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Henne vs. Sanchez: Sophomore Slump

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Da-PhinZ, Jun 23, 2010.

  1. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    The thing is, is that you have no logic. You're thinking totally with Puke Green glasses on, and saying things like Drew Brees is the reason why NO's might have a better foursome of Wr's helps prove it....lmao.

    You also seem to forget that the Jetsons let their best Rb go and are now relying on almost an entirely different set of runners. Yeah, they're the best alright....lmao
     
  2. GMJohnson

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    Playoffs = 3 games. Regular season = 16 games. And he was hurt in the Colts game, remember? If he runs the way he did in the playoffs, he wont make it to the bye week. Im just sayin. And no I havent forgotten, you'll be sportin the Fins logo on your avi come September my friend :up:.
     
  3. the 23rd

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    Henne will supersede 'the other guy' because he has had better preparation to assume the role @ QB, has @ least as much raw ability, has Thigpen & Pennington looking over his shoulder & is surrounded by better talent & coaching this is the year of the Dolphin & that's nothing to jest about...the IceMan will prevail in 2010
     
  4. villain the foe

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    You opinion has substance, in regards to talking football. As for your other thoughts, I'll dismiss it because arguing with a person who can only get his point across by saying "puke green" and the Jetsons you cannot argue with.


    Anyway, My question was who has a better 4 target and better oline?

    The saints dont have both. If I said who has a better 4 target and QB then you and a few others here would have a point. Thats not what I said though.

    As for the Running game. Shonn has proven that he can play the position and be effective on the field. This is a fact. The downside of this is that he was injuried twice this year, which with conditioning and bulk can help that.

    The fact that you cant consider those things yet question my logic is WORSE than saying puke green, and Jetsons while thinking that a shoe phone is cool.


    No.
     
  5. villain the foe

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    I have to consider that his injuries would be criticized, though I'll chose the latter and say that his production on the field against the playoff caliber teams would be more considerable given that he's had this summer to heal his body as well as bulk up.

    Grenne is a guy who wasnt known for fumbling the ball nor being injury prone. Those two things happened to him this year....given that this is the big boys league. He's no longer a rookie and he's around one of the best conditioning teams in the league.
     
  6. LandShark13

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  7. PS17

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    As evidenced earlier in the thread, the Henne vs. Sanchez debate always comes down to a pissing match. I think I'll avoid it this time. :yes:
     
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  8. PS17

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    Come again? Marshall had more drops than Braylon Edwards last year. Holmes drops the ball a lot too.
     
  9. LandShark13

    LandShark13 New Member

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    You know whats funny is as much of a pissing contest that this debate always turns into the Blog by Tim Graham where he asked JT who he thought was better had both dolphin fans and Jet fans united in the "what a dumb F'n question" camp =)
     
  10. Ozzy

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    Of course my opinions have substance and you will hardly ever see me type the correct wording of any AFC East rival teams name. So you'll either have to get over that or move to the next guy. It's not typed because I'm arguing with anyone.

    You're questions? You clearly stated that YOUR TEAM has the best 4 Wr's, the best Oline, and the best running game, and while we're at it, the best defense as well. Sounds like a Super Bowl party at your house is already in the works, so yep, I once again will tell you to take off those puke green glasses because your oline is solid, not the best though, and your Wr's are solid but also and once again, not the best in the league, and your running game, once again, is almost entirely different in personel so yep, I say you're still looking thru those glasses.

    The defense is absolutely one of the better in the league though. Absolutely so...

    And how do I know all this? Because that's actually your coach on the other line calling my shoe phone to tell me to take everything you say with a grain of salt because it's very clear, you overlook and inflate things to a degree... :up:
     
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  11. Phinatic425

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    Holmes can be amazing at times, but he is not always like that. Especially with all of his off-field problems.
     
  12. PS17

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    I'll raise you.

