Sanchez separating himself from Henne

That's like saying: if you're gonna point out Peyton's 11 TD passes then you gotta point out Clausen's solo TD as if they balance each other out.

 

Yeah but Sanchez hides the ball in his pooper and I think that's entirely unfair & should be flagged. Just sayin.

 

No, what it would be like is saying that Peyton Manning could have had 3 more TD passes if it weren't for drops, and then ignoring any drops that could result in TDs for anyone else. If you're going to make an argument based on hypotheticals, you include those across the board. You don't get to pick and choose to suit your argument. It's a silly thing to do regardless, because Sanchez doesn't have any INTs no matter what at this moment.

 

How about this: you pick your analogies and I'll pick mine. My analogy was perfectly fine. A drop is a drop just as a TD is a TD..... so if I want to use Manning's TD's as an analogy, then that's my prerogative.

I compared Manning's TDs to Clausen's to show how irrational it is to compare Sanchez's dropped INTs to Henne's. Just b/c Henne has a dropped INT doesn't mean it washes out Sanchez's numerous drops.... just as 1 TD by Clausen doesn't wash out Manning's 11. ANY stat can be used provided there's a strong variance between the 2.

You can use how many times player A scratches his balls compared to player B for all I care b/c the effect is still the same. Ronnie tugs on his nuts 8 times a game so you have to point out Carey's single tug.

 

And it's not silly b/c we're only 4 & 5 games into the season so there should be a regression for Sanchez b/c it's unlikely that he will go an entire season without these drops turning into INTs.

 

Exactly. This won't keep up. Extreme's like that eventually even out. It's kind of like when David Garrard had the season where he only had 3 interceptions. That season he averaged one interception every 108 pass attempts but the very next season he regressed to his mean and averaged 1 every 26 passes.

Other than interceptions, Sanchez has actually regressed in the other passing numbers.

 

You're talking hypotheticals. You're not talking how many INTs Sanchez has, you're inventing criteria for him having imaginary INTs. You can't talk imaginary INTs versus another players real INTs any more than you can talk about imaginary TDs or nut tugs. You can compare imaginary whatevers all day long, but you can't say a player sucks compared t another based on imaginary stats.

Why? There's absolutely nothing that states that Sanchez' dropped INTs are suddenly going to be caught or dropped at any given rate. You cant predict how many possible dropped INTs he may throw. You can predict with some certainty that he'll throw one, but you can't say which, if any will be dropped or caught.

 

Lots of Sanchez hate in this thread, along with a lot of woulda, shoulda, coulda.

We should subtract 1 TD because Allen slipped on the infield sod. I'm sure there are more to subtract. Come on guys. Get him to 0. Don't let me down

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I'll say it again, Sanchez is helped by the league leading rushing offense. That makes things a lot easier for a QB.

Sanchez is playing well, very well, but I also think Henne would be 4-1 on the Jets team now also. The O-line is playing better than ours also.

 

So far, Sanchez has played better than I thought he could. I will give credit where credit is due.

That said, I would not trade Henne for Sanchez. I am quite happy with what I have seen from Henne.

 

No, I'm not talking hypotheticals, and there's nothing imaginary about dropped INTs. I'm talking poor throws. A bad throw is a bad throw, and the last time I checked, when a QB throws a pass that hits the defender in the hands, it's a bad throw.

Eventually they will even themselves out b/c he is presently not a top 10 QB in the league despite what his INTs and QB rating show. No matter how you try to argue against it, a QB can't sustain an entire season or career at a rate like this where dropped INTs constantly remain drops. He's only at a 55% completion rate which is indicative that his accuracy is not always consistent. He can't stay lucky all season in this regard. But none of this was the point of my original post. The point was that his stats are misleading and are by no means a rationalization for saying that Mark's any better than Henne right now or is deserving of MVP consideration.

 

There's no hate. We just don't buy into the overblown hype. Just b/c we don't feel he's a star at this moment doesn't mean we're showing "hate" for him. We're just being realistic. His zero INTs are not indicative of his actual performance..... and no one has said a word about the slipped TD. Now if he had 12 TDs and 6 of them came from CBs falling down, then we'd be saying that his TD production is overrated, just as his zero INTs are overrated.

 

I saw at least 6 dropped passes in the Vikings game. Let's tack them on to his completion percentage while we're at it. Nothing imaginary about those either. Oh wait. It only goes one way, right?

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You don't think Dolphin receivers drop passes either? LOL.

 

Sure they do. The point is that the whole argument is silly. A pass completion isn't a pass completion when the receiver drops the ball. An interception isn't an interception when the defender drops the ball. This whole thread is filled with "well if this happened then blah, blah, blah."

Sanchez is playing well. No one is claiming he will never throw another interception. But many seem to think it is dumb luck. Go watch the second TD pass to Keller against you guys. You can't throw it any better than that.

