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10 thoughts on the Ravens debacle

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by hugoguzman, Nov 7, 2010.

  1. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    I hope this isn't a foreshadowing of events in which you end up removed from the board and sitting somewhere in a straight jacket. ;)
     
  2. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i agree. it just always seems like we cant put a total effort out there. someone is always screwing up. hopefully the easier schedule allows them to get into a groove and gain some confidence
     
  3. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Also, I'm surprised the running game aspect isn't getting more play.

    I mentioned it in our twitter feed today, but we completely abandoned a really good aspect pretty early today.

    That either speaks to an increased level of confidence in Henne or a subtle level of incompetence.
     
  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Holy crap, perhaps instead of a squirt bottle Henne requires a sippy cup?

    Sooner or later:


    YouTube - The Sopranos: Big ***** is a fish

    Sparano will have to pour himself a hot cup of reality, Henne is a Fish.

    I am very very rarely this negative on a dolphins player, his performance makes it obvious..Henne ruins the chances of Dolphins wins vs good teams.
     
  5. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    The problem is that it has nothing to do with Henne so we aren't allowed to discuss it.
     
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  6. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    ahh pads is alright. he is just venting. he got attacked by alot of people today for speaking his mind. he can say anything he wants to me.
     
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  7. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Nah, not even Sparano, with the hopes he has for Henne can ignore the reailty of how terrible he is playing, his 4th qtr Qb average is just amazingly terrible.

    If anything Henne has regressed, two "big games" and Henne responds with dueling 3 interception performances, I'd guess the bright side is, Reed nor Webb managed to return them for TD's the way Chung did for the Patriots.

    Dude is a fish, that is inescapble Muck, the sooner he is sat down, the sooner we win ballgames.
     
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  8. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i was really excited early by the run game. i thought the first drive was all on john jerry who was absolutely mauling people. but after the first drive he started getting abused a bit. by the 2nd half he was a bit of a turnstile it seemed. then they put mcquistan in.
     
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  9. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    I can't get on board with that because I'm not yet convinced this is his ceiling (I saw some progression in places today). And I don't believe Pennington is going to take us much further than Henne would.

    With Pennington you sacrifice the young guy getting that experience for a few more wins and an unceremonious exit from the playoffs (should you make it).

    Weren't there supposed to be growing pains? We're seeing them.

    I want the bigger arm. Pennington has everything else, but you can't get to the end without the arm in this league.

    Basically, I'm not ready to call it a day after 21 games.
     
  10. Whitedolphin54

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    I am disappointed in the run game the most. With what we have we should do better.

    I like our defense a lot, but boy we drop so many key interceptions
     
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  11. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    let me call it for you, should have been done in game four
    bench Henne, play Pennington :yes:
     
  12. Firesole

    Firesole Season Ticket Holder

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    Goddamn it's going to be a long week.

    I may have to stay logged off for a few days to keep my head from exploding while constantly reading the same things. Please Muck, just ban me for about 6 days!
     
  13. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    I think 21 games is a fair shot.
     
  14. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I think if Sparano is consistent with his 'the best guy plays" then Pennington in place of Henne is obvious, otherwise this team is in danger of quitting on Sparano.

    If I notice Henne's play, they will as well, and this is not one bad game, this is several, the bigger the game, the harder Henne chokes and the offense follows suit.

    There is nothing wrong with the offense that a Qb who delivers accurate throwns on time and on target in areas that make catching the ball simpler cannot cure.
     
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  15. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    One man's opinion, but Andy Reid believes you can't conclude anything until they get to 30.

    Took Drew Brees four years and a replacement drafted #1 overall before he took the next step.

    Who knows.
     
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  16. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Agree with the who knows, the rest is not so, Reid traded McNabb when Kolb had a total of what..9 starts?


    No position can show more improvement quickly than Qb, with Henne though, I see regression or lack of growth week in and week out, he misses open receivers far to often among other things.
     
  17. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    I know that your mind is made up, so believe me, I'm not expecting you to understand or agree with what I'm about to say...

    You have skew things to fit your perspective. You're making it out as if the Patriots game and Raven game were the only two "big games" Henne has played this year (because he played poorly).

    The Jets game was a "big game" and he threw for 350+ and 2 TDs and repeatedly brought them back into the game despite horrid performances by the defense and special teams.

    The Packers game was a big game and he threw 2 TDs and led a TD drive to tie the game in the fourth quarter and helped move the chains on the game-winning drive in overtime.

    The Steelers game was a big game against a conference powerhouse and Henne played very well to win (250 yards and a TD against the No. 1 defense in the league).

    Henne has plateaued over the past few games (i.e. not shown much progression) but he deserves to play the next 8 games and have his shot at proving that he is good enough to be a legit franchise QB.
     
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  18. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    - Hartline has played well the past two weeks

    - Was the sun in Ronnie's eyes when he dropped that pass?


    2 Words:

    Dan Henning
     
  19. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    Drew Brees is one of 100. I think he needs to be gone. I am also not one that thinks Pennington will do any better.
     
  20. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yeah, Henne needs to play 8 more games because losing is fun!!!

    No thanks, saw what needed to be seen, hopefully Pennington is 100%,


    Vince Young was sat in favor of Kerry Collins for much less of a poor performance, Henne should surrender to his 2010 fate.
     
