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Artificial Sweeteners Part 1- a slow death! Please read if you use them

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by ToddsPhins, Aug 19, 2010.

  1. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    ARTIFICIAL SWEETENERS: If you guys and gals dont want to be consuming Chlorine or Formaldehyde, then I'd highly recommend NOT using artificial sweeteners, unless you'd like to jumpstart your embalming process..... but considering how freakin expensive funerals are, I wouldn't want to give those scoundrels any freebies. LOL.

    FYI: Splenda (or sucralose) was actually developed by mistake when British chemists were attempting to come up with a new insecticide. It was tasted by accident and found to be extremely sweet..... so now this yummy pesticide is poisoning us daily in a HUGE portion of the foods and beverages available to us. In our body it becomes an organochlorine. Agent Orange is a fu%#ing organochlorine. Please read:


    You guys ever notice the headaches and weird feeling you get after drinking lots of diet soda etc? I recommend looking at the ingredients and making sure they don't read sucralose (Spleda) or aspartame (nutrasweet & Equal).... or any of the fake sweeteners for that matter. This s#!t is literally the biggest drug conspiracy ALL F'N TIME. I kid you all not. If you guys are consuming this stuff, please do yourself a HUGE favor and stop immediately. SERIOUSLY.
     
  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I do not. Diet sodas taste gross.
     
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  3. ToddsPhins

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    Splenda Side Effects:
     
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  4. Lt Dan

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    most diet sodas don't use Splenda. I tasted a Diet Coke with Splenda once...spit it out and dumped the rest. HORRIBLE!!
     
  5. ToddsPhins

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    I agree. I hate their taste too... probably b/c we're not supposed to like how poison tastes..... so that, I don't know, we don't ingest them and poison ourselves. :shifty:

    Anyone ever notice that if artificial sweeteners are left out or spilled that ants and cockroaches don't go near them. :confused2:

    Just sayin. LOL.
     
  6. ToddsPhins

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    look at the ingredients. A good bit of them do use splenda, only the ingredients dont say the name "Splenda". They will say sucralose etc. The other sodas use aspartame which becomes formaldehyde. I believe Mountain Dew uses sucralose..... and all your calorie-free drinks use one of the 2. Same thing with all the "nutrient or supplement" bars, meal replacements, shakes, etc.

    For those, you guys should look for the ones that are natural, like Muscle Milk 'Naturals' (one of the few out there that don't use any type of artificial sweetener).
     
  7. USArmyFinFan

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    Man my wife uses that crap, and tells me that I am killing my self with sugar......irony
     
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  8. Section126

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    these "side effects" are verified by who?

    sounds completely made up to me.
     
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  9. Section126

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    Now...fear mongering aside...

    NOTHING artificially enhanced is good for you. The short answer is that Splenda is not good for you.

    Now, diet drinks? They are clearly better for you than the regular drinks. Although neither is good for you.
     
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  10. MikeHoncho

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    Well, what is life if not a little blood in your urine every now and then?
     
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  11. FinSane

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    I never really liked diet sodas but I did use to drink those Crystal Bay flavored waters since that's all my mom bought since didn't let us drink soda, back when I was a teenager. I used to get that weird, headache feeling after drinking it. After a while I just got sick of the feeling and I switched to drinking tea and water and the occasional soda. After doing research on it, especially aspartame, I always try to stay from anything with artificial sweetener in it that I know for sure has it.
     
  12. Stringer Bell

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    Coke Zero is great. Cherry Coke Zero is even better.

    You can find negative side effects in almost anything. Even water is toxic. I once heard that sunblock causes skin cancer.
     
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    gotta love that high frustose corn syrup eh....

    and you can blame that on big sugar and their price fixes and subsidies
     
  14. ToddsPhins

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    please tell me you're joking, Section.
     
  15. ToddsPhins

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    Diet drinks aren't better for you. What do you think they have in them? Sucralose and aspartame, the stuff that's used to make Splenda, Equal, and Nutrasweet.

