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Clemens to be named in Report

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by NJFINSFAN1, Dec 13, 2007.

  1. NJFINSFAN1

    NJFINSFAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

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  2. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    the unofficial list I've been seeing around the net...


    Brady Anderson
    Manny Alexander
    Rick Ankiel
    Jeff Bagwell
    Barry Bonds
    Aaron Boone,
    Rafaeil Bettancourt
    Bret Boone
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    Ramon Castro
    Jose and Ozzie Canseco
    Roger Clemens
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    Wilson Delgado
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    Carl Everett
    Kyle Farnsoworth
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    Troy Glaus
    Rich Garces
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    Scott Schoenweiis
    David Segui
    Alex Sanchez
    Gary Sheffield
    Miguel Tejada
    Julian Tavarez
    Fernando Tatis
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  3. NJFINSFAN1

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    David Segui said he was never asked a question, but admited this week to doing it, so I don't think he is in the report. But Andy Pettitte? wow!!!!
     
  4. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Pettite is already a definate, breaking news on ESPN.
     
  5. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    No real surprises.
     
  6. NJFINSFAN1

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    Yanks are cheaters! :glare:
     
  7. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    :001_rolleyes: Yes, I'm sure there will be no Mets on the list right?
     
  8. NJFINSFAN1

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    Not current, we dumped that cheater Mota! I'm surprised the Yanks didn't trade for him. :001_rolleyes:
     
  9. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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  10. njfinfan

    njfinfan The First Lady

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    It surprises me that Albert Pujols is on that list.
     
  11. NJFINSFAN1

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    That explains why the Mets didn't want LuDuca back.
     
  12. NJFINSFAN1

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    I don't think he is.
     
  13. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Heard it was going to be a bad day in the Bronx.

    Love the big red stripe that MSN.com put on their home page "BREAKING NEWS: Clemens, Tejada, others named in Mitchell Report. Developing".
     
  14. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    haha, no Jeter, no Rivera
     
  15. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    Yes he is.
     
  16. PeaTearGriffin

    PeaTearGriffin Season Ticket Holder

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    nook logan really?
     
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    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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  19. NJFINSFAN1

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    No mention on the offical report is correct, at least as far as I saw.
     
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  21. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Pujols and Boone surprise me.
     
  22. djfresh47

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    I don't believe they were on the official list. Although i'm kinda surprised Brett Boone wasn't.

    I question the credibility of the list made by an owner of a team. Most of the info he got was from drug dealers, not exactly the most crediblie of sources.
    There was no reason to name names, except to stroke Buddy Selig's ego. Selig is a joke, he turns a blind eye after devastating the sport to bring it back, then all the sudden he's Sherlock Holmes.

    I'd like to see a list of NFL players because I suspect it would be atleast as long. They get the benefit of the doubt because they had a testing policy in place.

    Pettite and Clemens aren't really a surprise. They're just nicer guys than Barry. Where's the positive tests for these guys? If Buddy really wanted to release info release who tested positive prior to the policy being put into place.
     
  23. Ray Finkle

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    This list was determined to be a fake, too bad because this one is better than the real one as far as star power.
     
  24. Ray Finkle

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    This was a pretty disappointing list to say the least. Besides Clemens and Pettite (whose names were leaked by the LA Times back in April or May) there were no big surprises or shockers.

    This will be the talk of sports until Christmas and then the story will die and no one will care anymore.
     
  25. Brown42000

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    I was watching SNY last night and I think they said combined the Yankees and Mets had 30 former players on the list. It's an incomplete list that lacks credibility because it was made by a part owner thus making it a conflict of interest for MLBPA. The list is guys that Radomski and Clemens' trainer talked or knew. I'd like to know how many NFL players who are on "performance-enhancers." Tom Brady could shoot up before throwing the ball and it wouldn't stick to him. Though that's the difference between an idiot running the sport and Goodell.
     
  29. NJFINSFAN1

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    Read Ken Stabler's book, he talks about bowls of uppers and pills in the middle of the locker room, and players would grap a handfull and swallow them as they went out to the field.
     
  30. tylerdolphin

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    There are obviously going to be more Yankee/Met players because Mitchell's main source was a Mets clubhouse assistant. Trust me, if we could magically have a list of every player who used steroids, the teams would be pretty even.
     
  31. Motion

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    :up: Selig needs to go.
     
  32. Ray Finkle

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    Mitchell isn't an owner, he is/was director of the Red Sox (what he actually did with the team I have no idea).

    Anyway the thing people are missing is the reason why there are so many NY players names is because the only guys Mitchell got to talk where a former NYY trainer and a former NY Mets clubhouse boy so of course there is going to be a lot of NY guys on that list. In fact I was surprised more Met players weren't named simply because Radomski was always with the team.
     
  33. djfresh47

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    I realize this. Though a 20 month investigation with two sources, both whose credibility is in doubt. Though everybody said the same thing about Jose. Just off the list with taking the Balco guys off; the majority were average players. I haven't read the report but aside from Jose and Sammy forgetting English in front of congress what is on Sosa? Physically we can see changes and his numbers increased.

    I can't remember the name of the author but Juicing the Game, gave some credibility to Bud Selig. He wanted testing earlier but nobody would go for it. If MLB had a policy in place to test it would've covered it's own behind. Much like the NFL does.

    I didn't look it up but thought I heard that Mitchell had some part of BoSox management. Though I must've been wrong. Still it's a conflict of interest not to have an independent 3rd party to do the investigation.

    As fans we want athletes to never do any wrong. We put them up almost on an un-human level like they're bigger than life. Though I think as we'd love every sport to be utopian and have no bad news. We're wrong and naiive.
     
  34. Ray Finkle

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    I don't disagree with anything you said. I agree having someone that was/is getting paid by two MLB teams (people forget Mitchell was getting pay checks from Disney who owns the LA Angels) is a conflict of interest even if the guy was 100% unbiased with his report, people would still doubt it.

    The list was a joke, without those 2 guys he would have had nothing because no one from the MLBPA would talk to him but Frank Thomas and he wasn't even a user.
     
  35. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    He was?

    That explains that.
     
  36. njfinfan

    njfinfan The First Lady

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    He was indeed.
     
  37. djfresh47

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    Pujols was not on the official list. His name along with a bunch of other higher profile names were on a fabricated list that was floating around the Internet.
     
  38. njfinfan

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    Thanks dj. That's a relief. I was shocked when I heard he was on the list.
     
  39. joker2thief

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    The bowls of pills is a funny picture
     
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