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does ricky williams deserve to be i the ring of honor?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Miguel, Sep 30, 2010.

Does Williams deserve the Ring of honor?

  1. Yes he has done enough

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  2. No he has not done enough will always remeber him though.

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    56.5%
  1. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member


    Deciding a week before TC started to 'retire' then have it really be a ruse because of yet another failed drug test is, imho quitting on the team... then to be suspended at least once more after that is inexcusable...

    Sugar coat it all you want, but that's how it played out.
     
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  2. Coral Reefer

    Coral Reefer Premium Member

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    Wow.... utterly SHOCKED at how many people feel Ricky Williams belongs up in the stadium with our most loved and IMPACTFUL players.

    Yeesh..... sad. :pity:
     
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  3. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Well, I was reacting you your statement that Csonka bailed on us for the WFL. I misread some of what you were saying, sorry...You're saying if it was good enough for Csonka to be in the ring, it should be good enough for RW. Personally for the reasons I've said in these posts, there is a big difference between the times and what players could and could not do to get out from under the clutches of the team they were on compared to today's NFL and for the reasons of RWs bailing on the team versus Csonka bailing on the team.

    What's really sad is that IF RW had kept/had/wanted/been able to (whatever the reasons were) his head on straight, he would have surpassed Csonka's on-field accomplishments several years ago....now it's too late for him to regain what he lost during the missing years...it wasn't a matter of potential for him, it was his inability to keep his heart in the game...sad. It may have been somewhat a medical issue, it may not have been. We'll likely not really know, but the bottom line is that he shoulda, coulda, woulda...but didn't...
     
  4. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    I say YES.

    1.Haven't had a running back do as much as him since Csonka.
    2.Is what, 800-900 yards away from passing Csonka in yards?
    3.IF the Dolphins win a super bowl this year or next year[if he does play as he says], he'll have a ring as well. Doesn't need it though.
    4.most people will forget about 2004 because of him sticking with the team since then, including being a major part in the Phins winning the division in 08 for the first time since 00.
    5.will most likely retire a Dolphin.
     
  5. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    Sorry but as much as I like how he's turned his life around, and is contributing, he was suspended by the league too many times for me to say yes.

    Him walking out, to me, is not even close to the same as Zonk, Kiick or Warfield. They were a huge, huge part of the greatest season ever, and were the main cogs in participating in 3 straight SB's, winning two of them back to back.

    Ricky had one GREAT season, and that's it. He had all the talent in the world but one season does not get him up on the RING OF HONOR!

    Now if we had a plaque for honorable mention, I'd consider it.
     
  6. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Totally different era of football, can't compare stats. Ricky wasn't a part of some of the historically greatest teams ever either. Ricky doesn't deserve the ring of honor and I don't see him ever getting it I think fans like the guy but his performance doesn't warrant even considering him IMO. Ricky has been a backup for years now too, a couple of good years and 4 or 5 as a backup isn't ring worthy.
     
  7. Roman529

    Roman529 Senior Member

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    I am not trying to sugarcoat it, but let's face it, some people have problems with drugs,,,,so did Mercury Morris, but he helped us win some SBs, and later paid a big price for drugs. Nobody is perfect, but if you just look at what Ricky did in a Phin's uniform he should be in. Also how can you say he quit the team because of drugs....sounds to me like he didn't want to play football anymore. I'm glad he came back to play.
     
  8. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box


    I'm a recovering addict so in no way, am I using that to say he does not deserve it. His suspensions do sway me but not because he failed drug tests but because he missed playing.

    Ricky has done absolutely nothing besides one great year. A year that saw no playoffs, which is not his fault but other than that he's done nothing special.
     
  9. daphins

    daphins A-Style

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    HUGE Ricky fan here...he's my favorite player ever, and I personally don't give a flip about the personal problems...but even I don't think he has the production or legacy to make the ring of honor. He was an incredibly talented player, and had he been here his entire career the situation might be different. But as it is, 2 great seasons don't an honoree make IMO. I wouldn't argue with it either way...he was the most talented back in the game for 2 years (save for HOF bound LT) but is he a franchise player?...not sure about that.


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  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I think point one has to do with the quality of runningbacks that haven't died since Csonka.

    That said, I think the Dolphins Ring of Honor is a joke. There are not enough players on it and so many that are deserving. In fact they only have 6 more than the Seahawks. A storied franchise has more stories than 6 more than the lowly Seahawks.

    Same time I do not think that Ricky Williams should be on the ring of honor by the way he quit. Plus when he came back he was a 2nd runningback. In fact if Ricky deserves to be on the Ring of Honor than Chris Chambers and OJ McDuffie deserves to be on the Ring of Honor.
     
