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  1. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Couldn't agree more. If we could get a playmaker at Safety to team with Clemons and/or Bell, I'd feel really good about our D.

    Offensively, I think a RB, WR, and TE are all in order. As far as addressing the OL, I'd love to make Logan Mankins a Dolphin.
     
  2. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    so you believe the rplacement for henning is better? because from where i sit its not even close. they replaced henning with a bum which is what will probably happen if we replace henning with someone
     
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  3. adamprez2003

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    bell is beginning to worry me a bit. seems to have lost a step or something. not sure but he doesnt seem to be the playmaker he was in 2008
     
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  4. Bpk

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    Soliai is the only question mark in terms of resigning and dollars. I think we HAVE to resign him, as there are so few NTs out there in the draft (and they take hella long to mature) and FA. That means his agent can gouge us a bit.

    We'd be smart to extend him now, in fact.... but that won;t happen since we aren;t sure about the labor situation.


    In terms of offensive priority... this regime drafts OL better than it signs OL free agents. I'd look to see if there's a center in the draft. I could see us trying to move down again by trading our 1st for a 2nd and 3rd or 2nd and player. We have a lot of holes and too few picks.

    Offensive position priority, imo:

    1) RB
    2) TE
    3) OL
    4) #2WR
     
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  5. djphinfan

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    Here is a list of the “functional” ages of the 32 NFL offensive units:
    26.1 Philadelphia Eagles
    26.1 Miami Dolphins
    26.2 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    26.4 St. Louis Rams
    26.5 Houston Texans
    26.5 New York Giants
    26.5 Chicago Bears
    26.5 San Francisco 49ers
    26.5 Baltimore Ravens
    26.6 Oakland Raiders
    26.6 Cleveland Browns
    26.8 Carolina Panthers
    26.8 Pittsburgh Steelers
    26.9 Tennessee Titans
    27.0 Kansas City Chiefs
    27.0 Detroit Lions
    27.1 Jacksonville Jaguars
    27.1 Green Bay Packers
    27.1 New Orleans Saints
    27.3 San Diego Chargers
    27.4 Denver Broncos
    27.5 Buffalo Bills
    27.6 Arizona Cardinals
    27.7 New York Jets
    27.8 Seattle Seahawks
    27.9 Atlanta Falcons
    28.1 Indianapolis Colts
    28.1 Dallas Cowboys
    28.2 Washington Redskins
    28.4 Cincinnati Bengals
    28.6 Minnesota Vikings
    29.7 New England Patriots

    Youngest offense in the league...If Jared was still starting we would be top 3 overall i would estimate.
     
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  6. RoninFin4

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    I concur. He's missed some plays this year. The Jets game strikes me right off the bat, I think I also noticed a bad whiff on a tackle against the Steelers. He's still solid, but if you can get another playmaker at S to team with Clemons, Our D could be really good. I did notice Tyrone Culver on the field a lot more today than he has been in previous games and I came away impressed.

    I wonder how much Bell's total role in the defense would be diminished if A.J. Edds were available to play that nickel/dime LB role that Bell is currently occupying? I know Nolan used Wesley Woodyard a lot in Denver in that role.
     
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  7. Bpk

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    I think they were hoping to develop Rashad Jones towards that end. He could become YB's replacement in a couple years.

    Personally, I don't think Jones has enough ability to be a great starter.
     
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  8. Clipse

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    Except that most people where I currently live, which is in Danville, right on the North Carolina border, are Panthers fans and not Redskins fans. But thanks for speaking about something you have no clue about.

    About the rest of your post, they had the 22nd ranked offense in 2005 according to NFL.com.
     
  9. Bpk

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    We have tried and failed to find that hybrid DB/LB sort. Folsom was the first attempt. Then Edds. I think Edds returns to be a pleasant surprise next year. As such, YB should play less TE coverage, one would hope. That is, if Edds learns fast enough in training camp and recovers well enough, and is talented enough in the first place to not get shoved around at an NFL level. He's about as physical as Spitler... maybe LESS. And Spitler is no beast. Edds is extremely smart, however and would be a huge asset in coverage is he proves athletic enough to hang with NFL level talent.

    Aside from the lost playing experience, a HUGE loss for Edds is that he needed the year to do some serious strength and muscle building in our program. ACL has robbed him of that and he'll not have a powerful base to engage blockers off of next year... well, no stronger than he was in college, assuming rehab goes well.
     
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  10. djphinfan

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    and they fu%$ed up taking Claussen in the 2nd...maybe Smith will be available in the offseason.
     
  11. RoninFin4

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    Bpk, excellent point about Soliai. If not for injuries, a preseason 2010 or future 2011 defensive depth chart could look like this:

    DE - Odrick, Merling
    NT - Starks, Soliai
    DE - Langford, McDaniel
    WLB - Wake
    ILB - Dansby, Edds
    ILB - Crowder, Dobbins
    SLB - Misi, Alama-Francis
    CB - Smith, Allen
    FS - Clemons, Jones
    SS - Bell, Culver
    CB - Davis, Sapp

    All that said, if you bring back Soliai and McDaniel, what are your needs? Safety strikes me as first and foremost, then perhaps another CB, and maybe an OLB who can get after the passer? (I'd be interested to see if we turn over the rock that is Thaddeus Gibson, I think Pittsburgh just cut him?)

    Edit - Just saw your other post. I'd love for Reshad Jones to be that guy, but I'm not sold on it. I'd be pretty happy if he's the Tyrone Culver of the future if you will, and perhaps he can be more. Has he logged a snap on the field in a defensive role yet?
     
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  12. Bpk

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    I think I saw him in a package at one point, yes. he made a play in the endzone in a game, did he not? Recovering a fumble? So, yes, he has seen snaps, but it is a very rare occurence.

