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~The OFFICIAL 2010 NBA Playoffs Thread~

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by GISH, Apr 17, 2010.

  1. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Make "an offer" to Wade?

    Like what? Discounted Disney tickets?

    and I think Wade was insinuating that Howard come to Miami...not that he go to Orlando.

    cough cough..Wade has a ring....His throne is in Miami...you come to him..he does not go to you.
     
  2. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    All this killer instinct stuff is BS. Where was Kobe's killer instinct in 07 when he didn't have Gasol or Phil Jackson? Or his killer instinct in the 08 finals? Its a team game, and nobody in the history of the NBA has carried a team as lousy as the Cavs.

    The Cavs have been taken out of the playoffs by the best defenses in the NBA. Its not like LeBrons losing to garbage teams. LeBron has improved every offseason. He's worked hard on his game, and I would say he takes it very seriously.

    Cavs management has been atrocious. Every move they make has been reactionary and ill-timed. They weren't building a team to their strengths, they've built a team to beat Boston, then they built a team to beat Orlando. You don't win championships doing things like that.
     
  3. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    I don't know if it was you or not...But I argued the Jamison deal was a disaster..and look at it NOW.

    had they not traded for Jamison...they can still go to Lebron with this:

    "hey, come back...and we will get you Amare or Bosh to team with..."

    Now it is "hey..come back and uh...you have to play with these stiffs again..and maybe we can swing a trade."

    and yes..the Killer instinct stuff gets overblown....

    The 06' heat had Wade in full blown Jordan mode..but we don;t win that year unless:

    .SHAQ has his 30 and 20 game to close out the Bulls in round 1.

    . Antoine Walker having a monster Nets series to beat them in 5.

    . Payton hitting the game winning 3 to win game 4 in New Jersey.

    . Posey hitting huge three's against the Pistons.

    . Jason Williams going ape**** in the close out game against the Pistons from three.

    . Haslem becoming the Dirk stopper.

    . ZO coming off the bench to try to win the DPOY award in the Finals.


    You still need a team...not Jamison chucking up 1 for 8 every night and MO Williams doing his little act.
     
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  4. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    that could change this year...meaning Howard might too.....good as shot as anybody left no?
     
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  5. Stringer Bell

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    No player has ever carried a team to an NBA championship by themself. It just doesn't happen.

    Jamison was a terrible acquisition. He was picked up solely to play against the Orlando Magic. They needed length to defend those three point shooters, and they thought he was the answer. Same thing for Shaq, who was a huge liability for CLE in this series.

    Not to mention Mike Brown is a really bad coach. He screwed up the rotations all series long. His offensive gameplan is embarrassing. And it seems like he lost the team at the end.

    I always figured that if James didn't win a title this year, he would come back to Cleveland, atleast for one other year, just because he didn't want to leave a bad taste in their mouth. But now, looking at that team's situation, I think he leaves.
     
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  6. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    No. the Lakers are the clear favorites to repeat.

    But Orlando is damn good.

    I still think the Celtics are winning that series. Something about that Celtics team. They just LOOK right.

    If I had to root for somebody..it is obvious that I will root for Orlando.


    BTW, bodog still doesn't have a price on the series. (BOS vs. ORL) friend of mine told me that there is heavy Boston money and it will go even money...If that is the case..i will just sit and watch the series. I want a real price on Boston to take them. like +140
     
  7. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    VIP has +250 on Boston to win the series.
     
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  8. Stringer Bell

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    No way BOS is even money. I'm guessing Celtics are +220 or so.

    The books will get a lot of action on Orlando. They let the public win a lot of money last series for a reason.
     
  9. Section126

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    close enough to 240...I am in..waiting on Bodog though...that is where I have my $$$$$
     
  10. Dolphin1184

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    Skip Bayless believes that Lebron will be playing with Dwyane somewhere... maybe in South Beach. Of all things I hear the guy say, god almighty I hope he is right in this case.
     
  11. Section126

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    BTW..my two bets this round will hypothetically be...UNDER 5 1/2 games in lakers - Suns series ..(could get a price) and Boston outright to win the series at a price as well.

    Record so far this postseason: 4-1

    Heat over Boston L
    Westbrook over 16.3 PPG W
    Suns vs. Portland OVER 5 1/2 games W
    Spurs over Mavs W
    Spurs over Mavs ATS in close out game W

    Final record last postseason 8-1.
     
  12. phinnhedd

    phinnhedd Reality.

