Chad Henne, 768 career passing attempts in Miami 476 completions Tyler Thigpen 446 career passing attempts and 242 completions only 10 completions while in Miami. Basically, we are heading into the Bears game with a Qb who has completed 10 passes and thrown 3 Td's and 3 int's for the Dolphins in two seasons. Let's keep some perspective on what the coaching staff has seen from Thigpen, which is not a whole lot, he has made it into 3 games while in Miami so maybe some reasonable expectations are in order? Now granted, Thiggy does flash down the field and he does have a quick release and good feet, but those are just tools, not results. Those are some good reasons why Chad Henne's status is being kept under wraps, if Thigpen flames out, they have to keep Henne active or the only other option is Patrick Ramsey...say that out loud "we will make a playoff run with Patrick Ramsey"? Er, not likely.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/08/27/a-case-for-tyler-thigpen/ Well, Lacanfora liked him in 09, but the asking price was too high, he does make a solid case for him but still..10 completions fellas, and I like Thiggy (and Penny and Henne, I like Henne enough to want him to do better rather than just the "he sux") so let's temper things a bit.
So does Mort and Schef...u see that at the half of yesterdays game....? For those who didnt, basically they said that Thiggy is the best QB Miami has on the roster...
From listening to the various interviews the last couple of days , the team/players like his arm , think he is throwing well in practise and the coaches feel he has good field vision when he extends a play. That is or can be a key imo , it is not overly beneficial to just extend a play by scrambling , but to be able to see how passing lanes have been created by this and then execute is. Thigpen also stated he and Marshall have a good relationship , going back to KC/Denver. Think he will make it a priority to get him the ball. Listening to Marino on his show with Joe Rose , he expressed bewilderment that Miami can't or doesn't get Marshall the ball. Have to know that wouldn't be the case with 13 taking snaps .
Yeah I caught that one, toss Jaworski into that mix as well. I'm waiting to hear what Salisbury has to say about him, he has no reason to toe the corporate line so imo he will shoot straight with what he sees. I'm loving this thursday night game, double upped Dolphins games..
Thigpen could absolutely blow up here with our cast of characters. And yes, I realize that the above statement can be taken to be good or bad.
I just want to see wins, I dont care who is at the helm....the only thing I can do is back whomever is taking the ball from under the center's behind....I owe nothing to Henne, Pennigton, and Thigpen..yes it would be nice to find the guy obviously, but I am not letting my personal feelings for any one dude affect my judgement...they all have different qualites that I admire....in Thigpen I love the organized chaos he seems to have...the guy runs around, which draws LB's to commit, which should open up the middle....Fasano should have another day thursday...
Don't worry, I'm sure this Dolphin's fanbase is ready to knee jerk one way or the other He'll be called either Marino, or Marilyn Monroe by someone within the next week I'm willing to bet.
Strategically, the Bears, like the dolphins, prepared for this game last Friday and Saturday, that is when they game planned, but then the Qb was Pennington. They are prepared to defend pocket passing statues, not a gambling scrambler. Beast was working Thiggy on the sidelines, that was funny to watch, Beast was like "you know I'm open right"? Beast will have a big role as I expect a large amount of sideline routes, like hooks and curls and outs to minimize the risk of a Thiggy sail ball. But that also means Beast can use the sideline to shield him from defenders and high point passes.
Yes. I think he is talented enough to play better than any starting QB we've had this year or last. I also think he is undisciplined (and not accurate) enough to where it wouldn't surprise me if he faltered worse than any QB we've had the past 2 years.
Yep, I think one thing people are missing is all 3 Qb's had different strengths and virtues that could be cheered for, Henne had the big arm, Penny was accurate, Thigpen has a sort of frantic, arena league aspect to his game. None of them had any reason to truly dislike them, unlike say Fedler or Culpepper or Feeley or even Pat White, had when they were in Miami. Better quality Qb's maybe the reason? Speaking of which, is Byron Leftwich signed anywhere?
Hey now, 6'5 285 Russell would be hillarious in home White unis, it would look like a Right Guard is playing Qb...
Yeah he's talented and scary all at the same time..... if this staff has any sense at all they'll just let him go out there and do his thing. What do they really have to lose? I think he matches up well with Marshall and he might also give the running game a boost. Whatever happens, he'll be interesting to watch...lol
In 2008, Thigpen had a 5.8 AY/A. If you take out his first three starts, he finished the year with an AY/A of 6.7. That doesn't include his rushing yards. Henne was at 5.5 last year and 6.0 this year, on a much better offensive team. I think Thigpen is going to really improve this offense.
yea, but his adjusted yards per attempt is good. His first three career starts were pretty awful, which skew his numbers way down. He was 33-79 with 4 picks and 1 td. Chalk it up to nerves or whatever. After his three games he greatly improved. The rest of 2008, he was 197-341 with 17 passing tds, 3 rushing tds, and 1 receiving td, with only 8 interceptions.
yeah, i mean why does it seem like there is pressure here to take a measured, scholarly approach? its silly. im excited about thigpen. i have caught the bug. im going to ride it out. if he ends up sucking, so be it we havent had a lot to cheer about or be optimistic about this season.
