Imho, we would win in 2010 even without Brandon Marshall.

IMO we don't need BM to catch 100 passes for the offense to improve by leaps and bounds. Even if Henne doesn't develop a lick, which I think is unlikely, his stats (and our offense) will be improved by two factors. One, Marshall will draw more than his fair share of double teams making Henne's reads easier and providing more space for the running game and other receivers. The main impact here is not necessarily more total yards or receptions but rather more efficiency. I'm talking about fewer 3rd and long's (which IIRC we were bottom 5 at converting) and converting a higher percentage of those that we do have. BTW that also helps the defense by extending drives and scoring more TDs. Two, BM's physical style (and the rules favoring WRs) give him the advantage over any DB and Henne the confidence to just throw it to Marshall if he's in trouble.

 

Right, with their version of Jay Fiedler at QB. We have a QB that throws lasers......can't wait to see BM snatching those passes over the shoulder of the DB, out in the flat and taking it to the house.

You need to have more faith in Henne. At least as much as you have in that little midget.....and down playing the addition of Marshall makes no sense what so ever. What he'll do for our offense will have just as much impact on the defense, than any player you named..

 

Here's a valid point for ya......you have NOTHING at QB and Chan Gailey is your coach. Your entire fan base should be on suicide watch.

 

Well given your last post, you have no idea what you are talking about...and like I said, Bills fans could only dream about having such a good QB prospect.

Henne, without the aid of TC, was thrown into the fire and in his first year as a starter..........went 7-6 against the toughest schedule in the league. Set the Dolphins single game consecutive completions mark and put himself in the ranks of promising, upcoming QB's.

You need to pay better attention......

 

Are you the same Circling Wagons guy that used to pollute the FH boards years ago, jumping into every thread and giving it a Bills flavor? If you are, they need to boot your *** outta here now, because that was one of the worst things about FH.

Oh and our team is on the rise..... your team will be lucky to still be in the same city in ten years.

A mirage?...... you're the one that lives in the desert.

 

Enjoy the AFC East basement.......get comfortable because you're gonna be there for at least the next decade.

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BM isn't a savior........he's the perfect fit. He's EXACTLY what this offense needed. We won't be leaving all those plays in the passing game, on the field this year and we'll quit wasting the advantages that our dynamic running game provides us.

I just find it baffling that you're down playing his addition when you should be doing just the opposite. It's gonna be HUGE for us........and our young QB.

 

Simmer down Bro... let's not start smack talk in our main forum please.

 

You can't see what he brings to this offense, how he helps complete it yet you can write volume after volume on the merits of a little midget that will probably be out of the league in two years..... baffling, Padre, just baffling.

You're missing the point...... I don't expect him to single handedly win a bunch of games this year.........I expect him to help this offense be a more complete, dangerous unit.

 

JS and WC... just let it go guys...

 

I did just that, Jon.......I'm the one that actually listened to ya the first time

 

OK...agreed then

If Thigpen isn't traded, I see him as the main factor speeding up Pat White's career move to baseball. He has far more upside....

 

I think pads is just brushing up for his debate team.

 

Week 1 JS Week 1.......Wagon don't disappear after Week 1 now....

 

I been trying to keep out of this. Honestly I have, but if your going to hang your hat on winning one game against us in 2 years your out of your freaking mind! Our history Win loss record vs Buffalo is 52 35 1. We once beat you guys every time we played you for an entire DECADE. It's an NFL record feel free to look it up.

There is a reason that NO expert anywhere are predicting you guys to win anything this year. Hell you would be hard pressed to find anyone anywhere who has anything positive at all to say about the Jill's.

Honestly man your team couldn't be any more irrelevant in who will win the AFC east.

 

They'd be lucky to stay in the same region for the next decade.

 

So did Favre, Big Ben had one season 3 seasons inot his career, really not a big deal....hopefully he is better this year....most of his picks came in the 4th quarter, 2nd third of the season, maybe he was trying to force somethings who knows?? Me thinks he cleans it up this year, and of course having BM catching everything within a 4 foot radius helps too....

Miami has alot of guys that can catch the ball this year...

Any new news on the Lynch front?? Is he ready to play??

 

Oh I see your point, but from Marino until now, there hasnt been one QB IMO that has sparked interest like Henne....my brother-in-law went to Michigan at the same time Henne was there, and when Miami picked him, I asked what the skinny was......he said you guys are going to love his arm, but he is frustrating in that for all the good plays he makes, he makes equally if not more dumbfounded ones....that is something I saw happen this past year....moments where Henne did some really nice things, then boom sheet blew up in his face, and I was left scratching my head....I hope he turns the corner and gets coached up, so he can utilize that arm, because make no mistake the kid has an electric arm....

