Chad Henne's Development As A QB Still On Track

The 67 yarder was during the Saints game on a slant pass. I guess NJ needs to do a better job of explaining b/c you're having a little trouble catching on. There was also the bomb to Ginn in the Houston game that was called back for a tripping penalty on Polite. Just saying.

 

(sarcasm mode on) Wow, he's just marvelous and MiamiDolphins.com told us that. I guess they have no vested interest in making sure good PR goes out on Henne when he has suffered one of his worst defeats in his career. No they don't do they ? I mean the Dolphins own website ? (sarcasm mode off)

Come on, find an article like that on Henne from an outside source. That was tatamount to reading Granma and believeing that they would say something nasty about Fidel or Raul Castro !

 

Ryan in Atlanta too. These guys didn't need nearly two full seasons to "develop". Facts are they are trying to mold someone, and its like putting a square peg in the round hole. Its an impossibility. The guy just doesn't have the "it factor". Time to cut your losses, and not waste more time. This years draft QB needs to be a priority.

 

I see you just pulled something out of your butt, or parroted another ignorant person, with this statement? Henne's numbers in the red zone are better than or comparable with all 3-5yr QB's. QB's, mind you, that are on teams scoring more TD's than we are.

Henne's red zone play is not the problem.

 

NO, Cade McKnown was supposed to be our starter and when we got Penny we traded McKnown (to Tampa ???) that same day.

 

I have the feeling this is what will happen. New coach will come in and want his own QB.

 

Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't think you'd recognize the "it factor" if it took a dump on your nose.

Matt Ryan had a rough year last season which happened to be his 2ND YEAR AS A STARTER, and he didn't play the wretched schedule Henne's had to face.

Yeahhhhhh, let's prioritize QB this draft..... so we can hear you COMPLAIN about this one when he, too, doesn't develop overnight like Marino did. Give me a friggin break will ya. Carpel tunnel can't come soon enough for some of us.

 

Just saying stuff doesn't make it true.

You realize that Bradford's first year numbers are on par with Henne's first year number's, right? Except Bradford is less accurate than Henne.

God I hate when people just spew **** with no idea what they are even talking about.

 

Bradford is also throwing to something called "Amendola", while standing behind a leaky offensive line.

You don't have to denigrate Bradford to prop up Henne. Bradford is the better player. It doesn't mean Henne sucks, but Bradford is on his way to elite status

 

Read much? <<<Denigrated you

Where did I denigrate Bradford? I think he's a fine QB. Or will be. I think the same thing about Henne.

And last year Henne was throwing to a guy named "Ginn" and half the game he was on the sideline or outwide benig a WR while Ronnie Brown took the snap.

You'll have to do better. Henne's first season and Bradford's first season, so far, are pretty equal. Except Henne was more accurate.

You lose.

 

Dear Sir or Madam,

We are right on schedule to receive our pro bowl quarterback in one more year.

Sincerely,

The Company Man

 

It's not about winning or losing. All you Henne kool aid drinkers take everything personally.

I watch the games. You can see that Bradford is better. There is no one in the NFL who would disagree with this. No one.

That doesn't mean that Henne sucks or will never be good, but he is not as good as Bradford is right now and likely never will be.

 

WTG fella, get personal. Thanks for showing your true colors. I have an opinion and its just as valid as yours. I didn't get personal and your disclaimer is pointless because you meant to be personal. Thought ThePhins.com was different than that "other" board for this very reason.

Henne doesn't posses Ryan's arm, and his ability to command the team. If you can't see that Henne is just not the born leader like Ryan, then nothing will open your eyes to it. Henne seems to be HAPPY being led around and told what to do, instead of sticking up for himself, and demanding to have control. He needs to get some fire in his belly and start showing some emotion. I saw his presser after the game, and it was "oh ho-hum, just another game" you didn't see any anger, any meaness, anything that told you he has any emotions at all. Totally robotic. I have lost faith that he will ever develop.

