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  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    YouTube - miami dolphins -Chad Pennington


    Also listening in to Volin's and LaVicka's podcast and they were saying Pennington's arm looks the same as it did in 08, and neither one is very homerish.

    Also some surprisingly positive words about Al Harris.

    ESPN760.com dolphins weekly podcast
     
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  2. Robert Horry

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    Great.

    This means we will complete around 5% of 3rd and +7 situations.
     
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  3. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Your view Beast and Hartline and a developed Bess won't change that number?
     
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  4. SRM

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    Man.. that 2008 season was a great one.

    What did they have to say about Al Harris?
     
  5. padre31

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    The talked to a fellow reporter who asked Atari Bigby and Charles Woodson about Harris and both stated he still could play, Harris rehabed in Green Bay so they would have some basis for saying that other than loyalty to a friend.
     
  6. Robert Horry

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    No.

    Our wideouts run the worst routes I have ever seen designed on a professional level.

    Its barely high school worthy.
     
  7. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Do you suppose the routes could have been designed that way to make Henne's reads simpler?
     
  8. Robert Horry

    Robert Horry New Member

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    No thats not it at all.

    Henne was throwing post flags, 20 yard daggers and double moves in college and somewhat last year.

    This offense is "Touchdown-Checkdown" aka ******ed.
     
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  9. padre31

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    Eh, we'll see, I suspect some things such as Reed saying Dolphins Wr's did not use double moves, let's see what they do with Pennington in the game.
     
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  10. Robert Horry

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    Reed actually said that? No Double moves?
     
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  11. SRM

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    You were there, right? What'd you see?
     
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  12. Robert Horry

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    ZERO double moves.

    Less than 10 Total routes that went pass the markers.

    Henne going through his reads everytime and no one being open.

    The wideouts getting ZERO separation.

    Bess barely playing at all.
     
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  13. SRM

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    Have to wonder why.. It seems like most teams have ALL of their receivers running routes that aren't simple. I see (or it seems like I see) a deep-double move route completion in almost every game I watch that isn't ours.
     
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    He said they played conservatively and did not worry about Henne throwing to anything aggressive, I tried to find a link but..no thanks.
     
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    BTW, if you watch the video, notice the throw to Ted Ginn in the endzone, no way Henne makes that throw, now put Beast in the picture.

    THAT is one of a number of reasons why Pennington got the nod, Ginn was covered and Penny led him enough to give TED FREAKIN' GINN a chance to high point the reception.
     
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  16. SRM

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    True.. I do think that Marshall will have a little more success with Pennington throwing to him for that reason. Not to say that Henne didn't have success with him, I mean, Brandon IS on track to have his best year TD's aside. But I think we'll see him start to have some more big games, just because Pennington throws a type ball that Brandon is known for being able to get. Not necessarily better than Henne's, just different.

    You could go to any one of Marshall highlight videos.. his best plays are off the throws where it's just throw it up there and let him make the play.
     
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  17. padre31

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    Well the thing is Beast has been shackled by literal triple coverage, there is no RAC for Beast because of that, I think Penny will help with that as he throws a more "friendly" ball, but until Hartline and Bess and Fasano torch defenses for triple covering Beast, he will have a rough go of it.

    Agree his TD numbers will pick up as triple coverage in the endzone is just not possible.
     
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  18. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    I would like to get rid of WR Coach Karl Dorrell. I have never been a fan of his since his UCLA days and am not sure what he brings to the table as a WR Coach. It seems his only success story is Devonne Bess. Is that enough to keep him around?
     
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  19. SRM

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    I actually think that his lack of RAC this year is more due to the routes that Marshall is being asked to run, and Henne not really leading the receivers with his passes. The guy can literally juke 3 guys easily if he has the space to .. hell, he can juke a whole defense. (Cowboys)
     
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  20. Rocky Raccoon

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    The lack of double moves is very frustrating, and something I've been noticing lately.

    You're telling me that when they run those 15-20 yard out patterns in between the cover 2 that they can't fake to the sideline then turn upfield? With the success they have with that play they should run double moves consistently.
     
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  21. padre31

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    Simmer down adamp, simmer down!

    Recall they waived Turner for Moore and Wallace's sakes, let's see what the Maestro can do with them before calling for scalps.

    If anyone should be examined, George Deleone should be under the microscope, there has not been a single Te developed in 3 yrs and they missed wildly with John Nalbone, the young bucks under his charge cannot block, cannot catch, and are non factors outside of Fasano, and he is more or less an extra tackle with decent hands.

    Not..good..enough.
     
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  22. CaribPhin

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    Wouldn't he have been told not to take that chance? Pennington was a veteran in 2008.
     
  23. padre31

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    Or would he just not take that chance as an outgrowth of his decision making process?

    That is why I am waiting for Sunday's game, if the offense hums there is a good chance it wasn't all Dan Henning going loopy that was the problem.
     
  24. adamprez2003

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    good point about Deleone. the dolphins are hios only nfl team right? throw him on the bonfire too
     
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  25. Frumundah Finnatic

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    He threw a deep pass to Ted Ginn on a similar play last year against the Jets.
    Granted it wasnt in the endzone but I would say the placement was about the same.
     
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    Do not insult Davone Bess' route running. It's some of the best in the business. It's the reason he's in the league. Marshall's hasn't been perfect, but he's also good and so is Hartline. Route running is not the problem. The routes they're running are.
     
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  27. Bpk

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    I hate Dorrell. Never developed a single reciever.

    Bess arrived GREAT. Watch his college tape. Over a three year span NO one in the NCAA had more catches.

