Unfortunately, the Dolphins are....

I never said I accept it. I just am not going to jump to irrational conclusions due to a loss. Look you could be right, but if you are, it won't be based on logic, it will because you took a small sample set, guessed and were correct.

 

Or just mature, as they understand that in life you're going to lose, and chances are you'll do it more than once in a row. You'll also likely do that more than once. You can accept losing, it happens and it has nothing to do with being content. Sometimes you get outplayed; it will happen.

You act as though people who don't rant and rave about a loss, or two or three or four are content with it. Maybe it's just that they don't see the point in ranting and raving and generally looking as though they lack perspective.

 

This made me LOL.

 

I am cracking up in this thread.

 

yeah yeah i know

 

What was bold about my words? I simply stated that you don't have a clue how the season will play out.

So unless you have the crystal ball, I'm right!

Comparing what team beat what other team does not work in the NFL. Sorry.

 

This is gonna be good...LOL

 

yeah...just....wow...

 

Wait a second, I need a judge's clarification on something here...

Two of the first three games Miami played played this year were with teams that were in their conference championships last season...The Minnesota Vikings (which we won) and the New York Jets (which we did lose)...

And we're a second rate team????????????????

 

If we beat the Pats and then Packers I see the complete opposite post. It's ONE game. Take it easy. So many people have these knee jerk reactions to every single play.

Yes, we lost a close game at our home opener against our most hated rival.

Yes, we will lose more games this season.

Have we been knocked out of our division? No.

Have we been knocked out of a playoff spot? No.

 

I said from the beginning that I wanted your picks for the week upcoming. Never said anything else. Still waiting to here them . You claimed to get thing before everyone else, not me. It was pretty plain, I never said anything about how we'd finish the season. Go back and read and you may find that you're being a weasel as I hear they don't see to well. I don't see why you don't understand what was said. I wanted your picks for the week coming up so I can bet them, again as you said you got it earlier than most.

I figured since things come so easy and you know so much the stock tips were the next avenue as well, since you can juggle multiple variables and such. Should be easy.

So man up as you say and give the picks for the weekend, all I ever asked for. I guess by your definition you're a weasel too then as you haven't ponied up for that yet?

I've only asked for this week, I said that at the beginning based on your assertion that you "get things earlier than most". I'm just asking you to put your money where your mouth is. You proclaimed your greatness and expertise and everyone who disagrees is a loser anyways. So pony up and show us all your greatness and show us that you do in fact "get things earlier than most".

If you wish to bet about what I suggested then fine, thats the only bet I mentioned. I'm completely open to that, I'll use my money to bet your picks since you know so much..........isn't that a compliment or are you so used to getting them you forget what they're like? I have never said I'd bet about the result of the season, or said anything about how they'll do, ho many they'll win or lose. I just know one game doesn't make most people fly off the handle - only a few. Check the first post regarding this if you need to. I have no problem betting what I mentioned in the first response, but your request for the season I've never intimated anything about. Hard to back away from something when I've never suggested or been party to it.

I'm pissed? At what? I've already said this thread is hilarious. You think I'm upset? I'm laughing at you and you don't even know that? Why do you think I'm talking about stock tips and making bets on your advice? You don't see what's happening and think I'm pissed? And you get things earlier than most? Why not bet everyone else if they figured out what was actually going on since you're a betting man, should be easy. I bet everyone else knew what was happening.

You seriously didn't get that I'm mocking you and basically clowning you? Why would be pissed, its funny. Hard to be pissed when you're laughing really.

You could call me out all you like, hell do it for the rest of time it makes no difference. How will I ever make it now that I've been called out on ThePhins by who ever you are. How will I make it, I will have to leave the internet forever and shut down my PC in shame never to type again. The travesty of it all. Maybe I should sell my computer too and use the rest to buy myself a life? I may have trouble doing it so can you do it first to show me what to do? I don't know what I'll do with myself after being called out like this, the pain is too much for me to handle. Whatever will I do?

You really got me with that one. How many others have simply fallen limp on the ground under the wight of such a beat down? Your big thing is to call me out? What's next, you'll call me names? Oh wait...............please don't I may need counseling to heal the deep cutting scars.