    Mainly he played Special Teams.

    Currently he is injured.
     
  13. djphinfan

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    you know, I dont believe we blitzed more then a couple of times this game if any...

    I believe the reason for that is because Carson Palmer is the 3rd highest rated QB when a defense sends a blitz...bout a buck 20 on the ole QBR..

    Nolan was genious today...The bengals literally could not play out of the box, we smothered them after the adjustment Smith over Allen..

    Did you see SS24 gettin hyped on the field after the game, lol, he was talkin some sh^% to a camera while noone was askin him question's..

    How bout Channing filling a passing lane and tipping it for an incompletion..
     
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  14. RoninFin4

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    Yeah, I think you're right. Stinks that he's dinged up. Amaya seemed to fare pretty well out there on special teams today. Nice to have a lot of young contributors out there.

    If Jones did develop into that playmaker, I'd be damn skippy having spent a 5th on him.
     
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  15. Clipse

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    Nice try. Too easy to break this down. Obviously playactions on 3rd and long are an incredibly dumb thing to do. I would imagine you're not ignorant enough to disagree.

    I don't remember the 3rd and 2 all that well, only that there wasn't a RB in the backfield, and it sure wasn't a shotgun. So how convenient of you to leave out the 3rd and 2 I was talking about:

    3rd and 2 at MIA 37 C.Henne pass incomplete short left to B.Hartline.

    I know you're not dumb, so quit acting as if you are. You know damn well I'm talking about using RB in the passing game more in general. In 2007 under Cameron, he had 39 catches for 389 yards in 7 games. He had less catches and yards in 2008 in 16 games. That was the only time in his career he was really used as a pass catcher, which makes no sense being that was one of, if not his biggest strength coming out of college. Though I guess it really wouldn't matter all that much being Senile Dan doesn't know how to run a screen anyways.
     
  16. Clipse

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    Picking up a blitz, sure. It sure seems to me on both of those, the whole plan was to have the tackle get the inside guy and let the OLB get by and then Polite pick him up. Sure looked that way being the tackles should of picked up the outside guy and didn't even look in that direction. Which is obviously a stupid idea.

    Here's the JT sack as well: http://www.nfl.com/videos/miami-dolphins/09000d5d81adedd0/Jets-defense-sack-8-yd-loss

    The JT one especially looks like they wanted Polite on JT, and obviously JT is going to win that matchup every single time.
     
  17. Clipse

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    Fact of the matter is Ronnie was leading the NFL in yards from scrimmage before tearing his ACL. It hurts to know that Cam Cameron did in fact do something better than this current staff, but I think most would agree that Cameron is an excellent OC anyways. He actually knows how to use his strong armed QB, and knows how to use his RB in the passing game. Henning has to be the worst in the NFL at running screens. We don't even use blockers half the time, which is pretty much the point of a RB screen.
     
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  18. Clipse

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    When I'm right, what more is there to add?
     
  19. Clipse

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    That replacement got them the 7th ranked offense in 2008, better than any offense Henning ever coordinated. Like I said, the biggest problem with the offense is no talent at QB, WR, or TE. Oh, and an offensive line that's given up the 3rd most sacks in the NFL. I actually feel sorry for the guy with what he has to work with. In fact, most people around here feel John Fox is the problem.

    And how do you know we'll replace him with someone worse? Chances are that won't happen unless Sparano hires another conservative, play not to lose idiot, and in that case Sparano should be shown the door because it's becoming obvious he's fully in line with playing not to lose. Either way, whoever is responsible for this philosophy, which I know for a fact Henning is one, should all be shown the door, because this philosophy wins nothing of importance.
     
  20. ToddsPhins

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    I'd love to see the Raiders win the SB just so NE nets the last pick of the 1st round. :lol:
     
  21. ToddsPhins

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    I wouldn't want to fire Henne unless there was an absolute stud available for the taking (like we got with Nolan).
     
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    Offense trumps defense. Double coverage can be beaten pretty easily. Sparano says defenses are playing shell and Cover 2 a lot, but that just means they’re playing deep zone, and zone can be beaten by crossing routes. Henning instead calls for underneath plays, and the offense predictably sputters out when facing a short field.

    Offenses are supposed to challenge defenses, not negotiate with them.
     
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    We do still have Nolan Carroll to hopefully develop at CB....... and Moses is still continuing to improve & is making the most of his time on the field. IMO our only pressing need is a playmaker at safety followed by another Soliai type NT so that Starks can stay at end.
     
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  24. djphinfan

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    R&R, do you think Ronnie's route running has anything to do with him not getting a lot of action.?
     
  25. Bpk

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    I feel like Starks played great at DE last year, but only SO-SO this year. It may because he spent the offseason prepping his body to be a NT then training camp getting ready to play Nose.

    Maybe after another offseason and TC he'll be back to last year's form. He seems less quick this year.
     
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    I think you could be right.... not to mention the physical stress of it is probably wearing on his endurance/tiring him prematurely. We're taking him right away from his play strength IMO. That's why I feel it should be a big priority to get someone good behind Soliai. I don't ever want to see Starks inside again unless it's in a 4-3. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  27. hugoguzman

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    Here's the thing, Henne did have his second-worst game today, but that's what's so impressive.

    If a "bad" game by Henne consists of 200+ yards, a 65% completion percentage and some key completions in the fourth quarter, you've got a pretty solid young quarterback on your hands.

    P.S. I guess you could argue that the Bills game was his second-worst game but he didn't throw a pick in that one.
     
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    I guess you could spin it positively that way. I like your thinking in that regard. :knucks:
     
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  29. Clipse

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    Sure wasn't a problem for him under Cameron. Cameron used to put him in the slot at times as well.
     

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