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the new Jason Allen

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by the 23rd, Aug 7, 2010.

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  1. MikeHoncho

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    Unless the "new" Jason Allen looks like this
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    ...I really just don't care for this story. It's been 4 years of lowering expectations with that guy. I don't expect jack from J-Allen at this point.
     
  2. ToddsPhins

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    Ok.... now I read it this time.

    If a young kid can't handle sitting behind someone who might "hypothetically" (I repeat- HYPOTHETICALLY) be better at THIS JUNCTURE, then the kid has some serious mental issues, is a liability, and shouldn't be starting in the first place if he's that unstable.

    What kind of message does this send to the rest of your team when they see you showing favoritism like this?--- that you'd actually sit someone who is "hypothetically" more deserving of starting?! Who do you think this kind of poor player management TRULY affects? You're only thinking about Smith. What about the bigger picture?..... What about the rest of the team, veterans, etc who watch this bias transpire? You don't think actions like this can deaden the morale (to a degree) of the rest of the team? All you're doing is teaching them that hard work and dedication isn't rewarded appropriately. Then all of a sudden you have a bunch of guys playing for themselves as our precious sense of team hurls itself out a 12th story window. LOL
     
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  3. NaboCane

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    Ugh.

    This is what happens when a "fringe" guy sticks around, and sticks around, and sticks around...eventually somebody goes down, or they can't find the player they want, or some self-styled "genius" coach gets it in his head that he can make Shinola from ****.

    For the record: I would LOVE it if Allen suddenly "got it" and became even half the player the gurus thought he would be. But it's not going to happen.

    What will happen is that maybe, at best, Allen will shine a bit in preseason only to **** the bed when it counts.

    That's who he is.
     
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  4. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Obviously judging by the rant your beef is more with Sparano than with me. I'm not sure what to tell you but hey if you think Will Allen not starting kills the locker room...except that might be a little premature.
    The throwing Smith under the bus witch hunt has come way too early IMO.
     
  5. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Especially when you conisder that Marshall has been torching EVERYONE.
    Honestly I'd be more worried if Brandon had been practicing like garbage.
     
  6. alen1

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    Your last few words are the keywords IMO. The two that stand out to the most are "mental mistakes" and I think that's something that you can't have at the backline of your defense. Some disagree with me that safety is not a important position and a "core" position, to quote Ireland, but I think it is. A smart safety makes your defense from bad to respectable. A smart and physically talented safety takes your defense from respectable to elite IMO. Jason Allen lacks the make up at the safety position IMO, therefore he has not succeeded at the job he was brought in to do.
     
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  7. alen1

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    There isn't one safety in the league that's on Ed Reed's level IMO. Not one. When Reed is fit, its tough to argue against him. The late Sean Taylor was getting very good at the position IMO, as he became more disciplined, but his potential was never realized because of unfortunate circumstances, as we all know.

    One guy I really like at FS is Tanard Jackson of Tampa. He was a cornerback in college and they've made him into a real nice player IMO.
     
  8. Nappy Roots

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    Range has little to do with speed..

    JA is not a good defensive player. He's a good not great STs player. But that's it.
     
  9. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    interesting...
    nothing I haven't heard before
    about Jason & many other players
    let's see how the season unfolds
    wishing the best possible year
    for every Miami Dolphin on the roster

    this has become, as often it does
    a forum bashing session (attack mode)
    maybe the negativity & venom
    are justified, maybe they are not

    only the coach makes the decision
    as to who plays where on this team
    & his decisions will have to play the game

    the defensive backfield is a work in progress
    much to be done to get to NFL level competition
    & not much time to get it right for the season
    the FreeSafety remains our Achilles's heel
    this is reality...
     