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Let me ask you: Do you honestly feel that Mark is a Top 10 QB deserving of MVP consideration? Does he currently have the ability as a Sophomore to be "The Guy" if the Jets are trailing through 3 quarters or in overtime and need him to carry the team on his shoulders? (b/c I'm having a hard time remembering any games of such. You came from behind in the 4th qtr to beat SD in the playoffs, but that was ALL Greene)

 

I disagree.
Blindly using stats to say that Mark is deserving of MVP consideration or is better than Henne at this point is what's silly. I'm not taking away from Sanchez by any means, and many of my posts about him show him respect.
Dropped INTs aren't "what ifs"; they're poor passes that he's gotten away with. Just b/c it's a drop doesn't mean you can ignore that it's still a poor pass.

 

Its not that Sanchez can't make good, even great throws. He obviously can, but when you evaluate a QB you look at many factors. Before this season I was on here saying that Sanchez had very good potential, even higher than Henne's b/c I was evaluating the throws that were both made and not made. I gave him credit for passes that were dropped (among other things) b/c I was looking at how well he was playing, not just what counted in the stats. It goes both ways now as well. The fact is that his interception total does not reflect how many dangerous passes he has thrown. I still believe he has very good potential, but people seem to be over-estimating how well he's played b/c of the his interception rate.

 

Well, thats easy to understand seeing as how last year, he threw 20 against only 12 TD's in a run first offense.

Thats about as bad as it gets!

 

Agreed. But he was a true rookie and threw half of them in two games. I never expected him to be good last year, especially in the beginning of the year.

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Based on what we've seen...not what MIGHT happen, Sanchez is far and away better than Henne. Its not even close.

 

Nonsense. Its not too early to compare them. It may be too early for the comparisons to stick for their entire careers..but its proper to compare them. And right now, Henne comes up way short in that comparison.

 

ESPN doesn't Think!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Why don't they compare him to the other young QB's? Why is it just Sanchez?

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Probably because they are in the same division?

But why does it matter? What is Henne and his supporters afraid of? Why wouldnt he want to be compared to whoever is the best young QB in the league?

 

Well that INT brings back up the questions....what a momentum changer !

 

Matt Ryan?

 

Manning had several dropped INTs last night too. Happens to all QBs

 

Sanchez looked like warmed over *** yesterday whereas Henne made some timely throws.

 

What?
What did you say?
I couldn't hear you.

 

Sorry, but the stats don't agree with you. Now, if you want to claim that the Jests are so far this season the better team you have an argument.

Sanchez this season: 54% completion rate, 1100yds, 9TD (5.1 TD%), 2 INTS (1.1 INT%), 6.2 Y/A, 86 QBR

Henne this season: 63% completion rate, 1195yds, 7TD (4.1 TD%), 5INTS (2.9 INT%), 7.2 Y/A, 85 QBR

Now, Sanchez has played in one more game also so that needs to be mentioned. If you look at their TD% and INT% you'd see that Sanchez is not that much ahead. What those stats mean is Sanchez throwns one more TD per 100 passes and Henne throws 1.8 more INT's per 100 passes. Henne is being asked to do a lot more so of course he'll make more mistakes. So far in this season Henne has thrown 35 or more passes in 4 out of 5 games where as Sanchez has thrown 35 or more passes 1 out of 6 games.

And a 54% completion rate is HORRIBLE. Henne, if compared to any other top QB in the league compares favorably with ALL of his stats. Sanchez? Not so much.


Now, I do think Sanchez is playing better than I thought he would. However, for anyone to say that he's "far and away better" is drinking the kool-aid served up by the media and they are also failing to use their own brain.

 

Shhhhhhh...
Stats? Are you serious?
Who needs Stats when you have the incomparable Dirty Snatchez. Sorry, those stats are NOT hemping Tim Grahm make his point.

 

Per ESPN Fantasy analysis:

after week 5
Sanchez:

after week 5
Henne:

Meh. I think I'll avoid the "expert" analyses from now on and look at the individual stats at the end of the year. That said, these two are definitely on my fantasy watch.

 

I'd say warned over *** is a bit strong. He was bad in the beginning, but pulled it together in the second half. That place was rocking at the end and he kept his cool. He made several good throws in the 4th quarter.

I understand where I am, so I don't expect him to be praised. And he really did play a mediocre game. But they won, so I am not complaining.

 

I'm not gonna knock Sanchez, that's been done enough, but if Henne has the game Sanchez has the Dolphins lose. That's the thing I've tried to tell Jets fans. Sanchez has so much more room for error than Henne.

 

The amount of spin in that "expert analysis" is absurd.

Sports reporting anymore is nothing but hyperbole with a degree to give it credibility.

 

Here's how I see ESPN breaking down that last throw that resulted in a PI by Sanchez.

"He was savvy enough to throw it down field and get a PI when he knows the official are looking closely at those penalties this year."

And here's how they would break it down if Henne threw it.

"Henne was awful all day, and if not for a gift-wrapped bail out penalty by the the refs for PI, he would've cost the Dolphins yet another game"

you spin me right round baby....