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    Keep sleeping on Orlando.
     
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  13. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Cleveland kept making bad deal after bad deal trying to appease LeBron it would be more than a little ironic if all of those bad deals made it so LeBron won't stay. Sad. Kind of a black eye on the league that has put a premium on making it so players like LeBron won't leave teams like Cleveland. What does it say about the league if everyone just wants to leave for LA or New York?
     
  14. Stringer Bell

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    Appease LeBron? How so?
     
  15. Big E

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    I think its ironic that Shaq is apart of this effort to keep Bron in Clev after at this point of his career he did the same thing Lebron might do to the Cavs.m
     
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  16. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How So? They made bad longterm moves every year to give LeBron a "better" shot at the title. Every year they made trades designed to make LeBron think they had a better chance at a title, it was all to done to appease LeBron, hardly any of those moves made any sense long term. They wanted to try and win right now to convince LeBron to stay, I mean how bad would LeBron look if he won a title then bolted for a terrible team like the Knicks? Now he can leave and say its for a better chance to win a title. Honestly the Cavs screwed themselves over by making all these moves to try and keep LeBron happy.
     
  17. Section126

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    The Bad moves this season:

    . Signing Jamario Moon to a contract 3 times above market.

    . The Shaq deal cost almost 30 million in luxury tax, spending almost 45 million dollars in REAL money for one year of service and not getting any cap benefit for him leaving.

    . Pulling JJ Hickson off the table in any discussion to trade for Amare Stoudemire.

    . The Antwan Jamison deal locked in the cap space for 2010/2011 preventing the Cavs from being players in the summer of 2010.
     
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  18. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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  19. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    So building a winning team is appeasing LeBron? Sounds like NBA 101 to me.

    The Cavs tried to build a team around LeBron and failed, not sure how thats an indictment of LeBron.
     
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  20. Stringer Bell

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    What really screwed the Cavs was Carlos Boozer bending them over back in the day.
     
  21. Section126

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    who would have thought that.....the key piece was there at one time already....
     
  22. Firesole

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    Because every move literally had to be approved by Lebron.


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  23. Stringer Bell

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    I don't necessarily believe that. I don't believe LeBron chose Mo Williams over Michael Redd, or that he pushed to sign Anthony Parker, Jamario Moon, or trade for Antawn Jamison or Shaq.
     
  24. Stringer Bell

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    What would be real fun to watch would be LeBron and Amare both going to the Knicks. LeBron in D'Antoni's offense would be great entertainment.
     
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  25. Phins28

    Phins28 Up the Irons

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    I believe will be with the Bulls, Rose, Wade and LeBron, we'll be unstoppable.
     
  26. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Building a team with no real future to win nothing now to appease their Superstar with one foot out the door....not NBA 101...how to lose your hometown Hero/MVP 101 maybe. Their best bet was putting together a good cast and having cap room to sign Bosh or Amare or trade for a max player perhaps. Not signing 80 year old Shaq and other bad deals that have added to no cap flexibility and LeBron leaving. LeBron did have a hand in approving these deals as well lets not kid ourselves.
     
  27. Stringer Bell

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    There is really no evidence that LeBron had a hand in getting any of those players. I have a hard time believing LeBron told them not to make the deal for Amare, because he likes JJ Hickson so much.

    The Cavs best bet was during the 7 years they had LeBron, to maybe bring in more than one good player (Varejao). They're scouting sucks, and they mis-evaluate talent with regularity. Not to mention they tried to emulate the style of the Spurs, when they had no low post threat. The whole thing has been a disaster.
     
  28. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    put down the crack pipe.
     
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  29. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well I agree with that for sure. There isn't any evidence of LeBron having a hand in those deals but do you seriously think with a generic coach and no real front office talent that those guys were not including LeBron in the process? I find it hard to believe he wasn't consulted on a lot of those deals.
     
  30. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Very true, when Allen Iverson took that joke of a Sixers team to the finals then won game 1 against the Lakers...I thought WOW this dude is going to win a title basically by himself! Ofcourse we all know what happened after game 1.
     
  31. Stringer Bell

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    Sure, as the leader of the team, he's involved in a lot of that process. But I don't think it was anymore than Wade or Kobe or any other star player is involved with their team. He probably just provided his feelings on the guys that were already on the roster, and things of that nature. I doubt he was the guy that choose FAs and orchestrated trades. Danny Ferry is too prideful a man to let Lebron make all those decisions, he would have stepped down if that were the case.
     
