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Sanchez separating himself from Henne

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan7171, Oct 15, 2010.

  1. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    How is it even debatable at this point in the season?

    Henne is 2-2 with 5 TDs, 4 picks and 9 sacks.

    Sanchez is 4-1 with 8 TDs, 0 picks and 5 sacks.

    The MVP talk is a hoot though. Tomlinson is the MVP of that team so far.
     
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  2. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    What do the team records have to do with comparing the 2 QB's? Henne wasn't the reason we lost either of our games.
     
  3. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    Thanks, dude. I have plenty of friends that have likes and interests that differ from mine. It's what makes the world go round. This is sports. It's not life and death. :lol:

    And like I've posted before, I don't enjoy getting my balls broken over sports, so I try not to do it to others. You know the old "do unto others" line your parents used to feed you. :lol: I did have a small infraction when I bagged on your coach though :(
     
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  4. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Nor can you use sacks. The most sacked QB last year was Aaron Rodgers. Big Ben takes a boatload of sacks too.
     
  5. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    You bagged Sparano? :sad: That may explain the weight loss.
     
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  6. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Come on man. If you check my record, you'll see I am behind Henne 100%.

    But the fact is that Sanchez has 8 TD and 0 picks. Henne has 5 TD and 4 picks.

    So as of today, Sanchez has 48 points and Henne has 24.
     
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  7. AbideN703

    AbideN703 Yes, I'd hit it

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    I love this part

    So Sanchez going 4 for 17 is apparently a good thing? All Henne has to do is complete 3 of his next 11 long-ball attempts and his completion % would be better. But hey the Jets are 4-1 and Sanchez is the only QB not to throw an INT yet. Good for them and ESPN.
     
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  8. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    The long ball is by far the worst part of Sanchez's game.

    sent from my EVO 4G
     
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  9. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Never said you weren't behind him, but the first thing you brought up was the records, which has nothing to do with this debate as QB is only one part of the team.
     
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  10. azfinfanmang

    azfinfanmang Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I disagree with that, and actually IIRC his arm strength coming out was always a HUGE plus.

    I think his decision making, and the fact he rarely steps in the direction he is throwing are his week points...but what do I know. :confusion2:
     
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  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    The problem I have with Henne is that he only has 6 attempts. He has zero, "Throw it up to Marshall and hope he makes a play" throws. Zero!
     
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  12. jazz

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    all i know is that the jets and espn can talk all they want...all they are doing is setting themselves up for embarrassment and heartbreak. :up:
     
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  13. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    Accuracy on the long ball.

    sent from my EVO 4G
     
  14. Califin

    Califin Well-Known Member

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    Given the inherent conflict it presents to our "risk management" fundamentals, I'm not so sure the concept of Henne "throwing it up for Marshall", has even been brought up yet, in any discussion with coaches.
     
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  15. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    Best perspective I've heard in a while.

    Way too early to make any conclusions on either player.

    For all we know:
    -Sanchez could become an All Pro and Henne a bust
    -Henne could become an All Pro and Sanchez a bust
    -both could become All Pros
    -both could become busts
    -both could be average NFL starters
    -etc and so forth
     
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  16. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    I could have sworn he threw at least one of those in the Jets game. Am I not remembering correctly?

    sent from my EVO 4G
     
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  17. Rocky Raccoon

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    You're correct. On the rollout he stopped and threw it up to Marshall down the middle of the field for a 40 yard gain.
     
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  18. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    They should do that more often. I'd take my chances with Marshall any day of the week.

    sent from my EVO 4G
     
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  19. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I'm pretty sick of Tim Graham and the "Sanchez is better than Henne" agenda he has carried out on his blog since early last spring. Yet he gets a free pass for his ****ty articles because he grudgingly answered a few questions on this board once upon a time. At least that thread was finally unstickied. Thank you mods! :up:
     
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  20. AbideN703

    AbideN703 Yes, I'd hit it

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    I dunno. It isn't like defenders have all day to decide on if they believe the QB is faking the handoff or not. I think playaction from any QB is effective.
     
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  21. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    It only takes a second to freeze the safeties and the LB's. Sanchez hides the ball well after faking the hand off. A great play action is where the QB hides that ball on his hip and the defenders go to tackle the RB only to have an "Oh sh!t" moment. Henne doesn't fool anyone, even for a nano second.

    I really think there are different levels of competence on play action passes. Obviously you are free to disagree with me. It's all good. :up:
     
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  22. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    its kinda crazy that sanchez has thrown it deep 17 times while henne has only done so 6 times. that is really low. you have to go deep more than that
     
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  23. ASUFinFan

    ASUFinFan Uh huh

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    Peyton Manning knows this. Some QB's can fake it better, Henne struggles with this. And honestly, he struggles with a lot athletically. He's slower than me, by a long shot, and really...his only athletic play using his legs is the rollout to the right. I want Henne to watch Rodgers and his decision making, and movability in the pocket, and his awareness on when he sees an opening to take it and run. Not just bury his head and plunge two yards ahead without even seeing who is around. Needs to really work on this area of his development. The guy makes Marino look mobile.
     