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  13. Ozzy

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    Yeah Marshall was near the top in drops but it's kind of hard to compare him to Edwards when one had 101 catches and the other less than 50
     
  14. PS17

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    True. I was just using it to make a point. Marshall doesn't have very good hands either.
     
  15. LandShark13

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    Wow, Im going to have to file that Gif away. Thank you!
     
  16. Ozzy

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    Don't make me post the Ted Ginn Jr. and Snoop Dogg - Drop it Like it's Hot video....oh yeah, he's gone.
     
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  17. Ozzy

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    I don't think he's considered to have bad hands. He has a lot of passes thrown his way but he surely is not in the group "The Good Hands People".
     
  18. Makados10

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    I don't think either Henne or Sanchez will have a "sophomore" slump themselves. I think they both improve their stats considerably to be honest.

    Both teams have top 5 offensive lines that have a good young draft pick.

    I think the Dolphins and Jets receivers got better.

    I think both teams' running backs are a little worse. Dolphins got a year older and Brown/Cobbs coming off injuries. The Jets lost two good ones from last year in Jones/Washington. As a FSU fan, I loved and hated seeing Washington carve us up.

    It's going to be a really fun season in the AFC East.
     
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  19. MikeHoncho

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    How could Sanchez possibly slump down from 20 INTs?
     
  20. villain the foe

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    His drops are overrated. Andre Johnson, Marques Colston, Dwayne Bowe, Randy Moss, Brandon Marshall, Donald Driver, Hines Ward, Wes Welker, both Steve Smith's, Chad Ochocinco, Derrick Mason, Roddy White, Calvin Johnson, Michael Crabtree (Even though he missed half the year), TJ Houshmanzadeh, etc all had more drops than Braylon Edwards. Edwards only had 4 drops last year. His drops are on easy passes that any WR should catch, that's why he takes a lot of heat for it. But he more than makes up for it with catches that no other receiver could make. So "Edwards has the dropsies" is completely false. No doubt he doesn't have the greatest hands in the league, but he's farrrr from the worst hands too.
     
  21. villain the foe

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    In respects to Marshall Catching a shyte load of passes though. On top of the fact that I seen Braylon drop 2 TD passes last year...which one was in a playoff game.


    Im can be a Jet fan but give credit where credit is due. Marshall drops the football, but also catches 20+ passes in a game. Braylon like Marshall Holmes, you got to take what you can get and cut your losses.
     
  22. villain the foe

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    You'll have a "special" seat at my place for the Superbowl. I'll let you watch it through those glasses too.
     
  23. GMJohnson

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    C'mon man. You gotta chill with the "Jets best at this Jets best at that". Now theyre one of the best conditioning team? Lol. Admit, you havent the slightest idea what the Rams, Chiefs, Cardinals, Dolphins or any other non Jets team does for conditioning. Youre feleing good about your team, which is cool. But when you articulate it, your logic falls to pieces.

    The Saints are the only team with a better OL and better WRs, fair enough. And theres no team in the league with a better QB and punter than the Raiders, which means absolutely nothing as well.

    Shonn Greene, was hurt twice in the few times he carried the ball last year. He runs very hard, I would say recklessly. And he seemed to have a fumbling issue. Now he's being counted on to carry the run game for a full season against some very physical defenses (Miami, NE, Pitt, Baltimore, Cincy, Minneasota, Green Bay) among others. LT is there, McKnight is there, and neither one of them will do much of anything without a gaping hole in front of them, and those will be in short supply vs the teams listed above. Which means either Sanchez will throw alot more than he did last year, or Greene will be overworked and lose effectivness as the year goes on. He definitely wont be held in reserved and unleashed on the league without a bruise on him late in the year. I almost feel sorry for Jets fans. Blinded by the acquisitions, and not paying attention to whats going on with thier team.
     
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  24. Anonymous

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    With the exception of Crabtree and Bowe, they were all thrown at WAY more than Edwards. They had more chances, thus more drops.

    The reason we say he has bad hands is because he has bad hands. He dropped 19 passes in 2008 and in 07, dropped 10 when 80 were thrown at him.
     
