Chad Henne's Development As A QB Still On Track

I thnk each team feels as if they have their guy.

This is not Madden, no matter how much you think it is. I doubt either GM would want to give up "their guy".

Schmolioot-"Henne play bad. Flacco play good. Bradford play good. Why you ask? Because I say so."

MarinePhinFan- "You say so? Well, the facts show that all of these QB's are playing well and are very similar in their stats etc."

Schmolioot-"Me don't care. Me know. Me have GM-super-fly-talent-vision. When Flacco throw a TD it worth 9 points. When Henne throw a TD it worth only 6. That why stats mean nothing!"


Again, you're not smart enough to debate with me.

 

Drops, tipped passes, bad penalties, Drive Killers all.

 

I'm pretty confident he doesn't have a bowel movement at all, but even if he did he could surely make it to the bathroom. Devany nor Ireland would engage in such talks anyway, because it's after the trade deadline (among other reasons).

 

I really should report you, but I'll be the bigger man.

If Jeff Ireland didn't trade Henne straight up for Flacco he would be fired on the spot.

 

Henne's first 8 games: 6 TD, 4 INT

Bradford's first 8 games: 11 TD, 8 INT

Flacco's first 8 games: 5 TD, 8 INT


BAM!!

 

I was thinking of a different kind of mess in his shorts.

They would never engage in such talks because Devaney would never be interested in such a move.

Saying that other young QB's are better than Henne is not the same thing as saying "henne sucks" which is what you, marine, toddphins, etc., seem to think is going on. Or you're just incredibly defensive qabout it.

 

Report me? For what?

 

Personal attacks. You're violating the TOS of this site.

Notice how I've managed to have a conversation with you without calling you stupid, etc. Perhaps you should try it.

Have you figured out who qB X is yet?

 

Making comments like you & Todd did, directed at me at some of what he is talking about. No need to make this personal.

And Bradford didn't have the luxury of sitting a year and learning from a Chad Pennington. He's out there fresh from college, and at this, remember he didn't play that much last year even at that.

So Bradford, with less college experience, and no luxury year of sitting and learning, has executed on par with Henne, and you still claim Bradford isn't better ?

 

What is it with this misconception that Henne is playing well? He's 24th in the league in QBR.

The cause of his struggles can be debated, but make no mistake, he's been a below average option thus far.

 

There you go not reading, again. Where did I call you stupid. Show me the post where I did that and I'll report myself.

You're not stupid, you're just not smart enough to debate with me.

Oh, and you ignored this:

Henne's first 8 games: 6 TD, 4 INT

Bradford's first 8 games: 11 TD, 8 INT

Flacco's first 8 games: 5 TD, 8 INT

 

I don't see why you're choosing to lump me in with thinking you are saying Henne sucks. I disagree with Flacco playing such a better game than Henne (or even being that much of a better player), but I'd certainly trade Henne for Bradford. There is a reason one went #1 overall, and the other was a late 2nd rounder. However, I do not think Bradford is playing significantly better than Henne did as a 1st year starter (different offenses help/hurt). I do think Bradford can be thee top QB in the league, while I think Henne can only be top 10 or so (Eli Manning level).

 

Ok, so Bradford in his first 8 games, coming off a season in which he didn;t even play in college, is better than Henne in his first 8 games of hiss econd year starting. I'd say the case is just about closed.

Are you forgetting about QB X, or do you just not want to talk about him?

 

Fair enough.

The problem is that Henne has never had a game where he was as good as Eli/Flacco's best games. Even in the Jets game last year, his numbers are nowhere near as good as those guys have been.

 

thats a joke, flacco hasnt been above and beyond anything henne has done.....wtf are you talking about?!!?

 

Flacco's best single game QBR was a 135. Henne's best is 131.

Try again.

 

Exactly, there has been no signature win for Henne yet. No game that you can point to and say "he was the man" in that game, and the one reason we won.

 

So far, Bradford's numbers are better than Manning's first 8 games too.

Try again.

 

uhhhh hennes first 8 games, were last year, replacing pennington.....working as the backup all offseason

His "2nd year starting" will be next season

 

Flacco's best single game QBR was a 135. Henne's best is 131.

Try again.

 

Schmolioot-"Henne play bad. Flacco play good. Bradford play good. Why you ask? Because I say so."

MarinePhinFan- "You say so? Well, the facts show that all of these QB's are playing well and are very similar in their stats etc."

Schmolioot-"Me don't care. Me know. Me have GM-super-fly-talent-vision. When Flacco throw a TD it worth 9 points. When Henne throw a TD it worth only 6. That why stats mean nothing!"

 

I meant to say Bradford.