    No, the short answer is not "Splenda is not good for you". If you want that to be your answer, then please start your own thread. :wink2: The short answer is Splenda can massively harm you.

    And this is NOTHING close to fear mongering. For someone as smart as yourself, I really didn't peg you for the ignorant, gullible type. Honestly.
     
  16. ToddsPhins

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    String.... I love you man.... but you really need to get a clue on this. I'm not some babbling, pessimistic, worrying idiot who hears something in passing and feels the need to tell it to the world.

    My wife used to drink diet Mountain Dew (aspartame) about 3 times a day. She began having LOTS of health issues: heart palpitations (went to the Dr due to how bad they became), cramping, bloating, mood swings, anxiety & panic attacks to where she'd suddenly have to breath into a paper bag, visual problems, tinnitus, very frequent nausea & vomiting, severe fatigue, frequent heartburn & indigestion that caused ulcers, extreme joint pain, missing periods, night sweats, complained about sounds hurting her ears, constant headaches, gained weight despite no change in diet, dizziness & fatigue- she would out of no where start to feel faint and then just completely black out/pass out. If she were standing, I would have to try and catch her before she collapsed to the ground.... but sometimes I couldn't catch her in time. Doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with her and her bloodwork was out of whack. She used to be like you, thinking that all this stuff about artificial sweeteners etc is just overblown propaganda. I finally got her to quit drinking the stuff, and wouldn't you know it-- outside of the tinnitus, ALL of her symptoms ceased. Oh.... and by the way, she's also been battling breast cancer.... which is premature for her age. :wink2:

    These aren't just negative side effects..... not even close. But you know what, go ahead and keep drinking your coke zero and cherry coke zero...... and then see how nonchalantly you care about their side effects when you have a neurological disorder in a few years.... or cancer. For someone so intelligent, I didn't think you'd want to sacrifice any of it while it slowly destroys your brain. Let me know when the mental fog begins to kick in! You think it's a coincidence that disease and illness in this country is through the roof or that babies born with disorders and defects are freakishly high?

    I'll tell you what. I'll make a bet with you, and I'll give you 2000-1 odds: When you're ready to have a kid some day, have your <wife> drink 3 or 4 coke zeros a day during her pregnancy and we'll see if you're kid isn't born with Autistism or some other disorder, condition, or illness. Then I'll give you my address and you can mail me my dollar. ;)
     
  17. ToddsPhins

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    Section & String, did either of you even read the quote or did you just decide to randomly post b/c you read the thread opening?

    But I'm sure you guys have a lot more experience with the subject than the author listed below. How naive of me to believe a word that this quack says after seeing first hand what my wife experienced. :smackhead: I'm sorry to everyone reading this thread for my "fear mongering" and "exaggeration" of such a silly, harmless topic.
     
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  18. Stringer Bell

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    Theres no evidence that those things were caused by diet soda, as opposed to say, drinking water, air pollution, alcohol, contaminated soil, low levels of radiation, asbestos, or dozens of other things. Not to mention Mtn. Dew has twice as much caffeine as most sodas. So 3-4 of those is about 6-7 Cokes. 6-7 servings of caffeine to a female will certainly cause issues.

    Is Splenda healthy? Probably not. But I would say the same thing about corn syrup.
     
  19. Stringer Bell

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    Again, I can find studies that will say almost anything is bad for you. Water itself will kill you if you consume too much.
     
  20. Stitches

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    I'm actually sure you are exaggerating a little bit (just based on the thread title alone), even if unintentionally.

    Pulled straight from your "article:"

    Let me say again:
    Despite all the author's research which has you banging the drum, he still has no proof that it is so terrible. He thinks it is, but can't be sure yet. He just wants to sell his diet plan.

    Yes, it sucks that your wife had all those problems, but not everyone is the same. Not everyone has the same experience to each and every drug out there on the market. Some people can get killed by all-natural peanuts for example, while plenty of others have no issue at all. That doesn't make peanuts a killer, it just means people react differently. All human bodies are not identical, nor are their immune systems, nor are their reactions to any/all inputs (light/sound/taste/smell/etc).