  32. Stringer Bell

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    Well even Iverson had a HOF coach.
     
  33. gunn34

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    The difference is Wade can go anywhere now.I personally think he gors to Chicago. I would love for him to stay in Miami and have them add someone like Bosh or another gamer. If he doesn't stay there, I would make a push for him to come to Orlando.
     
  34. Section126

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    sigh.

    he is not going to Chicago. enough already. it is a foregone conclusion that he is staying.

    And the Magic have NO CAP SPACE...so there is no PUSH to be made. Thank Vince Carter for that one.

    We will however probably try to take Dwight Howard from you in a few years.

    Sorry...you magic fans have US to contend with next year.
     
  35. Big E

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    I agree but you cant compare James to Iverson. Iverson is one of the if not the best scorer of all time, he's never been a complete player though. Lebron has the potential with some maturing to become an elite superstar. IMO, Lebron should stay in Clev. If he wants to solidify his legacy he HAS to take them to a championship. For the record MJ did it in seven yrs. This was Brons seventh season....
     
  36. Den54

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    Oh whatever will we do?:lol:
     
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  37. Stitches

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    Iverson only scored 2000+ pts in a season 5 times in his entire career.

    Lebron has done it 6 times in 7 seasons.

    Lebron has a better career FG% and even a better 3pt %.


    Yea Iverson may have been a very good scorer, but you can definitely compare James to him.
     
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  38. Boik14

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    I dont think Lebron lacks a killer instinct, I think he knows he cant do it alone. If he took stupid shots just to try and score himself he would be viewed as selfish and as someone who doesnt trust their teammates.

    In general the NBA more then any other sport is strictly talent driven. As long as its a good mix in terms of chemistry you very rarely find that the best teams dont win. Throughout the last 30 years theres been two teams to win 60 games and lose before the conference finals. The cavs are one of them. Thats an indication that the regular season may have been a facade and that the talent needs to be upgraded. Generally, the consensus is that you need 2 elite players + a good supporting cast or some combination of 3 all star caliber players and a good supporting cast. Upon reviewing the last few champions we find:

    The Lakers - Kobe as an elite player with all star Gasol and an above average cast led by Odom, Ariza, Fisher, and Bynum.
    The celtics - All stars KG, pierce, Allen accompanied by Rondo and Perkins
    The Heat - Wade as an elite player, Shaq as an all star caliber player at that stage, and enough help (barely)
    The Pistons - Billups, Wallace, Wallace, and Rip as all stars, Prince as a borderline all star.
    The Spurs - Duncan-Parker-Manu. Had Robinson also for the first one.
    The Lakers - shaq and kobe
    The Bulls - MJ-Scottie-Grant/Rodman
    The Lakers - Magic-Worthy- Jabbar
    The Celtics - DJ-Parrish-Bird-McHale
    The Pistons-Isiah-Dumars and a good surrounding cast

    The mid-90's Rockets are the lone exception to the rule I could find in the last thirty or so years. It's talent driven more then any other league. Thats why the mid 90's Knicks and Pacers always fell short of the Bulls, thats why the Mavs with Dirk keep falling short. In the NBA the onus doesnt always fall on the star player...sometimes its on the GM for not getting enough star players. This is one league where you sometimes need to sacrifice depth for quality. As Section pointed out earlier when the Cavs pulled Hickson out of the Amare deal they may have kept Hickson but that took away any chance of getting Amare. Think Amare would have made a difference vs the Celtics? I do.

    Not sure Amre will come to play for D'Antoni. Rumor has it they didnt love their time together the first time. Still, I wouldnt be upset though I think Bosh is better, especially on defense, so that's my preference.

    Some juicy nuggets from today's newspapers regarding LBJ and the NYK:
    - Carnegie Deli has offered to name a sandwich "The Lebron MVP"
    - World famous Gentleman's club, Scores, has offered to let Lebron eat for free for the rest of his life. They did not specify if he would be eating food :shifty:
    - Buzz Bissinger who authored Lebron's high school memoirs said prior to the playoffs he thinks Lebron is done in cleveland because of his business aspirations of becoming a billionaire in the Jordan mold.
    - The Empire State Building was actually lit up green last night for the celtics. Who woulda thunk it? :wink2:
     
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  39. King Felix

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  40. Big E

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    No your missing my point. James is a better player than AI was there is no comparison.
     

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