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  24. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    i have sort of been thinking this and you laid it all out. he really seems like he is on his own and left to progress on his own power. pennington helps, but he isnt a coach. he isnt structuring drills or being a "boss."

    i suppose it is possible that henne is being coached well and he reverts in the game, but i dont think so. he is getting better, but its more like he is getting better at the stuff he was already pretty good at, like you said

    i also think he needs to work on his body more but that wont happen until next year
     
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  25. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    He is for one simple reason: the Jets have one of the best two offensive lines in the NFL giving Sanchez all day to throw. The Jets MVP is not Sanchez or their defense. It's that line that makes Sanchez look good and LT look like he still has gas in the tank.
     
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  26. PS17

    PS17 NYJ 2010!!!

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    That's all I was talking about. I thought it was "too early" last year and I still think so. However, I'd be lying if I were to say I'm 90% sure Sanchez will become the better NFL QB in the relatively near future. If he continues to progress at the rate he currently is, there will be no doubt.

    It's actually puzzling to me because last year I remember that as a strength. The throw to Cotchery in NE comes to mind deep down the right sideline, as well as the throws to Braylon in the ATL and IND (playoffs) games. I hope he gets that worked out soon, because it's a great asset that he has. He was good with the long ball in college too, so I'm willing to say this is a minor aberration to start the season. Maybe he just needs to get the timing better...who knows.

    Calling it "by far the worst part of his game" is a bit of a hyperbole, no?
    Gotta give credit to the OL. They are the engine that makes this team go. However, LT is without a doubt the Jets' MVP to this point.
     
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  27. finfansince72

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    Sanchez should have a lot more interceptions, I've only seen 2 or 3 of the Jest games and I swear theres been at least 3 or 4 dropped or sure ints that weren't made. Good on him, he is protecting the ball better than last year for sure but him having zero so far is pretty lucky. I do think over 4 or 5 games he is playing better than Henne on some levels, he's doing what the Jest need him to do which is not lose games and make a few plays. I actually liked him coming out, I liked both Henne and Sanchez, I think its going to be a lasting rivalry, Sanchez has the better team right now.
     
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  28. AbideN703

    AbideN703 Yes, I'd hit it

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    He fooled Revis last year with Ginn didn't he? :shifty:
     
  29. AbideN703

    AbideN703 Yes, I'd hit it

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    I agree with you and Bickety that there are different or more effective ways to pull off the play-action pass. I just think any sort of play-action move should be good enough to pull off the fake.
     
  30. muscle979

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    Sanchez has been better than Henne. But it is somewhat annoying that the NY loving media will not point out a few that Sanchez has gotten away with. If Langford doesn't drop the ball [figuratively and literally] in week 3, they lose that game and Sanchez is the goat. Everything is suddenly completely different. One single play that could have had that much impact and I don't think I've seen the media mention it anywhere.
     
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  31. AbideN703

    AbideN703 Yes, I'd hit it

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  32. vt_dolfan

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    Im not sure I would say he is a better athlete...I would say he is a DIFFERENT athlete.

    We'll have this discussion at the end of the season....and then we will see.

    Jets fans easily forget how Sanchez literally ALMOST HANDED US THE GAME THIS YEAR. God I wish I could get that clip and post it....it was as if he panicked and tried to hand him the ball....so I dont want to hear about how he 0 Ints...with the game on the line, he panicked and it was only because Langford dropping it that it wasnt returned for a pick 6
     
  33. vt_dolfan

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    That was the second biggest wussy move I have ever seen by a QB. The biggest was Cleo Lemons not trying to get in the endzone in NE...
     
  34. fin13

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    The Jets are playing better than the Fins therefore Their QB is looking better.
    Fins/Jets game, Jets go up by 14 and block a punt Henne playing from behind.
    Pats 21 points given by special teams again playing from behind.
    Higher risk taking comes when you are losing, and the Jets haven't started behind except the Pats game.
    How did the Jets fans feel after the Ravens game, Fins fans were *****ing after 2 wins that we weren't using Marshall enough and Henne should be throwing more this $hit is like politics it don't make sense.
     
  35. adamprez2003

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    sanchez really does run the play action beautifully. you need to be a bit of an actor. guess robots arent good actors :lol:
     
  36. muscle979

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    They're not the only ones. The entire NY loving media has conveniently forgotten that play. It was a huge mistake, the drop doesn't take away from the fact that he floated a pass right to a Miami lineman at a crucial point in that game. But if you listen to the media Hot Dog is about flawless right now.
     
  37. ToddsPhins

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    Is there a SMILIE available that has me pooping on Tim Graham? Just curious.

    MVP my mother f****n a$$ dipped in chocolate!! The "product of the system" can barely complete 50% of his passes. (no offense Bickety. I think he's a QB with potential but NOT an MVP candidate..... at least not this season.)

    Henne is 1 good game against Green Bay away from surpassing Sanchez in virtually every category except dropped INTs. Henne's also 1 good game away from statistically being a top 10 QB.




    Graham, I have 2 pictures for you:


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  38. djphinfan

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    It was really wussy wasn't it...lol..

    man, if langford just catches that bread..wow.

    He's only at 54 percent completion I think...throw a game losing girly throw in his repertoire, and you would have some heat.
     
  39. Darrelle Revis

    Darrelle Revis I BELIEVE!

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    As much as I love Sanchez, it's still early. Mark Sanchez looks like the better QB as of today.
     
  40. jdang307

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    Henne has gotten away with dropped INTs as well, so if you point out one, you gotta point out the other.
     

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