  10. rafael

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    I think it depends on how many decisions you force him to make. I don't believe for a second that Clemons would have only made 1 mental error in 200 some snaps this TC if he were playing in Saban's system. I also think that J. Allen would have made considerably fewer mental errors even as a rookie if he were being used as Clemons is now. When you have physically talented athletes who try hard, they will eventually have seen most everything that can be thrown at them and then the decisions become easier. I think of the QB Testaverde, who was dumb as a box of rocks and playing a mentally challenging position. Even he was eventually considered a "smart, veteran QB" simply b/c he hung around long enough and had seen just about everything enough times.
     
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  11. dee jay

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    IDK, but Allen played awesome yesterday!!

    Really good.

    Hope he finally got it!!
     
  12. FanMarino

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    Hes a poor mans defensive version of Jim Jensen. Ok .....maybe not. :shifty:
     
  13. Ozzy

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    Speed has much to do with range and he has been pretty solid on ST's.
     
  14. Robert Horry

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    Not sure if I agree with this concept.

    To quote Vic Koenning, the defensive coordinator at Clemson during Clemons tenure...

    Thats basically 3 years without a major gaffe or mental mistake.

    On the other hand, Jason Allen has a mental lapse about every 8-10 plays.
     
  15. ckparrothead

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    Two things I am NOT buying yet:

    1. That Jason Allen has reinvented himself
    2. That Patrick Turner has reinvented himself
     
  16. padre31

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    For me, I always thought JA was more of an in the box safety because of his size and speed combination, but failing that I thought he would be a good Cb blitzer for the same reason.

    As for those who wish to see Jason Allen at Safety..dude just never showed aptitude for the job, he is a decent backup Cb/Special Teamer, I think he can do a bit more than he has and think if Allen has anything, Mike Nolan will bring it out of him.
     
  17. Nappy Roots

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    Range has more to do with Angles, ability to get jumps and ability to make reads. Speed is rendered useless when the guy doesnt start running till the ball is almost in the receivers arms.

    Speed obviously has some to do with range. But saying someones 40 time in regards to their range means nothing.
     
  18. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I'll tell ya, what a shot in the arm it would be if this kid turned it on this year guys....
     
  19. Den54

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    JA plays special teams well enough to secure a roster spot imo.
     
  20. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    only playing a real game will tell...
     
  21. Ozzy

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    You can take the best angle possible but if you don't have closing speed, you will lose more often than not. Allen has that!

    Jason Allen at least showed he could make a play or two at Safety. Albeit very very few times, he's been better there than at Cb.
     
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  22. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Jason Allen will get an honest, unbiased look from Coach Nolan
    berate no one. support all & let them compete. be not surprised
     
  23. Ozzy

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    Is this written like God speak? lol
     
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  24. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    don't know what the Almighty has to say about the Dolphins or how he would say it....pretension has its limits...just not gonna go there
     
  25. Ozzy

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    With all respect, it is sometimes hard for me to comprehend perfect english which makes it alot harder to sometimes understand all of your meanings....
     
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  26. NJFINSFAN1

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  28. jim1

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    I wonder if any Dolphin defender has the range of Jason Allen, in a physical sense. Whether his mind can get him where he needs to be is another issue. I keep going to training camp a couple of years ago- Jason Allen was maybe THE physical standout of the whole team- dude was fast and moved like a big cat. Extremely impressive. Then the team started scrimmaging- Allen was almost always near where he should be but was consistently getting beat. Dude was not a play maker. Then again, in the regular season when he got in the games he made some plays- int against Chicago iirc. He's a physically gifted tease who never put it all together- he's a ST standout and a decent backup DB. That's his niche, that's his role, that's his legacy. Nothing to write home about, but he serves a purpose. Carroll will overtake him quickly if he hasn't already.
     
  29. jaxdolfan

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    One thing is for sure...

    If the coaches didn't see something in him...he'd be gone by now. He is obviously better than gerbil wilson.
     
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  30. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    just never know
    watch the two forum whipping boys under the new defensive coordinator
    may be in for a surprise
    Jason Allen & Channing Crowder may finally come into their own w/Nolan
    just never know


    PS wouldn't sell Solai short either
     

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