I expect a PM from you Todd.

 

I guess you don't read.

Where did I mention winning and losing? I'm a strong believer that wins and losses are more of a team stat rather a one player stat. I never brought up wins or losses.

No, I can't see Bradford is "better" because it's not true and the stats don't support that either.

They are both in completely different systems, different philosophies etc etc and each are playing pretty well.

Show me where everyone in the league says Bradford is the better QB. You brought it up, prove it.

 

I think Todd was 100% right in his post.

(BTW, wipe the poop off of your nose. )

 

I read fine. Your post said "You Lose" directed at me. That was what I was referring to.

And if you can't simply watch two guys play and figure out which is better without looking at the stats then I don't know what to tell you. I watched Flacco and Henne play against each other. the guy who was better was pretty obvious to me. Hint, it wasn't the guy wearing #7 for the fins.

 

My issue with Chad Henne is his inability to lead the team to TDs. He's so terribly inaccurate in the redzone. I think of 4 TD passes he has missed off the top of my head due to his inability to be accurate or have some touch.

His redzone stats are really bad and there has been no progress there. Everywhere else he's gotten better. Maybe that's the last to come?

I don't know but we will never be the scoring te we need to be until we score points and he's as much of the probel
as playcalling and our inconsistency in the running game.

 

And some people think Megan Fox is better looking than Jessica Alba. All subjective.

The stats, which are objective, prove you wrong and me right.

 

I don't know where the idea that Henne is not a leader came from. Everyone, including veterans, from Day 1 always talk about his presence in the huddle and ability to command the offense. Everyone has talked about their belief in the guy.

That isn't his problem. His problem is maturity, experience, and his inability to place the ball in the correct spots in tight spaces--particularly the redzone.

 

Ok. Rely on the stats.

Call Billy Devaney and see if he'd like to trade Bradford straight up for Henne. Quote him "the stats". In your mind he should gladly make this trade.

Do you think he simply hangs up assuming you're pranking him or does he laugh and tell you how stupid the suggestion is?

Better yet, make this call to Ozzie Newsome and Tom Dimitroff while you're at it and see if they're interested in a straight up swap.

 

The stats wouldn't have suggested the Colts could all of a sudden stop the run on their path to the Super Bowl either.

Joe Flacco has a WAY more dynamic set of weapons than Henne, has a better OC, and some others that make his position more advantageous. But, it doesn't matter Joe Flacco does more with it and my eyes stats or no stats is better than Henne. I like the stats of scoring points, wins-losses, TD:INT ratio, things that really matter.

 

No, he is not.

 

The difference is we have 3 rushing TDs after 8 games vs like 13 over our first 8 games last year. We're much more 1-dimensional in the red zone this year than we were last year.

 

Sure. I'll call him. And while I'm at it I'll burn your straw man to the ground.

Bradford and Henne play in completely different systems, as I wrote before and you again must have failed to read.

You think Bradford is playing better because you're watching him play in a pass oriented offense. Henne does not play in a pass oriented offense. However, their first year stats are nearly identical. And how you can claim that Bradford is "elite" after 8 games is mind numbing. You realy should apply for a GM position with your talent. I can't believe you haven't been picked up.

 

Was it the checkdowns (which Henne gets killed for) to RBs and TEs for like 140+ yds, including like 100+ yac that showed that? Or how about the pick 6 he should have thrown, or the INT in the end zone that never was. Was it the 1 TD in 7 red zone trips (again which Henne would've been crucified for)?

 

You can use any stat you want. Hell, bring up Reggie Jackson's stats in October if it makes you fell better. It still won't make Flacco's stats any better than Henne's.

Sure the Ravens are the better team. Aren't they a lot of people's SB picks this year? How many people picked the Dolphins? Do you think they don't just because of Henne?

 

Yea, he doesn't play in a pass orientated offense, yet we're trying to throw it 35+ times a game. If we're going to throw that much, they need to change the mentality they have.