But yeah, I would trade Henne straight up for Flacco.

 

Neither has Bradford.

 

What does Manning have to do with this?

Sam Bradford is playing better than henne despite being injured for his last year of college and coming in and immediately starting on one of the 2 worst etams in the league. the guy is a great player.

 

Well I would definitely trade Chad Henning straight up for Peyton Manning, that's for sure.

 

Over their 1st 2 years starting I would almost certainly disagree. You are right that Henne's best day from a passing TD standpoint didn't match Eli's or Flacco's best day, but strictly from how they played I disagree.

 

Second Pastriots game in 09, Henne drove the field in the 4th Qtr for the go ahead FG.

However, Henne's Stat Monkery stuff falls off in the 4th qtr, he is among the worst Qb's in the NFL in the 4th Qtr.

 

Not only are you not funny, but you repeat the same jokes.

And I never said that stats mean nothing, just that they don't tell the whole story.

Henne's completion percentage and QB rating are worthless when he's not leading the team to TD's.

And yes, you can look at different players, watch them play and determine which guy is better even if stats are similar.

Have you not figured out who QB X is? Aren't you even curious?

 

For the record I'm going to say Kyle Orton is play X.

Edit: And he wasn't so hot his 1st 3 years in Chicago either. His 4th year was pretty good, but it still wasn't nearly as good has his season and a half in Denver.

 

Ok. You just had a long response about objectivity and subjectivity. Please provide your objective, statistical response. I'm away from a computer and I'm unable to pull those up. From last year to this year he hasn't been very good. I have no problem admitting I'm being a bit too negative if I'm shown something else.

He missed Marshall in Minnesota on an easy motion route--chalked up to timing. He missed Marshall against Pittsburgh on a back shoulder fade that he bulleted. He missed Fasano open against the Ravens. He missed Fasano against the Jets. The best throw I can remember him making in the endzone was the slant to Bess against the Jets and the wheel route to Hartline. Every other play has been outside and due to great plays made by Bess, Marshall or Fasano.

 

Missed Marshall on an easy flat route out of the backfield vs the Bills as well.

Henne is far to much of a hurry to get the ball out of his hand when throwing into the endzone.

 

No he isn't.

 

Bingo.

Do you think Chad Henne is a better player than Orton? Based on stats, like marine says, you'd have to say no. Orton's stats this year are far and away better. But I'd be willing to wager that most posters (even me) would rather have Henne simply because we think he is better.

That's all I'm saying. The stats don't tell the whole story. I cannot imagine someone watching Bradford and Henne play and not conclude that Bradford is better, even if they had similar stats on a particular day. there is certainly some room for disagreement but I'd bet most people would agree with me.

 

What?

That's like saying Curtis Enis was the best rusher in football on days that were 27.8 degrees, after new sod was laid, on the 6th day of November of 1997, when they play a 4:00 game on game in which Boy Meets Girl does the halftime show.

You seriously just took the first 8 games of their careers. Now I know you did it because Bradford has only played 8 games, so don't call me a "dummy", but to throw it into another posters face with that? Wow.

The old adage of there is a stat to prove everything couldn't be truer in this case.

 

Ok. Yet Henne is?

whatever.

 

My biggest beef Padre isn't that he just missed them. He didn't even give them a chance to make a play--other than the Fasano throw against the Jets.

 

That route didn't call for a fade. It was thrown just like it was supposed to (speed and trajectory wise) it was just a hair off the target.

He absolutely missed Marshall against Minny (or Buffalo, can't recall, but I remember it was the same type of play Hartline scored his 1st career TD on) and Fasano against the Ravens.

The pass to Fasano against the Jets, are you talking about the last offensive play? If so I disagree that he missed the throw, it was right there and catchable. If you meant to say Fasano vs the Steelers (or maybe it was the Bengals), I'd concede that a better throw makes for an easy TD, but it was still a catchable ball on the move.

 

Orton is much better this year, sure. He's had much more time in the league and many more starts though. I hope at some point (in the near future) Henne can play as well as Orton is this year.

I can say Bradford isn't playing much better than Henne did in his first yr starting, but just because I say that (and believe it) doesn't mean I wouldn't trade Henne for Bradford if given the chance.

 

I didn't want to pass this up. Great point Stitch--exactly right. Not only is it our ability to not run the ball, but we aren't even calling those plays! Haha that's another thread though and I'm sure I can find 48 of them right now.

It still doesn't excuse the inaccuracy of Henne in there though. However, it could take a TON of pressure off him a la Bradford, Flacco, and Sanchez--I use them because those are the comparisons being made.

 

I agree. I've said he isn't accurate enough/he's missing throws that I expect him to make.