Lynch is being a punk, he blew off TT, not being a team player....who is your #1 WR?? Lee Evans??

 

Everything that I pointed out has as much if not more relevance than anything you have tried to point out. The Jill's are a terrible team. So bad in fact that every attempt you guys made to lure in a real coach in the off season failed. They all turned you guys down and wanted no part of it.

I asked you to point me in the direction of a single expert who says that you guys have a shot this year. I also asked you to point me in the direction of a single expert who has anything good to say about the Bills this year. So if this year isn't relevant then please tell me what is.

All the bills have done this off season is bring in a coach that never won anything in the NFL and topped that off with what most experts consider one of the worst drafts and off seasons in the league.

No influx of talent in free agency. Nothing, Nada, Zilch. Other than getting an exciting HB in spiller and ignoring your biggest needs on both offense and defense all you have done is secure your irrelevancy inside the AFC eact.

 

Lee Evans and maybe Spiller are the best things on that team.

 

actually, most of Henne's INTs were not 'lasers' at all ... they were trying to make something happen - bad decisions ...

Henne will be just fine this year -- and no one is expecting super star status in year 2 ... i'd just be happy with a solid, smart average guy ...

BM is not a savior to this team ... but he is without a doubt the 'missing link' -- big difference. We have decent pieces everywhere else on the offense, except at WR until he was signed. He will make a difference ... maybe not 100 catches -- but believe it will be at least 80 +

 

Hey I didn't say anything to you until you mentioned how the bills beat us in the last meeting thus implying that somehow that made them better.

 

As you said it. Do you think marshall in place of ginn will be an improvement? I sure do. On my phone

 

I'm not sure if you're aware or not, but attacking other members isn't something thats welcomed or tolerated here.

 

Guess the guys have been doing their work properly

 

Im not sure about you but if i were a reciever in the NFL id be way more excited to play with Chad Henne rather than Kyle Orton.

 

Since you claim to be trying to look at things objectively; while acknowledging the jury is still out, consider the following regarding Henne:
First of all, I think it's important to remember that Henne wasn't expected to start last year. Therefore he didn't get the off season work with the 1st team that Pennington got. Nonetheless...
His overall performance improved. You should be able to see that if you look at his entire body of work.
http://www.nfl.com/players/chadhenne/gamelogs?id=HEN507580
Example: His avg yards per pass (an important aspect) increased.
His yards per game increased. In the last 3/5 games of the season Henne threw for over 300 yards.
His completion % also increased.
These are all promising signs, are they not?
Yes, he threw 12 TDs to 14 INTs.
But another interesting fact was that the games where Henne threw more picks than TDs all came at times when the Dolphins were trying to come from behind. Something you would expect from an inexperienced QB trying to make something happen.
So sure you're right in that Henne still has a lot to prove. But on the other hand Dolphin fans who have watched Henne play have seen an awful lot to be optimistic about concerning this kid.
As to Mike Nolan and your friends referring to him as Nowin. I guess I should call to your attention that there's a big difference in being a HC and being a DC.
As a DC Nolan has fielded some very good defenses over the years.
However, you are right in that he wasn't a very good HC. What is your point there?

 

Since you can't point to an article written that suggests that the Bills have anything to be hopeful about this season please point me to a forum that has your own assessment of the bills.

 

Porter was average to poor against the run the 3 years he was here... Cam Wake was at least average in his limited snaps last year, point is Cam is just as good a JP in the respect, stats say so, not I...

Even in Porter's 17 sack season, his pass rush was average...

and Cam Wake was lights out in pass rush, all 134 snaps...so who was higher in ranking than hm this past year???

R. Mathis, D. Freeney, D. Ware, R. Edwards, T. Woodley, and J. Smith... that is it, in all the FRONT 7 in the 32 NFL teams recorded, only 7 players scored higher in Pass Rush than Cam Wake...

http://profootballfocus.com/cstats.php?tab=by_team&season=2008&teamid=17&stats=d&stype=r&playerid=
Give talent credit... Porter sure did, when he did not want to get off the field and bragged that he was the best LB on the team, he just did not mention that he was not the most talented...

 

Again you don't have your the facts straight. Henne didn't got 6-7 as a starter. He went 7-6 as a starter, and he did it against the leagues toughest schedule and as already pointed out he improved steadily as the year went on.