So I need to cool my jets, why? You'll do what exactly? Bet me I won't? You'll make me stop taking how? I shouldn't talk about how much I know because you said you don't care......oooohhhhhhh.........here's a news flash. The fact you took the time to tell me how much you don't care means it urked you enough that you had to say it. If you didn't care why respond? Why bother wasting your time on me then? Wouldn't silence be enough? Wouldn't that be the signal?

The Pro Scout isn't me, (I'm not giving names as the last time he got in **** for posting here, if you want to PM a Mod they may feel you should know, but that is not my call) he's a guy who has worked for the Ravens and Redskins and Daniel Jeremiah who has posted here before. Whether I'm a scout is irrelevant, I've never claimed to be. I don't walk around saying how I get things quicker than most..............then strangely appear clueless to someone openly laughing at you. I'll tell you what if I get an offer from an NFL team I'll give them your name instead and say that you "get it earlier than most" so you'll be sure to fit right in. Afterall, I should do that in an effort to help my reputation as a "big guy". Let me know how it goes.

Having a website doesn't make me anything other than someone with a website. I like the big guy part - that means you've been talking to my wife about me - you shouldn't put that out there though others may get a complex.

But, in all seriousness it does get us quoted and used as referenced in Tim Graham's blog a guy from ESPN. I believe KC Joyner also referenced our work this past draft cycle and we do the pre-draft work for the Sun Sentinel which last roughly 12 weeks or so. I gets us the all star games and press passes to NFL games and the Super Bowl if we want. It also allows us to have Ricky Williams announce to us first that he would be back for another 2 seasons earlier this year via a Twitter conversation we have. It gets us prospects who wish for us to interview them before the draft and get their name out there. And it gets people who are actually working for University Football programs in the FCS Division to request a place on the site so they can help advance their career. Hey we had the Dolphins interested in Jared Odrick roughly 9 weeks ahead of the draft. We even mentioned it to him when we spoke............he was curious as to how we knew that. I guess the sun shines on a dog's *** afterall.

So yeah, it doesn't make me a scout, but it allows me to do things the average person doesn't which works out fine for me. Make you happy now? Feel better?

I'm waiting too. I can't wait to be schooled educated and whatnot. I'm sure the other losers will be keen to read your immensely intellectual musings as well, as you can see we have no idea about much and we all need to learn from someone of such great ilk as yourself. Please enlighten us losers.

 

Im just glad my memory is going. Cant imagine what threads were being posted on here 3 seasons ago!

 

lmfao.

 

I'm just happy that I've been found out and must now admit I'm a weasel.

Next week I'll be a wascally wabbit.

I'll post updates.

 

To be honest, this thread likely needs to be closed. It was nonsense to start with and it hasn't gotten any better since then. I'm probably the guiltiest of anyone in taking it there,...........but so be it.

 

I agree, This thread started out bad and has steadily gotten worse.

 

Why are you such a negative nancy? And don't come at me with "I'm just being realistic" because at this point in the season anything can happen. And for you say that you are willing to bet we don't win the division is just being pessimistic. We don't come to this board to try to get eachothers hopes down we support our team.

Go back to Finheaven.

 

another game coming over the hill
don't get me wrong I understand where you are coming from
it's not the off season. plenty of time to vent
you with us or not

 

If you're analyzing the season then yeah, that would make more sense than trying to analyze a season after less than 25% of it had actually happened. Thats forecasting at best, and with the likelihood you're not scouring over charts, historical data and such its more like guessing. In other words; it may just prove to be a waste of time. The sample size is just too small. One out of sixteen is not going to give you anything other than 1/16th the information.

Thats like going on a date with a girl 3 times and saying you're going to be married and have 2 kids.......you have no idea and at best your day dreaming. You may be right, but it has little to do with relevant data, and a hell of a lot more to do with blind luck.

And he never said you couldn't gleam anything from one game, just that you can't base how one feels about a season off of it. Seemed pretty self explanatory.