    Should I go and post the "reported" side effects of sunlight or alcohol? They can be pretty terrible, but doesn't mean that every person will suffer from them.

    I appreciate you wanting to "help" show people the right way, but this article isn't it IMO.
     
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  21. Stitches

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    Or if you hold it in too long.
     
  22. Section126

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    What do you think regular drinks have in them?

    I have been drinking diet drinks out of habit my entire life. COKE ZERO is the nectar of the gods. With some Jack Daniels..it is Nirvana.

    I have yet to experience ANY of those side effects. and I mean...ANY.

    Thus why I called it fear mongering.

    I also love the "Hey, you are really smart..but damn, you are one dumb mother****er!"

    I disagree that this is the plague of the 21st century. I do agree that Splenda is very bad for you and probably poison.
     
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  23. Lt Dan

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    I can tell...it's an entirely different taste. and personally I don't care....everything kills us.
     
  24. ToddsPhins

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    and how about the caffeine free MD? did you think about that one in your rebuttle? Apparently not b/c that's the only MD she drank. nice try with your list...... sorry, but she doesn't drink tap water or alcohol. Air pollution? we live in NC. Asbestos? nice try. Low levels of Radiation? We didn't live next to a nuclear power plant. No, she didn't eat paint chips as a kid either.

    As bad as corn syrup is for you, it's still not a deadly chemical. You're not forced to drink any of it. There is an alternative.

    Only in America are people excessively gullible (not directed at you). The symptoms of this stuff are widely documented.... and if you want to ingest chemicals that were initially meant to be an insecticide or are converted to formaldehyde in your system, then that's all you brother.
     
  25. ToddsPhins

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    Spare me your holy "Let me say again". If you want to practice selective reading, then that's all you. I already know you like to argue for the sake of arguing b/c it makes you feel good to prove others wrong by using discrepancies in their posts. :wink2:

    If you think I'm just basing this ONLY off my wife's experience, then you're sadly mistaken! I didnt just spontaneously google the stuff and pull 1 article out of my arse.

    It's a fact that chlorine in this state is a health hazzard. Don't believe me, take a big whiff of it and see if you don't stop breathing. It's also no secret that formaldehyde is a health hazzard. The "only time will tell" comment is b/c these products are still relatively new and it gradually wears on the body over years. It's not an immediate thing like arsenic poisoning. The guy has to basically cover his arse by saying the "only time will tell" comment. Do you not know how this country works yet?
     
  26. ToddsPhins

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    That's the most ignorant thing I've ever read. Chlorine absorbed in this state is a poison. PERIOD! Formaldehyde is toxic to humans. PERIOD!

    Some people's systems might do a better job of eliminating it to an extent based on how much is consumed, but it does NOT change the fact that they are toxic.

    people know the effects of alcohol, so they can consume at their own risks. Alcohol is still not in the same league as chlorine or formaldehyde. Sunlight? are u kidding me? Sunlight isn't toxic. Give me a friggin break
     
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    It takes years of drinking the stuff before side effects begin showing up..... my wife drank the stuff for a long time before she experienced any of it, and then all of a sudden her symptoms and problems began piling on as if they were exponential.

    I experienced a few of the effects myself...... most of it dealt with fogginess of the brain... headaches.... night sweats..... fatigue..... anxiety.... abnormal joint pain..... liver problems..... showed symptoms of being pre-Hodgkins. But I drank the stuff for years before I felt anything. As soon as I stopped, everything disappeared. I'm not one of those crazy "worry monger" hypochondriacs who makes a big deal out of minor crap. Far from it actually. You guys can delete the thread. I could really care less. I'll even save you the time and do it for you.:knucks:
     
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  28. Stitches

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    http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/diseases/skin_cancer.html
    Yup sunlight isn't toxic, it's just linked to cancer. :rolleyes:
     
  29. Rocky Raccoon

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    I drink diet Mountain Dew 3 times a day and haven't experienced any of those things.
     