  25. PhinsRock

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    You make me laugh, how did your so called best D and best OL and best WR's (Holmes not included) fare against our "lesser " team last season? Oh, that's right you lost both games, seems to me that is the ONLY thing that matters. I'll name the team that beat you twice last year, and will beat you twice this year: Miami. Funniest part is, in your heart of hearts, putting your homerism away, you KNOW this is true!

    I so look forward to watching Rex cry again this season, so entertaining! :lol:
     
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  26. Crappy Tipper

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    All I know is which 1 team swept that other 1 team with the top 4 weapons and best O line.
     
  27. villain the foe

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    Glad you know it was a "lesser" team.

    We had bigger plans though, You won the battle, but we won the war.

    And for where my "heart" stands, let me explain: AFC Championship? Playoffs? Your season wins were for nothing after week 17. But you seen us playing though. Im not sure about you, but I certainly chalked that up for a victory. Hey, I'll even provide this for you.

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-jets/09000d5d818cefeb/Top-10-games-of-2009

    As I said in another thread. ENJOY IT.....BECAUSE THE COUNTDOWN IS ON!
     
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    Marshall has a bunch of drops. I think in 2008 he had like 16?

    http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/07/28/nfl-executives-question-brandon-marshalls-consistency-hands/

    But the offset is that he gets a lot of balls thrown his way (ewwww) and gets a lot of receptions. But I see one stat thrown around that he had 18 passed dropped in 2008 which is a lot. I'm trying to track down the stats.
     
  30. LandShark13

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    I posted this table with the receivers you had mentioned sorted by % drops per reception in another thread but I will post it here as well.

    [TABLE="head; width=50%"]Name|Team|Rec|Drops|% Drop
    Greg Camarillo|MIA|50|0|0.000
    Jerricho Cotchery|NYJ|57|2|0.035
    Steve L. Smith|CAR|65|3|0.046
    Wes Welker|NE|123|6|0.049
    Steve Smith|NYG|107|6|0.056
    Roddy White|ATL|85|6|0.071
    David Clowney|NYJ|14|1|0.071
    Hines Ward|PIT|95|7|0.074
    Calvin Johnson|DET|67|5|0.075
    Brandon Marshall|DEN|101|8|0.079
    Derrick Mason|BLT|73|6|0.082
    Chad Johnson|CIN|72|6|0.083
    Andre Johnson|HST|101|9|0.089
    Davone Bess|MIA|76|7|0.092
    Randy Moss|NE|83|8|0.096
    Brian Hartline|MIA|31|3|0.097
    Michael Crabtree|SF|48|5|0.104
    Braylon Edwards|NYJ|45|5|0.111
    Donald Driver|GB|70|8|0.114
    Marques Colston|NO|70|10|0.143
    Dwayne Bowe|KC|47|9|0.191[/TABLE]


    As we can see Edwards percentage of drops per reception is pretty low when compared to other receivers on your list. It's not horrid though when compared to the rest of the pack. He has all the skills in the world. He just needs to pick his game up and I'm not sold that he can.
     
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  31. jdang307

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    Colston and Bowe pretty high up there. Damn Greg C, how can anyone say he's the odd man out? I kick bess to the curb before Greg C, and I love Bess! But I ain't stupid.
     
  32. DOLPHAN1

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    alright, alright. Enough is enough. Good God Man! Really? Let's see, game 16 and two to go Miami and the Jests are tied and Miami has the tie breaker, Sexy Rexy is in tears because he thinks his team is falling apart...

    Two mail-it-in games later and the Jests BACK into the playoffs and you win the war? Granted, after dumbing down the playbook for Sanchez, the Jests did take advantage until they ran into the real Colts. Please! If not for Cincy and Indy laying down the Jests finish 7-9 and third in the AFC, behind Miami. I don't care about your #1 running game that no longer features the #1 RB's or the #1 OL or #1 D and for good measure throw in your #1 conditioned team in the league...