  21. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    All is quickly forgotten however after a loss. I'm starting to get a bit concerned with the guy, but the improvement is there, and I've seen the kid make all kings of bigtime throws while in college. Im not ready to pack it in on him just yet, its going to set us back so much farther as a franchise if we do. We need to finish out the year with him, see how it goes. development is a process. I would really like to see a different system as well. Our offense seems so... bleak. So predictable.
     
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  22. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    Heres a thought, ronnie and ricky combined for 11 carries today. Thats AWFUL.
     
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  23. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    You act like Miami is 0-8. There's no doubt that Miami is an average team at this point, but you can't simply dismiss the fact that their four losses came to teams that are a combined 20-4.

    Also, it's funny that you mention Vince Young, a guy that is playing extremely well right now but took time to develop (much more than 21 starts). He was given roughly 30 starts and wasn't pulled until after the first game of his third season of play.

    So if you're going to use Young as the mold, then by your very logic, Henne should be given until at least the beginning of next season to start.

    Thanks for discrediting your own line of argument. Makes it easier to move on to other topics.
     
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  24. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    No doubt. I'm not sold on Henne, but he definitely deserves to start the rest of the season and show some more progression.
     
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  25. hazed819

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    no one on the team presents a prettier picture at the moment but if we dont make the playoffs Henne has to go in my opinion.
     
  26. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    I know we aren't making the playoffs no matter who is starting.
     
  27. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    LMAO at Pads in this thread. I thought you were better than this. You go from liking Henne to hating him and calling for his benching from one game. Give me a break. Henne didn't play well today, but he HAS made strides since last season, so no, he isn't getting benched unless he keeps playing like he did today.
     
  28. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    I am not ready to give up on Henne just yet, but the guy is on a way short leash with me. I agree with Padre that he has regressed. He seems to have accuacy issues still, locks on to recievers sometimes still and takes too long to make a decision.

    This team is not going anywhere this year. I give Henne to the end of the year to show real improvement and if at the end of the year it's not there, we need to move on. And that really sucks cause we've been moving on for 10 years.
     
  29. padre31

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    Gosh Wiley E Coyote, I'm in awer of your supra geniatude...why bother to respond when you set up your own question then knocked down your own response..and found oneself to be correct at the end of the process!

    VY came off of a playoff season, got nicked, Collins came in and played well and VY went bonkers, Collins the led the Titans to a 14-2 record.

    I do realize it is incredibly easy to make snap judgments on a sunday night, but consider Bro, 47% rating, 3 int's, the Ravens themselves are saying the same thing the pastriots said, Henne is an easy Qb to defend.

    There is no reason to doubt what they are saying, sooner or later, the pro Henne folks are going to face the facts, even when they do not wish to hear it.
     
  30. padre31

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    That is a misnomer RR, I do not "hate' Chad Henne, I have seen what I needed to see from Chad Henne.

    My one and only agenda is "Dolphins win ballgame".

    I do not care if we ran the wildcat for 50 plays a game as long as we win.
     
  31. Stitches

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    There's not one measurable category that you can point to and say he regressed. I don't see how anyone watching him can even suggest he's regressed.

    Has he not progressed as much as you'd like to see? Probably. I wish he was further along than he is, but there's absolutely no way he's regressed.
     
  32. Rocky Raccoon

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    And Chad Henne's record as a starter is 11-10. AKA a winning record. 21 games. How could you have seen what you've needed to see?

    Look, we're all angry and pissed off. You've called him a choker in this thread? Why? Because he threw a pick at the end of the game down by 16 points? I didn't recall Henne choking last week when he led our offense on a 98 yard drive in the 4 qt in Cincinnati to put the game away. Up and downs Pads. That's what you get with a young player. You're going to have to deal with it like the rest of us. Not cry for his benching.
     
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  33. Rocky Raccoon

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    It's because people only look at the TD's and Interceptions.
     
  34. hugoguzman

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    That's a bit too simplistic in my opinion. If Henne lights it up in the final 8 games (or simply has solid numbers in the INT/interception ratio department) and leads the team to a winning record, that should be enough.

    Remember that Miami will likely be fighting for a wild card birth against teams that are currently 6-2 (Jets/Pats are 6-2 and in the same division, Steelers/Ravens are 6-2 and in the same division).
     
  35. Destroyer

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    Keep in mind it was Cinci. We shouldnt have been behind to begin with if we were a good football team. When was the last time we played with a lead of more then 10 points?
     
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  36. Stitches

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    If Henne leads the team to a winning record and can throw as many TDs as picks (or better) then he should have another year. I don't expect Henne to "light it up" in the final 8 games, but it would be nice to have it happen once or twice just to show that it's there. He's had good games and very good/great games, but I want to see the team have a dominant game where Henne shoulders the load.
     
  37. AbideN703

    AbideN703 Yes, I'd hit it

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    Jets and Pats are 6-2
     
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  38. Stitches

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    Ok, we aren't a good team, we're an average team. Better?
     
  39. Rocky Raccoon

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    And also, being at the game I agree with the Henning bashers. We run the same friggin plays all game long. Same formations, same routes. We lined up with trips 3 times and we ran a WR screen each time. The defenses aren't dumb, they know it's coming. Add some more to the ****ing playbook!
     
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  40. padre31

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    Do you recall what Sparano said at the end of last season?

    "We are 7-9, mediocrity will not be tolerated"

    I believed him.
     

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