I like Trent don't get me wrong. He biggest problem is the fact that he plays for the bills. An unstable organization that has done nothing whatsoever to protect him and or put him in a position where he can be successful.

 

He couldn't do that with the league toughest schedule now much less in his first year. You keep trying to compare a 3rd year vet with a first year starter who has never had to play the leagues toughest schedule and try and bring his team back from an 0-3 start.

 

Again you are speaking w/o actually having the knowledge to back up your 'theory'. Denver actually had the leagues 6th toughest schedule while the Bills played the league's 16th toughest.

[TABLE="head; width=70%"]RNK|Team|Win|Loss|Tie|PCT|SOS
1|Mia|7|9|0|0.438|0.559
2|TB|3|13|0|0.188|0.555
3|CAR|8|8|0|0.500|0.539
4|Ten|8|8|0|0.500|0.539
5|NYG|8|8|0|0.500|0.535
6|Den|8|8|0|0.500|0.527
7|Oak|5|11|0|0.313|0.527
8|Bal|9|7|0|0.563|0.523
9|DET|2|14|0|0.125|0.523
10|Rams|1|15|0|0.063|0.520
11|KC|4|12|0|0.250|0.516
12|NE|10|6|0|0.625|0.516
13|NYJ|9|7|0|0.563|0.516
14|Cle|5|11|0|0.313|0.512
15|ATL|9|7|0|0.563|0.504
16|Buf|6|10|0|0.375|0.504
17|Hou|9|7|0|0.563|0.504
18|CHI|7|9|0|0.438|0.496
19|Jac|7|9|0|0.438|0.496
20|Cin|10|6|0|0.625|0.492
21|WAS|4|12|0|0.250|0.492
22|DAL|11|5|0|0.688|0.488
23|Pit|9|7|0|0.563|0.488
24|PHI|11|5|0|0.688|0.484
25|Sea|5|11|0|0.313|0.477
26|SF|8|8|0|0.500|0.477
27|Ind|14|2|0|0.875|0.473
28|SD|13|3|0|0.813|0.453
29|Ari|10|6|0|0.625|0.445
30|GB|11|5|0|0.688|0.441
31|Min|12|4|0|0.750|0.441
32|NO|13|3|0|0.813|0.426[/TABLE]

 

Did you not know his first year was in 2007 and not 2008? here are his stats.


[TABLE="head; width=90%"]Year|Team|G|Att|Comp|Pct|Att/G|Yds|Avg|Yds/G|TD|Int|Rate
2007|Buffalo Bills |10|269|151|56.1|26.9|1,630|6.1|163|7|8|70.4[/TABLE]

 

Dude this was your quote not mine.

Which clearly implies that Denver's (Mike Nolan's) success was due largely to their easy schedule. I merely discredited your false assumption.

 

First year starts 10 games vrs 13 games is a much better comparison then looking at someones second year as a starter and comparing that to that of a first year starter.

 

I agree with that.

However you have to admit that since any quarterback Miami has had since Marino, that Henne has shown more to get excited about.

Which is kind of saying as I heard today on Spill.com, "She is the prettiest girl working at K-Mart in Kansas."

Still, I like the fact for the first time in over 10 years I have a actual reason to get excited that there is a chance Miami has a quarterback.

 

Dude so far every point you have brought up as been discredited. I'm really at a loss for words (well not really) that you can continue to try and defense the indefensible.

Nolan has had some of the top rated defenses in the league and is considered by most experts (other than yourself) to be a 3-4 defensive genius. Yet your stance is because he didn't make a good HC in SF that no way could he be a great DC. Well dude, your wrong.

I have disproved just about every theory you have put forth and yet you still plug along. Congratulations to you for your persistence. If you think the Bills have any chance this year to do anything other than occupy the AFC Easts cellar then this is going to be a very long and disappointing season for you. One you rightfully deserve.

 

If he as you say only started 9 games why would I give him 5 more games? Most of those stats are averages. His yards would go up slightly. Lets take a look....

[TABLE="head; width 100%"]Year|Player|G|Att|Comp|Pct|Att/G|Yds|Avg|Yds/G|TD|Int|Rate
2007|Edwarsds|14|376.6|211.4|56.1|26.9|2282|6.1|163|9.8|11.2|70.4
2009|Henne|14|451|274|60.8|32.2|2878|6.4|205.6|12|14|75.2[/TABLE]


And that's giving Edwards a lot of latitude that he could have continued on the same pace.