    Bottom line; Henne will have a better year because he has more support, has more experience and, in less games has played much, much better. that's a fact. Sure is. :yes:
     
  33. villain the foe

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    And as I said in the other thread, you can post this stat and it can make it seem to the untrained eye that Edwards and his percentage is "bad", yet this goes to show that he catches 90% of the passes thrown to him which would make him an NFL elite and within the top WR's percentage wise in the entire league.

    Trying to make Braylon look bad will also Make Driver and Superbowl Winning #1 WR Cholson look like chumps too because they catch "Less" than 90% with Cholston catching only 85%

    So really, how does this make me look like some looney toon? I dont know, I just know that he had less drops than all the names I mentioned and by your own stats he catches the ball 90% of the time in a brand new offense with a rookie QB.

    I think he has room for growth. I'll stay in the clouds so I can continue to :crapstrom: on you fin fans lol.
     
  34. DOLPHAN1

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  36. Zeke0123

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    Marshall had 1 less Drop then Andre Johnson (same receptions) who is considered to have "Elite" hands..So I might be willing to give Marshall average or "decent" hands but you Pets fans saying he has bad hands is a Joke.
     
  37. villain the foe

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    Call it what you want, but history has been written. Better yet, how DARE you call it "lay down" games as if thats what we needed. Maybe the Fins need some lay down games because if I recall correctly you guys were 7-6 headed into week 15 and in control of your own destiny and you went up against the Titans playing for pride and you LOSS, You went up against the Texans also playing for a playoff spot and you LOSS, then you had the Steelers at home and you LOSS your way out of the playoffs, after having a 2 game advantage on the "JESTS". lmao.

    Let me say this, if you and your other fin pals are going to talk about winning "lay down" games, then you guys better win those MUST WIN games in order to talk shyte. Cuz all you guys have are 2 wins against the Jets that didnt mean ANYTHING because you guys couldnt finish...while the Jets went in and spanked the Bengals who WERENT laying down in a playoff game and the Chargers who were the hottest team in football.


    Be easy fin boy.
     
  38. LandShark13

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    Lets not muddy the water here bro. That post of mine you quoted was made in response to this post that you made claiming that some how Edwards dropped less passes than these receivers.

    While yes he dropped less passes I merely put things in perspective. He only caught 45 passes last year so dropping 5 isn't so hot and certainly not something to jump up and down about and that almost all of the receivers mentioned had a better reception to drop ratio.
     
  39. villain the foe

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    No sir, no muddying of the water over here. Anytime you guys talk about Edwards is about his "Drops", I simply showed that he has less drops than others in the league, which is fact. Then you came with a list showing the percentages in respects to receptions to drops and it showed that Braylon is still in TOPS in the league with 90% reception rate.

    So yes, he caught less passes, but he also had less drops, and for the record he's a 90% completion receiver but when you guys TALK about Edwards its never in that respect. Instead its more geared to what people had said about him while at Cleveland more than anything because since being a Jet he's been consistent 90% of the time.

    Now in the law of averages that means if Braylon caught 100 passes he would have only dropped 10. Strictly off averages Thats probowl status there fella. Im glad you put it in perspective. :-)


    Hope that clears the waters.
     
  40. DOLPHAN1

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    So, were our games "real" games or "lay down" games? Dude, there is no denying that for what ever reason, Miami tanked the end of the season. What I was responding to was your Green&White idea that the Jests had such a "Super" season. The fact remains that both Cincy and Indy played their second, third and even fourth stringers to rest their talent. The fact is for one it payed off and the other it did not. Weather your team would have won if they both played full strength is irrelevant at this point. The Jest got into the playoff pretty much because two very good teams layed down and the Jest took advantage. I give props because they DID take advantage until the Colts exposed them. So don't come around here and try to tell us it was all grand scheme and how well the Jests did when the reality is they Backed in, like it or not. Save the bravado for Jests nation....
     

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