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Reality of finding backup Qb's in mid November

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Nov 16, 2010.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2010&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=10

    That is the list of majority of Qb's available as Free Agents.

    It is bleak, really bleak.

    A backup, this late in the season, ideally has starting experience in the NFL, most of those players listed have little to none:

    Ramsey: 24 starts in his career
    Jemarcus Russel: 25 starts in his career

    If the UFL season were over:

    Josh McCown:31 starts
    Daunte Culpepper:101 starts
    Tim Rattay: 18 starts
    Jeff Garcia: 112 starts

    Of the five Qb's they looked at:

    Ramsey, Russell, Grady, Brandstater, St Clair, Ramsey had the second most starts, and more than likely had the most knowledge of NFL passing offenses even though Russell has more starting experience, this is a sad fact of life in midseason Qb signings you normally want a guy with upside as a backup Qb but with 2 Qb's down Ireland no longer has that luxury.
     
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  2. Tepop84

    Tepop84 Banned

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    Honestly, if Thigpen goes down, the season is over. It really doesn't matter who the backup is.
     
  3. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, not neccessarily, we have 10 days after this game and we move into the softer portion of the schedule, and the UFL season will be over so those 4 Qb's will be on the market and two have playoff experience, not sure about Rattay or McCown.

    The CT team's season just ended so McCown will be on the market, and the Title game is in late November so in December all 4 Qb's will be on the market, so two games and we can bid on them.
     
  4. Tepop84

    Tepop84 Banned

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    Daunte threw like 9tds and 11 interceptions this year in the UFL (roughly, don't care enough to look it up). Do they even allow blitzing this year. If the dolphins win thursday and thigpen goes down, the dolphins probably need to go 5-1 down the stretch to make the playoffs and I doubt they are going to do it with a qb who wasn't in the nfl most of the year.
     
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    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Would not surprise me if one of the UFL Qb's showed up especially McCown as he was in camp in 08, and he played for more or less our farm team in the UFL the Hartford Colonials.

    As for going 5-1, Bro, all you can do is play the games with the best guys you can field, if that means fishing the UFL or making do with Ramsey, that is what has to happen.

    That is why Ramsey is here, he was the best of a very mediocre bunch of Qb's on the market, the UFL has mopped up the guys who normally would get a look, once that season is over there will be more talent on the market.
     
  6. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    I wanted to see them bring in that 6'5" arena league player they took a look see at over the summer...What's his name?
     
  7. padre31

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    iirc, Tom Grady and Walter Dublin were looked at from the AFL.

    And good luck finding UFL stats, that site is not conducive to easily finding who is the leading passer or receiver in that league.
     
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    Well, at least if Brandstater had to come in, no one would have any real game film on him to prepare...... so that's a positive right? :lol:
     
  9. ToddsPhins

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    I still have a Pat White jersey, so that could be a beneficial option too. :shifty:
     
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  10. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Brandstater is a default to their norm TP, they want a pocket passing Qb..period..tall guy, read the field, make a throw.

    Tyler Thigpen is going to give Sparano ulcers...break pocket, run towards line of scrimmage, ball fake, ball fake, throw 35 yds downfield to Beast who is double covered.

    Sparano considers that tossing a bottle of whiskey and the keys to the mini van to a teenager type of offense..:chuckle:

    I do not think the search for backup Qb's is over tbh with you TP, McCown may wind up in Miami now that the UFL season is over.

    Though Culpepper is intriguing, tall pocket passing Qb with a good arm, that sounds like their cup o' tea.
     
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  11. Coral Reefer

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    I didn't even know the UFL was really playing.
    Must be a huge success! :lol:

    As for who we may bring in.

    Don't want any part of Culpepper.

    If you want vet leadership Garcia would be the best of the bunch.
    McCown second.

    Neither exciting.
     
  12. Coral Reefer

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    I was waiting for this!
    I know you're kidding though so I'm still waiting with great anxiousness for the first serious post. Either that or a call for Marcus Vick. :lol:
     
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    is kurt warner regretting his decision to retire yet?
     
  14. padre31

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    CR, Pat Ramsey hasn't started a game in 5 yrs, are you sure you want him to be the #2 Qb?
     
  15. Coral Reefer

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    Of course not!

    But really there are no good scenarios when talking being down to a 4th QB is there?
    It's not like were choosing Pat Ramsey to be our QB, were talking plan Z here.

    Ramsey will be a disaster.
    Who else is there though?

    I only see Garcia and McCown as upgrades to him and they aren't exactly players that inspire thoughts of playoff runs.
    Garcia's experience would be the best option for us IMO in this scenario.

    The best scenario is for Henne to be able to come back so we've got 2 options that are prepared and ready.
     
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    IMO our season is pretty much over. We are one game behind the Steelers for the 2nd wild card spot and they beat us (as some of you may know). SO, we are really 2 games behind them with 7 to go. We are not going to catch them. IMO our only hope is if the Jets implode.
     
  17. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Now THAT would be the guy I would want to sign as a backup if we could.

    Experience
    Leadership
    Championships

    Warner could very well indeed elevate the level of our team's game.

    But alas....wishful thinking.
     
  18. padre31

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    Garcia has calf issues in Iowa and did not play very much, McCown is interesting as he played for the CT franchise that has fmr Dolphins players and Sparano's old NFL boss in Cleveland Chris Palmer and his son was their Dline coach, their offense is very similar to ours.

    So he would make sense, tons of experience and interconnectedness with the Dolphins, but I like Culpepper a bit more as he just has better tools, but either one is an upgrade over Ramsey.

    Tim Rattay, who I liked in SF, is also a decent option.

    Agreed on Chad Henne, of all the options even coming back not fully healthy is still a better option.
     
  19. NJFINSFAN1

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    personally, I think in 11 days you will see

    Starter- Henne
    Backup- Thigpen
    3rd string- Ramsey
     
  20. padre31

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    Well, the UFL is screwing the pooch:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nforce-150000-transfer-fee-after-season-ends/

    Basically the NFLers who signed in the UFL to rehab or to maybe fill some holes on teams after their season ends around thanksgiving, just got a kick in the crotch with the UFL deciding that their contracts now run through February, which means if a player has a shot at latching onto a NFL team that team has to pay the UFL 150k for the privilege.

    Which means very very few UFLers, unless a team is in Extremis, will be signed by the NFL as there will be only 7 games less, maybe 6, so the fee will be as much as a Vet minimum prorated salary, the NFL club would have to pay twice the amount they would pay a street FA.
     
  21. ToddsPhins

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    LMAO @ the Marcus Vick comment. Crap, I didn't even think of that one. :lol:

    Ummmm, I actually do have a Pat White jersey........ although the name plate is mysteriously missing. :shifty: I bought it just b/c I liked him in college and there was no Henne, Vontae, or Wake jersey at the time. I'm hoping we draft a burner at WR who takes #6 so I can wear it with a little more pride!!
     
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