  30. Stringer Bell

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    Not yet. Don't worry, its coming. Unless, you buy some supplements. Something to detoxify yourself :wink2:
     
  31. NaboCane

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    The truth is that each individual's body processes substances differently; some people can function high on marijuana - some suffer a degree of impairment much higher; some can smoke cigarettes to the tune of 2 packs a day and not get sick - most develop cancer, emphysema or any combination of the many diseases associated with smoking.

    And some people process the formaldehyde into which aspartame/equal metabolizes in the human body without side effect, while others (me and about 50% of the people I've ever known) manifest symptoms ranging from headaches, to migraines, to seizures.

    Aspartame and high fructose corn syrup are two prime examples of how capitalism goes wrong with an absolute lack of real, effective regulation of industry.

    First there came cyclamates in the '60s; sweet, innocuous, as harmless as anything artificial ever comes.

    But cyclamates had been around already for years when they began to be used in diet pops and other products, so there wasn't a proprietary element - and, therefore, not as huge a profit to be made.

    So manufacturers commissioned a "study," bought and paid for - fake result included - by them, and presented it to the FDA as proof that cyclamates caused cancer. As a result, cyclamates were banned in the US, although they continue to be used in other countries to this day without any greater incident of cancer or of any other side effects.

    The happy chemical manufacturers now got their new, profitable pet product saccharine approved as the predominant artificial sweetener on the market.

    Cut to years later, and the exclusive patent runs out on saccharine; lo and behold, another "study" is commissioned which shows that saccharine caused cancer! And guess what? The chemical manufacturers had a new, improved artificial sweetener waiting in the wings to conveniently replace the now-less-profitable saccharine: aspartame!

    So aspartame became the predominant artificial sweetener and remains so even today, even though shortly after its introduction reports started making the news of dangerous side effects from consuming the sweetener.

    As far back as the '80s I can recall reading science articles about the accidental discovery of something they then called "left-handed sugar." It was a chemical mirror-image of sugar, identical in effect and sweetness, but because of its "opposite" molecular nature, the human body didn't process it as sugar, although it sweetened identically to sucrose (table sugar) and it simply was flushed through the body without effect.

    It was called Tagatose, and no trial of it has ever proven it to be anything but sweet as sugar, with no side effects.

    Guess what happened to Tagatose? The production rights bounced around from one company to another for years without ever coming to market, culminating in 2006 when a German company which acquired the rights inexplicably shut down all plans to produce the sweetener for use in the EU.

    In 2006 a Belgian company finally acquired the rights to Tagatose with the intention of mass-producing it under the brand name Nutrilatose; it is currently in use only in Belgium and France.

    Now, Splenda/sucralose; any claims of any detrimental side effects attributable to the product are, plain and simple, bull****.

    I personally don't like it at all; in coffee it tastes metallic and cloying, and in baking it does impart sweetness and stands up to heat without breaking down at the molecular level like aspartame (there's that pesky formaldehyde again), but it does not have the moistening and textural benefits of sugar, so I just have no use for it at all.

    But to attribute detrimental side effects to Splenda on the scale of the truly-harmful aspartame is irresponsible and only serves to inure people to the real dangers of the latter.

    Now, you want to talk about the REAL scourge of the last 30 years? HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP.

    For the most part the American public, with its 10-second attention span and need to be stimulated every 60 seconds or it loses interest, cannot get past the "corn syrup" part of the product's name, and naively assumes it is just good old, harmless corn syrup.

    In fact, it is 55% corn syrup combined at the molecular level with glucose, creating a truly artificial sweetener which is many times sweeter than sucrose and does not crystallize in shipping.

    The problem? Well, aside from this, there's the issue that your body does not process it in the stomach as it does sucrose or fructose or any other truly natural sweetener, and passes it off to the liver and kidneys, taxing them in unnatural ways and causing them to age faster than the rest of your body.