 

It was his command of his offense. His willingness to push the ball downfield. He doesn;t have burners either but managed to get the ball to Boldin downfield a few times.

Yeah, he should've thrown a pick 6. How many interceptions have guys dropepd on Henne? It happens.

 

Henne- 21 starts- 62% comp, 4845, 2.8 TD%, 3.0 INT%, 79 QBR

Flacco-40 starts- 62% comp, 8501, 3.7 TD%, 2.5 INT%, 85 QBR

So, Flacco throws 1 more TD and .5 less INT (with 20 more games experience than Henne) for every 100 passes.

Yea, that's a HUGE difference in play right there.

 

Steven Jackson has 172 rushing attempts, 2nd most in the NFC. By contrast, our "rushing offense" has Ricky and ronnie with a combined 179 carries.

STL is no more a "passing offense" than ours is. And you don't want to answer my hypothetical because you know the answer. STL would never, ever, in a million years, entertain swapping Bradford for Henne because Bradford is better. This is not controversial.

And yet again you Henne kool aid drinkers succumb to personal attacks. You and ToddPhins continueto do so, because you don't like anyone questioning your savior who apprarently needs 4 years of seasoning before we can expect any results.

 

I agree. The play calling is more of a detrament to this team than any other single thing.

 

Exactly, which is why they should commit to the running game, at least in the first half, and hope the Defense and Special Teams hold up their end of the deal.

I do not care if Henne becomes Chadly Checkdown as long as he can work the 15 to 25 yd range past the LoS. But really, Henne should be throwing 25-30 times a game max just take advantage of what he does do well and occasionally force him to stretch the field deep.

 

Call Ozzie Newsome and see if he's interested in a trade. Do you get the immediate hang up or a few minutes of laughter first?

 

Personal attacks? Me pointing out your failure to read and or comprehend posts is not a personal attack.

No one said Henne needs 4 years. He does, however, need more than 20 games.

Produce? So far Bradford has produced the same as Henne in each of their first 8 games. Except Henne was more accurate.

 

Seriously?

Uh, what about execution? This entire roster is leaving plays on the field every single week.

At some point, the lack of execution reflects poorly on the coaching staff, Sparano in particular.

 

There's been like one interception all year that a defender really should have had and didn't get (and it was in the patriots game). But you know, that was made up for in the Steelers game when a ball that clearly hit the ground was ruled a pick and not reviewed.

Our secondary has missed more interception chances than defenders vs Henne have, that much is certain.

Oh he got the ball to Boldin downfield a couple times? What was his final numbers again? 2 for 28 I believe. Between Boldin, Mason, and Housh they got 9 for 104 yds. Hardly groundbreaking (or downfield breaking).

Ignoring YAC, I bet Chad had around as many 10+ yd completions as Flacco.

 

You bring nothing to the table except hypotheticals, straw men, and subjective opinions.

I bring stats and objective facts.

You're not smart enough to debate with me.

 

If Billy Devaney called Jeff Ireland right now and said "I'd like to swap Bradford for Henne. We're looking to save a few bucks" do you think Ireland immediately messes his shorts or does he make it to the bathrom?

 

Non Sequiturs are in abundance in this one, that is a fact, things also were getting a bit personal (comment about wipe your nose comes to mind).

As for Stats:

"Stats are for Losers"

-Raheem Morris

Indeed, the only stat that matters is TD to Int everything else is not as important.

 

Yet another personal attack. And I'm pretty sure I'm just as smart as you, but whatever continue being a jerk. It's real easy to do hiding behind your computer.

In sports, stats don't tell the whole story.

Here is an NFL QB's stats, this season:

QB X: 61.7 completion %, 2,509 yards, 12 TD's 5 INT's.

Clearly better stats than Henne, hence he's obviously the better player right? Figure out who it is and tell me if you'd want to trade Henne straight up for this guy.