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sparano friday morning presser

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by adamprez2003, Nov 19, 2010.

  1. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    On how frustrating it in having a play of at least negative 9 yards attached to the first four of his possessions in the first half yesterday:
    "It's frustrating, I'm glad you said that. At least it tells me somebody's watching the game…but to be honest with you, that really put us behind the chains and took us a little bit out of a game plan in that unfortunately some of those plays were run plays (you know) in other words--we had a reverse that we had called which if executed..if the handoff was executed properly I think the thing is going to look like it did against Cincinnati. (I mean) we had Julius Peppers knocked down, he's got inside of Ronnie (Brown)…Ronnie (Brown) does a good job and we have the edge and that ends up being a big minus play. (You know) we run a boss play out there on a first down play which we get a holding penalty on (you know). Now you're in a 20 situation, so we had about three of those situations where (you know) early on those were the negative plays (I mean) the bottom line is in the first eleven plays we ran the ball 5 times and we had minus 8 yards. So, that's not very good and (you know) we got to do a better job of that. Everybody wants to know why you didn't run the football…but, we had 23 plays in the first half of the football game yesterday--and the last four of those 23 plays we were in a two-minute drive (you know) just there at the end where we got the ball back with about a minute and forty seconds left…so those were four passes. But, I think part of it is the minus plays within the run game and the minus plays that put us behind the chains. (You know) we had a couple of penalties yesterday after plays made that put us behind, so. You can't overcome that particularly with a young quarterback…I think it's really hard to overcome the minuses."

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-tony-sparano-dolphins-bears-comments,0,1893079.story


    and there you have it. we start out with 5 runs out of the 11 first plays and completely shoot ourselves in the foot and this forces us out of running the ball the rest of the game
     
  2. AbideN703

    AbideN703 Yes, I'd hit it

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    What?!

    6-0 at halftime and you can't run the ball in the 3rd quarter? It's total bull****
     
  3. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Didn't the Bears get the ball after halftime and put another FG on the board?
     
  4. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    They should have ran the ball more than they did, but acting like it was a huge sin is silly given the state of the OL and the runningbacks in general this year.
     
  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    especially last night. every single one of our offensive linemen got manhandled from jake to carey to jerry to everyone. there is simply nothing you can do to overcome that
     
  6. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    I agree...just because they went dumb with penalties and a fumble doesn't mean ditch it totally. Thiggy was getting sacked everywhere, and that didn't stop them from passing.
     
  7. Gitrdone

    Gitrdone New Member

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    I mean thats funny, cause Ronnie gained positive yardage every touch he had. Not my fault our OC ran a reverse that totally and utterly failed. Why not just hand it off to Ronnie up the gut instead of getting all cute at the beginning of the game? When i mention running the ball more, i mean running it with Ricky or Ronnie more, not the QB scrambling, not a reverse, not an end around. You don't need to be cute to run the ball.
     
  8. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    The end around would have worked if Hartline got the handoff. It's not Henning's fault (in that instance) that Thigpen failed to execute.
     
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  9. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    the reverse would have gained twenty yards if the hand off was executed. the entire sideline was open. you cant possibly argue that was a bad call
     
  10. Gitrdone

    Gitrdone New Member

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    No but its his fault for calling the play, it's a high risk play with a QB not use to running things. The guy didn't get reps till this week. A handoff to the running back would have had a lesser failure rate. And at worst lost us 3 yards. No need to get cute with the football at the beginning of the game.
     
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  11. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    "Tony, are you willing to concede that you are totally responsible for the state we now find this team in? That you set this in motion when you got nervous about your job and wavered on continuing to develop Chad Henne? Would you now agree with everyone on the planet except maybe 2 guys on the Phins.com, that you totally exposed yourself and this regime as nothing but a lot of hype?"

    Sparano: "Well from a QB standpoint, I like our guys"
     
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  12. Gitrdone

    Gitrdone New Member

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    It was a bad call, you have a QB who just started getting reps with the starters in a short week. You need to take as much of the risk of error out as you can. And Henning didn't, the call should have waited till later in the game. When maybe Thiggy has his bearings.
     
  13. padre31

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    "Tony, why did you call for Brandon Marshall to pick up two dummy penalties"?

    "As a follow, up, what part of the playbook includes Marshall drops ball"?
     
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  14. Da 'Fins

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    We should have run the wildcat more early; and we could still have run the ball down 9-0. The other issue is just a lack of imaginativeness in the play calling. It's base this and base that and not a lot of wrinkles that could have been there early on. lack of rollouts, no effective screens (why is Miami, regardless of coordinator, perennially so bad at running screens?), etc. that would have potentially made a difference.

    I still think Henning has a great deal of blame on his shoulders in spite of the clear handicaps we had - that's where the OC needs to adjust, not just the players! And, while Sparano may not want to hang a coaching friend out to dry in the press, he seems a bit too defensive of the play calling, imho. I know it's not all on Henning but this is the NFL and you have to call the plays that will be effective for what you have on the field - and he's not done that very will this year at all.
     
  15. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    it was a handoff. we're not asking him to throw the ball in between two defenders just hand the ball off. whats high risk about handing a ball off?
     