One thing that I always liked about Thigpen was how he came into an inaugural football program up here at CCU and made the program competitive and even dominant right from the start. There were no scenes out of Necessary Roughness in that fledgling program, and that was because of TT.
yeah good points with several posters. i agree with jetssuck when he says no matter what the final score is it should at least be interesting. Thigpen is exciting to watch. Much more so than Pennington or Henne. But thats a double edged sword. I know with Pennington and Henne I dont really fear interceptions. I know Henne threw alot so far but they came in bunches. Generally Henne either throws it away or completes it. With Thigpen I actually get excited every time he throws. Its partly because he attacks downfield but also partly because I'm worried about a pick being thrown. At the end of the day I think Padre is right. He's a 3rd string QB on Miami who was a 3rd string QB in Kansas City. He was 3rd string behind Cassell, Croyle, Henne and Pennington. Not exactly one Peyton Manning in that bunch. Still, you never know. He's been kept around because of potential so maybe now is the time when it all comes together for him the way it did for Romo, Rodgers or even Delhomme for a couple of years way back when. Still we have to remember that 25% of our starters are either banged up or out for this next game and we have two hurt offensive linemen. We should lose by all accounts. But hey its football and we're Miami and we've won plenty of games we should have lost. Hell, AJ Feeley beat Tom Brady once lol
Henne's interception percentage this year is 3.6%. Thigpen's career interception percentage is 3.6%. When he was actually a starter in KC, it was 2.9%, and that was because he threw 4 picks in his first 3 games, and only 8 in his last 8. He has 4 picks in 26 attempts in mop up roles.
This will be the first time he'll prepare/gameplan with the first team offense. Crossing my fingers and hoping for the best at this point. Perhaps preparation this time around should make a difference in his approach.
Well, then again, Team Politics have much to do with who has chances at the Qb postion Adamp, for all of the blather about "a Qb competition" in training camp, we all know that high draft pick is going to play no matter what else happens. Thiggy has made plays when given a shot, but in Miami, that means a whopping 10 completed passes, so maybe folks should wait a bit before getting TO excited about Thiggy.
I think Dan was implying it may not be the ability to get him the ball , but the intention of the staff. I also feel he would have gotten him the ball regardless of what the coaches had implemented for the game plan. Of course he was Dan the Man , so he didn't really have to worry over minute concerns like being benched or reprimanded !
Eegads, a "Should we have kept pat white" thread would be nuclear waste toxic D22, can you imagine? Some ways, if we have to rely on the Wildcat more, I wouldn't mind having him, but the drop back and pass thing...not so much. White could have run the veer and option and wishbone or even the triple option. Good flexibility from the WC.
TT can really provide some unique wrinkles imo. Not sure how many this week , due to short prep time , but confident if he starts further into the season we will have some very different looks and formations. He could take Ricky's spot and have the option to continue at full speed with a run or read any open receivers and hit them instride , or pull up and pull the trigger on a shorter/intermediate route. With his ability to throw on the run , I can see some situations where we can utilize wildcat plays in a fashion we have not yet done. Fresh wrinkles Padre Wally BTW , now that your season has ended with a first round playoff loss , do you think you can stop being a part time poster? Get with the program bud !
well the good thing about thigpen's situation is he's in a no lose situation. if he does well thursday the fans will want him to be the starter and if he loses it will all be dan henning's fault
Not going to happen, Thigpen is too valuable to put in that situation, we may see Ronnie B throw from the WC Thiggy will be off of the field when the WC is run. White in that mix would have been nice, but it is what it is, Ryan Perriloux's season is over in the UFL if we want that dimension. The UFL season winding down, with fmr Dolphins players presence on the CT Colonnials on that roster do not be surprised if we see 2 or 3 UFLers wind up in Miami. For some reason Daunte Culpepper's name is sticking in my head, why, do not know. Thanks bud, BC is well positioned for hosting the Grey Cup in 2011, unlike the Eskimos were this season, which is why Richie Hall is unemployed now. Planning on doing a write up on CFL to NFL prospects, but suspect it will be a much shorter list than it was in 09. Phil Hunt is going to command big money, well relatively big money, he is a good prospect.
Chad Henne won that game last sunday 23rd, that makes him 6 and 4 in my book against the toughest schedule in the league.
You're too much to be taken seriously anymore 1 week it's Penny but the Elmer's glue couldn't keep his shoulder together...now Thiggy is the answer...oh god. I bet you thought Pat White was the answer last year too.