 

here's the thing with that list though

colts have a questionable off line. questionable defense. its all peyton right now. history has proven they cant win it all when its only peyton

packers lost to the bears, have no run game and their defense is also not a terror

ravens have a poor passing game so far and ray rice is dinged up

saints have regressed and have an average defense and an average running game again. no way they win the SB playing this way

falcons are almost a mirror image of us so you cant have them as elite and not us

steelers seem like an elite team at the moment

so using your criteria there is only one elite team The Steelers. That's fair since they have been most impressive so far but it seems a pretty harsh criticism to be upset that we arent the best team in the NFL

 

I'm not saying you're irrational just harsh

 

The Jets have beaten the Blessed Patriots and us. That aint turmoil brother. The turmoil you speak of might be resultant of the media coverage who put that on the Jets. 2-1 at the top of the division with 2 division wins doesn't equal turmoil.

And I understand your hypothesis that our team will not make the playoffs or lose out in the first round. It's the easy prediction. It's easy to predict that a team that didn't make the playoffs last year, isn't going to make it this year. However, what we are here to do as fans is not restate what is statistically probable, but to look at our teams body of work and support them based on that. Our team has played great ball at times and have shown inconsistency at times. If we ever get into a consistent phase we can make the playoffs and go farther than the 1st round. If not, we might see a repeat performance from last year. Regardless of what outcome, we are going to root for our time and provide an optimistic prediction on what our team can do based off of their potential.

It's too easy to say, we are going to the playoffs this year after your team turns in a few 11-5 seasons. That's fair weather as it comes. Support them now and believe that they can make the playoffs and go further. They are the players and they believe they can do it so as part of the Dolphins organization, we should believe too!

 

I think the bigger thing is that you don't seem to notice is that this conversation may be going over your head. And not just from me, but from many posters.

Where did I say you're irrational? If that's how you feel that's your own personal issues. Please quote the part where I said you're irrational. If I wanted to do that I'd simply say; you're irrational, or you have no clue, or that you're an idiot. If I wanted to say that I would. Why would I have to try and be subtle? Why waste the time? If I thought you're an idiot the more words I used the worse it would be for you to understand anyway.

If you can't handle people questioning you then maybe you shouldn't put your ideas out there? Just an idea. If you're looking for defacto acceptance then I don't think the world outside your door is for you unfortunately.

I never defended anyone's position. Please find me where I did that. I'd like to see it. This I have to see. Or are you saying that by disagreeing with yours that I automatically imply I agree with his premise? Thats a leap of faith not even a religious zealot could make. The validity of your thoughts has nothing to do with his. I addressed your point, not his. And no I don't have a problem with people questioning you. Why would I? Who are you that your opinion is beyond questioning? Have you proven that your beliefs are in fact correct or more informed than anyone else's? Where's the evidence for it? Hell you haven't even qualified what elite is really yet no one should question you?

You must see everyone as a hypocrite if thats what makes someone hypocritical. Do you even understand how to use the word?

I can say your statement is off without it having anything to do with what the other guy said. If I was referencing the other guy I probably would have simply quoted his piece. I quoted yours. Your own specific delineation of time; a season carries with it inherently that there will be a prescribed period of time for the season to actually be a whole entity. As such, trying to analyze that season before it is complete is actually impossible. The season hasn't actually occurred yet, and as such you technically can't analyze the whole thing. That seems pretty self explanatory.

Just because you'd like to use 1/16th the information to make a judgment about a 16 game season and people say you're off base doesn't make them hypocritical. It just may be that in fact you're off base.

I've mentioned no one's rights. Argue and debate with whoever you want, but if you expect it to be private then don't use a public forum, use a telephone or something else. Post what you like, just don't expect people to gloss over the fact that the point you raised:

I guess we should all wait until the season is over before we make any analysis of the season.

I don't truly think you've looked at what you wrote.

To answer that question again simply, uh yeah.

How long is a season? Do we call each game a season? Or 4 games or 8? Then how else would we analyze a season unless it is finished first? Just forget the games we haven't played and take them as given outcomes? Thats the fallacy of begging the question, maybe even more than that. Thats what you missed, and what I pointed out - for which I'm being called hypocritical. It's not my fault you wrote that flawed statement - I had nothing to do with it. You wrote it as a snarky remark as if everyone else doesn't get it. When in fact you're the one who may not even fully understand the language you yourself used.