    Also - and this is where the obesity epidemic of the last 30 years can be traced back directly to the beginning of HFCS's replacement of sugar in pops and other products - the organs have such a hard time with it that they just pass it, unprocessed, into your bloodstream. That then causes sugar spikes and accounts for the many-fold increase in type-2 diabetes in countries where HFCS is used heavily; also, it paradoxically causes the pancreas to secrete less insulin to break down blood sugar, allowing the elevated levels to persist.

    So if you want to talk about an artificial sweetener needing to be 100% banned, go for high fructose corn syrup, and watch diabetes, obesity and related disease incidences drop.

    THAT's the real epidemic, the real plague.
     
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    Damn, am I happy I dont even like diet soda and anything not sweet enough to contain natural sugar and high fructose! :lol:

    In all seriousness I stopped drinking soda entirely a long time ago,except for the occasional Jack and Coke. Looks more and more like Juice, Water, and alcohol are the ways to go.

    Thank you Todds. My Mom uses this crap religiously. I just dumped it all in the garbage this evening after dinner. I'm awaiting the ensuing phone call when I can tell her again just how toxic that crap is. :rolleyes:
     
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    Actually, it doesn't necessarily, Todd.

    When it first appeared, my ex-wife was drinking 2-3 cans of diet soda a day...not excessive at all.

    While she had done this all her life, suddenly when aspartame began to be used she started experiencing debilitating headaches, then migraines, and finally experiencing a seizure and loss of consciousness at work one day.

    It simply depends on the individual.

    What cannot be denied is how the human body metabolizes aspartame, and the nasty chemicals that result.
     
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    Actually no study has EVER shown any negative health effects of artificial sweetner consumed in the same amounts as sugar. This guy would be the first "credible" one out of many attempts if true, which I doubt.
     
  35. Zeke0123

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    Slightly OT but not really...recently my wife went to a nutritionist to help her with some gastro and other issues..her basic advice before test were run (food allergies etc) was to get rid of all the "junk" anything with more than 6 or 7 ingredients on the label..my wife had been eating anything and everything with "fat free" on the label...get real butter real cheese real bread etc etc so since im married to her Ive also had to do the same.

    let me tell you guys all something its only been three weeks being on a "natural" diet and I haven't felt this good in years..aches pains energy level focus everything has gotten better and im not as strict as her I still go "off" the diet at work since its just easier for me but I wont be doing even that much longer..not trying to preach but I certainly didnt feel like anything was "wrong" before I started this and come to find out I wasnt as "healthy" as I thought I was..in fact what I considered normal was actually pretty ****ty.

    take it for what its worth.

    I could go on a lot longer about it but don't want to hijack...If you've got any questions ill be glad to pm with you Ive started doing some research on my own and you would be pretty surprised how much ****ed up **** we eat and drink.
     
  36. NaboCane

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    A point of information about studies, Alex: none of them are conducted independently anymore. Not like in the past.

    They're all bought and paid for by industry, results included.

    Pu it this way: Let's say that instead of being in use for decades, cigarettes only came into heavy use 25 years ago.

    Unlike the many government studies of the 1950s and '60s which proved over time the connection between smoking and disease, the studies commissioned today would not be independently made by our government - they would be conducted by "independent" laboratories, which translates loosely to "for-profit entities selling their services to the highest bidder."

    For 30 years we have seen the same cause-and-effect relationship between the introduction and increased use of high fructose corn syrup and the increase of obesity, type-2 diabetes and other weight-related disease - as that between smoking cigarettes and related disease. Yet study after study "proves" no direct causal effect, and therefore we continue to see it used liberally, killing thousands indirectly.

    If that scenario of smoking being studied today as a cause of disease were reality, you would NEVER see any anti-smoking legislation.
     
  37. Rocky Raccoon

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    What about diet Snapple? If I wanted to drink something that was healthy and had no calories and wasn't water what would I drink?
     
  38. MikeHoncho

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    Purple drank still safe or...?
     
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  39. NaboCane

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    Read the ingredients.

    I don't drink Snapple so I'm not familiar.

    I'm sure their site has nutritional info.
     
  40. NaboCane

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    Yes. :yes:

    :up:
     

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