  11. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    What I would say to that is that makes the Dolphins Ring more of an honor than the Seahawks and that also cheapens the Seahawks ring.

    Don't worry Dupree, we're adding Jake Scott and Bill Stanfill during the Bears game this year. That'll put some distance between us the Seahawks.
     
  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I would disagree with that. Every player on the Seahawks ring of honor are great Seahawks and deserve the honor. There is nothing cheap about the Seahawk ring.

    I would feel better if they had a Dolphin Hall of Fame.
     
  13. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    True, but Morris issues were after he played football. Look, it's not about the drugs, although they are the by product of his issues. It's about what he did to his team and team mates. That's the issue.

    2004 - retired 0 games, 2005 susp 4 games, played in 12 split carries with RB for 743 yards, 2006 susp entire year and 2007 injured reserve after 6 carries. He's had two productive years for us where he was the premier RB. All the rest of his yardage is as RB's backup. You can't forgive, imho, the missed years. Csonka obviously was a great back for us and what he did for us, leading us to 2 SB championships. His legacy for being the ring is justified. What is Ricky brought to us other than let down and embarrassment after his two great years and even in those years, he brought no playoff appearances.

    I'm sorry, I can't see what he's been other than disappointing, except for 2002. What I can say is that I'm happy for him to work thru his issues and regain his dignity as a player and a person. If you ask me what I think of him as a human, that's a completely different question....
     
  14. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    **** no!
     
  15. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    That's what I disagree with. RW didn't do that much. He had one great year, one good year and then spent of the rest of his time here as a part-time player. He wasn't part of any great team accomplishments. Without even considering the quitting stuff, I don't think he did enough to make the ring of honor.
     
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  16. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    I like Ricky a lot, the Ricky we have now, and the Ricky we had in 2004. The ROH deserves far better than that however, JMVHO.
     
  17. DOLPHAN1

    DOLPHAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box


    Make it, don't make it it makes no difference to me. I think we want to allow for some things for our pristine idols and not for those of storied back grounds. Oz I usually am in complete agreement with the opinions you have but I gotta question this. It seems we are willing to condemn Ricky as much for his social disorder as for his team circumstance. Ricky WAS the offense on those teams and Wanny rode him into the ground. He was not part of something great and still managed two incredible seasons. More important, I think you need to look at what he has done since straightening his life out. He has become a productive team member as well as a leader and positive influence in the locker room. If you want stats, he accomplished something few have done by rushing for more than 1000 yards at the age of 32.

    Again, make it or not makes no difference to me but I think we need to look at Ricky in a little better light because he really has given everything he has to this team and some of those teams were horrendous.
     
  18. DOLPHAN1

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    I would agree with that. I think Ricky is still better than CC even with the lost years...
     
  19. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    We can't always agree man and thats ok but I think you're taking my comments to me being totally against Ricky and thats not true. I've came a long way with my thoughts of him. I went from #### him to Addaboy Ricky.

    I'm sorry but to me his social disorder has nothing to do with playing football. He's proven that since college. I have stated two or three times in this thread that I like, and let me add, respect the way he has turned his life around and how he is contributing to the team.

    BUT he has had one great season, and one good season followed by being a backup Rb. By those standards then maybe we should put up Lamar Smith for having to good seasons and one great playoff game? Even though he killed someone while driving drunk.

    I really like this new Ricky Williams. I'm really pulling for him all the time but to me, the Miami Dolphins ring of honor, has to be for special players and imo Ricky did too many things, and not enough things to be up there.

    I would love to see some good sized plaques placed around the stadium with a list of players such as Ricky. Those who contributed in a big way to the franchise but don't quite have enough to get on the ring ....
     
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  20. DOLPHAN1

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    No I didn't think you were totally against him. I was stricken by the notion that the fact that Ricky has not been on a team that was special is being held against him. Or those first two years that he was the Offense with no one else special around him. Even with the 3 years on walk-about he still has managed to be #2 in rushing on this team and very well might end up being #1.

    Am I disappointed that he could have been so much more? You bet. Like I said in/out makes no diff to me. Seeing where he is and what he has done for this team before and since his breakdown I can forgive him.
     
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  21. Ozzy

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    I've long since forgiven Ricky, yet still think he has not done well enough to be in the ring of honor. Just because he has had all the talent in the world, it does not mean to me, good teams around him or not, that he belongs enshrined...

    Honored in a lesser way sure but not as one of the alltime great Dolphins.
     
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  22. Kanye West

    Kanye West 'Parcells' Guy

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    I cant fight with that reasoning :shifty:
     

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