    Man was already bona fide. People avoided him due to 1) feeling that Hawaii offense was not typical pro and had inflated his numbers too (so what, he had a MILLION reps catching the ball! It made him GREAT at it) 2) Slow 40 time for a small guy.

    He was WAY underrated by scouts as a result.

    So, no, I don;t think Karl Dorrell has EVER helped one of our receivers significantly improve. PLaying time, practice, being around vet receivers have all done more for them than that man ever could.

    Hell, most of them catch as well now as they did when they arrived.

    Hagan, London, Wilford were not helped. Not a whit. Ditto Ginn's route running.

    Camarillo and Bess already HAD hands.

    Nope. Dorrell has not developed a single receiver for us, imo. He is yet ANOTHER bad coaching choice by .. well was it by Sparano or PArcells?

    Either way, if Henning gets fired.. and Dorrell is crap, we have to question the Head Coach's hires.
     
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    It's hard enough for Henne to figure out where to throw the ball without double moves confusing his field of vision.

    Hell, Brandon tried to improvise on that one play where Henne got intercepted. lol. Brandon;s fault for changing his route, yes, but a QB with good chemistry and intuition might have 'felt' the same thing Marshall did and expected his WR to try that move to go to the empty spot.

    Henne is so 'programmed' he doesn;t have any 'feel' for what's organically going on on a given play.
     
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    Haynos as well!!!

    Great organizations DEVELOP PLAYERS. See New England.

    Our Front Office/Parcells and or Sparano seem to have hired a staff that doesn't improve ANYONE positionally. lol.

    So far, Todd Bowles doing a good job and whoever is coaching the D line is doing outstandingly imo, considering Soliai starting at NT and Odrick going down.
     
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  30. Pagan

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    What a wonderful,. feel-good video!

    Too bad it cuts off before the meltdown against Baltimore.
     
  31. vt_dolfan

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    Padre...are you kidding? Quoting the ESPN FOOTBALL GUYS...


    COME ONE MANNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!

    Henne wasnt getting it into the End Zone...I agree....

    But he can make throws like that...and has....how bout the two back to back over the shoulder to Davone Bess....


    Anyone want to take a shot at the over and under on the number of times you hear people say....

    Thats a throw Henne would have made....?
     
  32. vt_dolfan

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    I gotta say.....I felt the spark earlier in the week....but the more and more that I think about this.....the more and more Im not crazy about this move.

    And the more and more Im sure this staff hasnt the foggiest idea on who to develop a QB like Chad Henne...
     
  33. adamprez2003

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    but he is developing. just not fast enough to be kept in now that we're in the final stretch of the season. The coaching staff knew full well that they were going to have to carry Henne a bit. What they were hoping to do is protect him by keeping the game simple for him, playing field position football and let the defense carry them. Just like the Ravens and Falcons did in 2008 and the Jets did in 2009. Unfortunately for Henne, the rest of our team wasnt strong enough to do that. Whats crazy is if the refs dont rob us against Pittsburgh and we're 5-3 I bet Henne is starting this week. He mightve gotten benched if he lost to the Titans but I'm certain he would still be starting. And if the defnse and special teams hadnt blown chunks against the Jets and we were sitting at 6-2 he wouldve lasted the entire season.

    Having said all that its undeniable that at the end of the day Henne's benching is due to his ineffectiveness in the red zone and his inability to penetrate blanket coverage. The missed pass to Fasano might have been the final straw.

    Now the thing is Henne has played fine for a 2nd year starter. There is no rational reason to be worried at this stage. He has shown he can rip apart man coverage. He has shown improvement in his progressions. He has started to look off receivers and he has shown the ability to move the ball in the middle of the field. For a 2nd year starter he's on pace. And I think thats something that people need to keep in mind. Its not his fault he cant be a pro bowl QB in his 20th start. Thats just life. Unfortunately for him, the team cant afford to continue his development at this point in the season because it is in a dogfight to reach the playoffs. If we were 3-5 or 6-2 he would be starting but at 4-4 and every game a must win you have to go with the veteran unless you're willing to risk the season
     
  34. Georgia Fin

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    All you need to know is look at what Matt Ryan did last night after 3 seasons of growth. Proves this staff has their heads in the sand with our young QB.
     
  35. padre31

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    Different routes and throws Vt, Ginn was covered in front Penny still threw the pass over the Db but short enough for Ginn to high point the thing, Henne does not even attempt that throw.

    Which is why I believe the offensive output will improve with CP at Qb.


    Sure, and they would be mostly wrong.

    Henne the vast majority of the time will only throw it when the Wr was facing him, if Henne did not see the front of their Jersey that ball was not coming out.

    Recall the Fasano pass in the endzone? CP makes that one easily.
     
  36. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Seems everyone is pulling Pennington's lever :wink2:
     
  37. Robert Horry

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    Recall that pass to Marshall, inside the hashes 15 yards downfield in a max shell? Pennington will NEVER make that pass.

    I hope you remember us converting only around 10% of 3rd + 7 in 2008.
     
  38. Killerphins

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    Between the rust and the lack of arm strength this offense is going to be atrocious on 3rd and long and I expect we will be in that situation quite often on Sunday.
     
  39. ilovemyfins4eva

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    after watching the video and hearing first hand sound on the field what a leader this guy is, and the passion he has for the game, how do some people rip the guy?
     
  40. padre31

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    Say "the future" 5 times, and then "lacks arm strength" 5 times, then you will begin to understand the dislike.

    Of course Captain Balls also manages to win games, and lots of them, but that does not matter for some.
     

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