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  16. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    how complicated can you get with a 3rd string QB who gets zero reps during the season? 3rd string QB means shortened playbook. I agree about the wildcat though. Of course people would have been complaining if we ran it and it didnt work as they were early this season. only when it works is it a good play. when it doesnt its hennings fault
     
  17. padre31

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    I think the oline being mauled was something they never considered as a possibility and that is why there were less rollouts and waggles and naked bootlegs.
     
  18. Gitrdone

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    Maybe because he is handing it to a player who barely receives them? It's not like he had a ton of reps on the play, he had two days of reps with the starters. It's a few more steps to the WR then it is to a RB for a handoff. I just feel the cute plays shouldn't have been called untill Thiggy was more comfortable. Could have ran Ronnie up the gut for 3 yards, would have been way better. If we cant run basic run plays, why on earth do they think we could run a reverse?
     
  19. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    "Jeff, why did you call Dez's mom a whore and give up two high picks for a guy that should be carrying Dez's pads?'

    Ireland: "Hey is that a rabbit?
     
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  20. padre31

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    "Coach Sparano, were you happy or sad when Marshall popped a hamstring..?"
     
  21. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    :lol: dont leave me in suspense. was it a rabbit?
     
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  22. Gitrdone

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    I figured right when that happened, that Sparano would have said to the offense. "Marshall is out, we now have to man up and shove the ball down their throats with a power run game." Mix a few passes in with that. Run it right at them for 1-3 yards maybe more or less per rush. Going back to the last couple years, power football.
     
  23. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i thought our only chance to win was with the cute plays to be honest. i was surprised we didnt call more but like you said with only two days practice we probably couldnt get the timing down with them. agree to disagree on the handoff
     
  24. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    perhaps. hope not. thats bad planning if it were so
     
  25. Gitrdone

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    I just figured we needed to get more basic, it's not like the Bears were running away with the game, our D kept us in it. If lining up and running right at them is what we needed to do for a chance, then by all means make it basic. We got a tough football team, i think we could have moved the ball.
     
  26. StLouisFinFan

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    Asking a professional QB to make a hand off to a WR is not high risk. They just didn't execute. It was not a bad call at all. Not running in the second half? That I have an issue with.
     
  27. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Dez would have put on the aqua and orange and morphed into a underachiever....like the rest that come here....

    Marshall hasnt dropped a ball in 15 years, the guy comes to Miami and cant even catch a cold....
     
  28. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Sparano: "Well I had mixed emotions, at first I was happy cuz I looked over and Penny had a tear in his eye and I could see just how close the team had become......then I was sad. I realized that Ireland is looking like an IDIOT for going after Marshall and not taking Bryant and if he gets canned, you can bet my *** is gone too"
     
  29. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    it was a stacked box all night long. they dared us to throw. the only way we could run is if we could have gotten them out of the box.
     
  30. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Then you haven't seen any Dallas Cowboy games this year......they have been out of it from the beginning and Bryant is out there leaving it on the field and balling his *** off every week.

    He didn't come with half the baggage Marshall has...... Bryant is a football player
     
  31. Gitrdone

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    The play wasn't really needed. Could have just ran up the gut, something we use to be able to do. Henning likes to run plays that if they fail, they hurt us huge. But if they work its a good gain. Problem is i think he has lost the players, our woes on offense have seemed to make them not believe in his ability. Or it could be the 3rd and long playactions when we have handed the ball off 6-10 times total in 4 quarters.
     
  32. padre31

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    What people are missing:

    The only starting Olinemen who finished the game were they started it was John Jerry.

    the other 4 did not finish the game, or were playing out of position, how were they going to run the ball with a lineup that maybe starts a preseason game..and that is a maybe...
     
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  33. Gitrdone

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    Yup, Dez wants to be great, he also wants to prove everyone wrong.
     
  34. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    Proctor went down relatively early-on. It would have been a recipe for disaster had Henning went to the wildcat with Incognito struggling out of the shotgun. A poor snap in the wildcat throws the entire rhythm of the play off - and that's the best case scenario. Worst case? You're looking at a turnover.
     
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  35. Gitrdone

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    No what people are missing, is running the football is easier to block for then the pass is. Line up, put a helmet on the guy across from you and push. You don't need cute reverse, or end around plays to get it done. It's the most basic form of football. It takes toughness and determination. All those players on the oline have run blocked a ton before, and pretty much every lineman will say he likes run blocking over pass blocking. You ask how we were going to run the ball with that lineup, well how were we supposed to pass? Oh wait we couldn't.
     
  36. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    yeah he wouldve been a much better decoy than marshall
     
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  37. padre31

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    Wow, I'm just pissed at Marshall, you flat out disowned him..:D

    I can't quibble with Irish's move, Odrick breaking his foot and shin was not forseeable.

    I'll warm back up to ***** when he stops putting himself over the team, I wanted him here, I'll stick by him but change his nickname until he proves otherwise.

    He did make his QAM appearance just now, did not really say much.
     
  38. MarinePhinFan

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    I agree. That play is not high risk in the least. And it could have been hartline's fault for all we know. Maybe he cut his route a little short?

    Anyhow, once again I am a Henne believer, but I also think it's really unfair to judge Thigpen on last nights game. He never had a chance with the play of everyone else.
     
  39. adamprez2003

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    excellent point. hadnt thought of that
     
  40. adamprez2003

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    yeah i agree. i am happy with henne's progress. i wish it was a bit faster but the important thing is he's getting better. and although it was a horrible game, you cant really get a good read on thiggy with that kind of offensive lien,
     

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