OmarK's OTA recap

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  1. padre31

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    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...mi-dolphins-final-ota-look-at-2010-squad.html


    Would really like RGM to win both Returner jobs, and decent enough news on Pat White.

    And this nugget from Sparano's presser:

    That is something the Ravens do, but it can also lead to fumbles and turning the ball back over, we'll see how long that lasts as I'd imagine Sparano would not be in love with a Int=Lateral=Fumble=first down for the opponent's offense scenario...not at all in love with that..:D
     
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  2. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    glad whites showing something.
     
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    True that, I still do think how White does running the ball is as important as his passing accuracy as Thiggy is so far ahead of him as a Qb running is his one edge over Thigpen.
     
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    Pat White is a better runner, but IMO Thigpen's height plus his own athletic ability make him a better scrambler in the pocket. I don't think Pat White's running ability is any better than Thiggy's overall. Maybe on the track field.
     
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    Well, if White did add 8 pds of muscle, his explosiveness should have improved.

    Thiggy can keep plays alive, but White has to make his bid for the #2 Qb based on his talent as the WC Qb over Thiggy, basically White has to carve out his role.
     
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    I'm happier Nalbone might be showing something .... much like Clemons, i am expecting contributions from both this year ...
     
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    Nice to see this
     
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    This^
     
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    Yeah, an out route can be hard to close on if you're giving enough cushion. Speakings of Davis' closing burst.

    Regarding Pat White, I think if you play him, you treat him like Jeff Garcia. Roll outs, out of the pocket throws. Hell, you might even consider a wider line split.
     
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    That is what I had in mind, or perhaps Theisman with the Redskins, White's problem is he hasn't shown a dominant skill, at least Steve Young with the Bucs could run as well as a halfback, White hasn't shown that much as of yet.

    Pat White can do that much (imho) especially with a year under his belt, NFL DE's maybe can run 4'6's in the NFL, but White should have picked up some quickness with the additional muscle mass.
     
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    I don't think we know that yet. I dont' think he's been given enough reps to determine what his dominant skill is or if he even has one.

    I would think that he would lose some.
     
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    And there is one of his issues that he has to show he has overcome.

    But if anything, he was a dominant runner at WVa so that should translate to the NFL.


    You could be correct, but somehow (strictly imho) I suspect his weight gain was through his legs and back which should help his explosiveness and power, such that it is.

    Why would they have a weight regiment for White that would make him less quick than he already had shown?

    :dunno:
     
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    I agree, I just think he's in a rather tough situation. He's got a veteran quarterback, a quarterback that this regime traded for mid-season last year and another guy who is touted as the future quarterback of this team. Tough to get reps.

    The thing is, at West Virginia, he ran a spread offense that is an absolute nightmare against when there's a dual threat quarterback. He's going to have the defense spread out, a wide split offensive line that gives him running lanes and passing lanes. In conclusion, I think he was going to be successful either as a passer or runner. With his elusiveness, he was going to have success in space. However, in the NFL, the spaces are minimized so he's going to have to adjust.

    To make him be able to withstand the beating in the NFL as he develops into a pocket passer.
     
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    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Only a few months until August.
     
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    That is why imho he has to show he can run the ball at a high level as he really cannot compete as a traditional Qb, Penny and Thiggy just have too much experience imho.

    He has to do something that those two cannot ie..run the ball.


    Which is my working theory for White this year, he had to improve his power and quickness to carve a role as the WC Qb, he has to run between the tackles successfully in that role and thusly the weight gain.


    Perhaps, but theoretically, which pocket passer would he push off the roster?

    BTW, have you watched the Bill Walsh Qb instructional video series?

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYKh-4s5HfI&NR=1"]YouTube- Quarterbacking by Bill Walsh - part 2 of 7[/ame]

    I found that while looking for a yardstick to measure Pat White's progress as a pocket style Qb, as well as throwing on the move from a basics standpoint.
     
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    He has to be given the chance IMO.

    Henne's got feet like Drew Bledsoe but Thigpen is pretty mobile.

    You could be right here. I just don't think its necessary to make him run in between the tackles when he does his best work in space due to his quality elusiveness.

    Well, I think what they have to ask themselves is how long does Chad Pennington stick around and at what point is he one of the veterans who are stunting the development of a younger guy, which Ireland has talked about several times in the past.

    I read and watch everything Bill Walsh. Love the guy. :up:
     
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    And has Sparano comparing him to Tony Romo..yikes!


    WC QB running between the tackles is what opens the exterior of the defense, Bart Scott was being truthful when he said White would never last running between the tackles (at 09's 195 pds or so).


    This is one of those Head Coaching deals Alen, Parcell's carried around Bledsoe and Testaverde as he had success with them in the past, Sparano may feel the same way about Pennington, why let go of a perfectly good Veteran Insurance policy?

    The 2010 dolphins are sort of in win now mode imho, as a adjunct to that imho Pennington is here to replace Henne if Chad H implodes, I seriously doubt he will implode, but Sparano takes -0- chances.



    I really enjoy those videos, Walsh and Montana were quite the pair and I can just watch Montana run waggle passes and enjoy it..:D

    Seriously though, based on those Instructional Videos, I can see where you think White is a much better Qb rolling out of the pocket as Walsh explains it allows the Qb the run/pass option, and White from what I've seen on youtube White can make waggle and texas passes as he throws well on the run.

    I like Walsh explaining that the Ball should never go below the Qb's hip in their wind up, and should be caught above the numbers the Wr should not have to bend down to catch the ball as it ruins their stride.

    Good stuff that.
     

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