You can make analysis of PARTS of a season, a quarter, a fifth, whatever. But you can't take one game and use it as the basis for the whole season. It is nonsensical and sorry to say - wrong. The only way you can analyze a season is when you have a season's worth of data to do it with. That I would have thought was self explanatory. Afterall you wrote it and you're the guy who gets things earlier than most.

You also said that anyone who didn't agree with you accepted losing, had lower standards than yours and or was a loser. You spoke about how you're the one who gets it earlier than most. So don't start with the "how is that any different than his" nonsense. It's obvious how its different; he didn't come here and act like he was a know it all hot **** who would educate everyone else as to what is what. He didn't tell people who disagreed that they're losers and then talk about he wouldn't resort to insults and doesn't need the mods.

I layman's terms he didn't come across as an ******* who would tell everyone else what was what. And, if you don't agree then you're a loser. That difference is plain as day.

That's why people come at you, thats why people will tend to take your emotional knee jerk reactions to task. If you said the Dolphins are a second rate team because of 'x' and used some data to back it up you may have a better chance. Like saying the last 4 teams that allowed 31 points etc in this fashion haven't made the playoffs. Thats a statement that makes sense, it actually says something. And chances are you'd be able to argue using facts rather than name calling and such.

If I'm hypocritical have you noticed that you complained about being called names after doing it yourself? That is being hypocritical - Websters couldn't come up with a better example than you yourself provided. You act as if you're the brightest spark here, and even say as much and then make what would appear to be intellectually challenged sentences and challenge others who talk to you in the same way? But they're ****ed up? Uh huh. Have you overheard a pot talking to a kettle recently?

I have to ask how come someone who is by their own accord someone "who gets it earlier than most" doesn't have a clue as to what it going on? You are a walking contradiction and the more you do it, the more you look irrational. See, that time I did say it. I don't need to be subtle.

If you don't like how you're being treated, maybe you should go back to the beginning read what you said, insults condescension and all and come tell us all how we should treat you. It seems you're not getting anything more than you've dished out. You get what you give.


And throughout this thread you've never said once that the Jets actually won this game. We - the Dolphins - only lost the game. We were behind aside from 18 seconds of the game. That seems like the Jets doing a damn good job of winning the game. The assumption that a team that loses a game is a losing team is not even close to meritous. So every team we beat this year is a losing team as well, after all they must have found a way to lose the game they played against us. Especially if they play us as we are a team that finds ways to lose games. That would mean that the other team must have screwed up even more than we did. Have you ever just seen a game where one team just won the game. The Jets won that game. They put the drive together to get the TD late, and they deserve credit for doing it. If they didn't we were only 1 point behind, and we showed we could have gotten into field goal range quickly. While it might be nice to use a cool sounding thing like the whole thats what losing teams do they find ways to lose games here, until we start really finding ways to lose games - like turning the ball over late, fumbles, penalties........severe ****ups where we look inept, we aren't a losing team that finds ways to lose. We're more likely a team that lost a game to another team who actually won the game. The Jets deserve credit for putting that drive together to help seal the victory, and as it was that victory was in some doubt right up until the end.

Give the other team some credit instead of acting as if the only way they won was cause we threw the game away.

 

Just because I can't stand to see people argue and not try and get some of the action, I'm going to have to disagree with this statement. I'm not picking sides in the current arguement, as I feel its actually kind of pointless.

On one hand you have a guy that feels that since we lost the Jets game the season is over, and we are just another mid round pick team coming in this years draft. Which is actually crap. Like Conuficus is trying to tell you, it is just one game. The colts, the patriots, all of the superbowl winners have had a bad game in their season, how do you know this just wasn't our bad game, that we almost won??

On the other hand, I dont think you have to wait for a season to finish to make a judgement about the season. If had lost the first 6-8 games I would say this season sucks and our team is horrible, as would probably 85% of the rest of the posters in here.

Wow, I feel better now that I could get into this arguement. Keep it up guys, entertaining at the least

 

Hahaha....sorry guys that post was from me. Didn't realize she was still logged into my computer.

 

I agree with the analysis that says that we are currently a second tier team.

We have the opportunity to become a first tier team this year but we are not there yet.

 

I can't imagine going through life like this. Yeah, got all the nerves yeah of course you do. Like you said earlier "It gets lonely sometimes". I'm sure it does.

Oi vei.