffalo as all likely wins, but we could and maybe should drop one of them because of our consistency issues. I do still strongly believe we will upset either the Jets or the Patriots...most likely the Patriots.

 

I do believe that this team can finish 9-7. The key is Henne returning and the OL. I do believe that we went from one of the best run blocking OLs in the league to an average one when Grove was injured so certain positions can be key. I think that losing Long would be one of those key position losses.

 

I would love to see Henning go, but I don't know what kind of leader Ross is going to be yet. Does he buy into the team failed because they all got injured, or it's all the coaches fault? No one really knows what he's going to do because he hasn't said anything yet.

 

I think it is way to early to count wins and losses, but I also suspect that Patriots game will be a play for blood as it were as Belicheck will desire to show his Patriots Team is still the Alpha Predator in the AFC East and there is nothing that Parcells can setup that his team cannot kick down.

my .02 on that one

 

We didn't just lose Jake Grove though. We lost Jake Grove, Justin Smiley, Donald Thomas and Nate Garner. We replaced the entire interior of the OL which was comprised of four guys that could all get out to the second level, with four guys that CANNOT get to the second level. That's about as dramatic a shift in an OL's character as you can make in one year, and it's fitting that we are now a dramatically worse run blocking team, and a dramatically better pass blocking unit.

We dismissed 3,028 snaps worth of offensive linemen this off season. That's not "one guy". That's over half of your OL snaps.

 

We were 11-5,then 7-9 not 9-7

 

Their choice. They need to live with the results.

 

to me this is the theme of the 2010 season. If our offensive line could run block I think we would be having a Jets type of season. I really would like to know what caused them to make the switch not just in players but types of players