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Scout.com Post-Draft Review: Miami Dolphins (Caplan)

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by finyank13, May 12, 2010.

  1. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    http://profootball.scout.com/2/969303.html

    Kinda short and quick, but a few things; Nolan Carroll keeps coming up in a poistive light, all I hear is good things about this kid, maybe we get a steal here....The need of the fly down the field WR, yes and no...Obviously who doesnt want a speed guy down the field, but I dont think it is as neccessary as one might think...BM will get open and create his own yards, and YAC...often taking on double teams (I cant believe I just said that), Miami has alot of really good possession route receivers, guys that know how to get open, in limited space....if anything was proven last year, that was it, along with the fact that all of Miami present day projected starters can catch the ball....They got rid of the one guy who couldnt catch, so I think they are forgoing outright down the field fade patterns, to get the surehanded guys in here....smart move...

    Now the last piece is where do you find the big hitter who can catch, alla Desean Jackson, Royal, Wallace....that will be answered later on I am sure...
     
  2. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    IMO people are too obsessed with rushing the passer. We lost 16 sacks last year between Porter and Taylor. They really were nothing special last year. If we only get back half of that from their replacements (8 sacks) we're still pretty good. That would have been good enough to rank 12th in the NFL. I don't see that see that as all that difficult. I know sacks aren't the only metric for pass pressure, but we were pretty good at QB hurries and hits as well.

    As for the speed WR, I do believe that's important in order to create spacing for both running and passing. We have guys that attack the short and medium zones well. I do think Hartline has the ability to attack the deep zones (on the edges) against single coverage. He won't scare anyone, but I do think he can make them pay on a consistent enough basis. I would like to add one more potential deep zone threat (maybe RGM will be that guy). The one zone we can't attack well is the deep middle zone. IMO a seam busting TE is a bigger need b/c I don't see much on the roster that is likely to fill that role.

    I'm mildly curious about Carroll. I've never watched him play, but he's an athlete. While +95% of the athletes with limited production or injury histories bust there's always a chance.
     
  3. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    With all of the big body receivers on the roster there are plenty of possibilities for someone to fill that role. Other than having a definite #1 TE there seems to be a lot of diversity in Miami's wide receivers which will give Miami a lot of options.
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Phillip Merling......" find yer game lad"...

    boy better step up, hopefully his *** has been in the weight room all offseason, if not, he wont get better...
     
  5. HULKFish

    HULKFish Artist and Scribe

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    I still love Fasano and think he'll be a much higher contributor this year. Sparano said most of it last year was scheming and requiring him to block more. This year we'll see him more like 08'! I'm still curious about Wallace to see what a big, fast guy can bring to the table. Hope he has a good preseason because that addition to our already improving offense could put a little fear in some people!
     
  6. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Caplan is usually a pretty good writer. He, at least, won't talk about what he doesn't knwo about teams...

    My concern for the fins this coming year is very similar tho. Adding Marshall was great, but I still think having Ginn opposite him would have made this WR corps special. I'm not saying that Ginn was a great WR, but his speed still has to be accounted for, opening up even more opportunities for Marshall, Bess and Cammy. Hartline now fills that role (I would presume), but let's face it, a burner he ain't... That brings this WR corps back to just above where it was last season. The catches that Marshall get will come from Cammy and Bess, but can Hartline be that other force to counterbalance Marshall ?? I just don't know...
     
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  7. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I like Fasano and think he's an important part. I just don't think he has enough speed to consistently threaten the seam. I think we need a TE with speed to pair with Fasano (in rotation or as part of a two-TE set) that forces the FS to decide between protecting the middle and the edges. With just Fasano in there a FS will most likely drift to the outside WR and bet that Fasano can't get to deep middle over the LB and before the FS could get back.
     
  8. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Hartline has pretty decent speed. IIRC he was timed at a 4.49 at his pro day and a 4.52 at the combine. It's not scary Ginn speed, but it's fast enough to threaten deep.
     
  9. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    I hope so, because only if we can threaten to throw successfully to someone else will Marshalls' full benefits be realized. He'll get his catches (Marshall), but if we show that Hartline can't get open opposite him, they'll start to shift the coverage and slow/shut down Marshall...
     
  10. FinFan316

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    Hartline and Bess are fine. I think you are mixing up the problems here.

    We didn't have a great #1 WR who needed a #2 guy and slot WR to help him.

    We had the #2 and #3 guy that needed a #1. We got that, our WR problem is fixed. Bess is established. Hartline is poised for a breakout year.

    I am willing to put money that, provided healthy, Hartline catches over 70 passes this year. Besides Henne, no player will benefit more from Marahsll being on the team than Hartline.
     
  11. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    Not saying Taylor was lights out but for the weak side, he did pretty good in the sacks dept.
     
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  12. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    He had 7 last year.
     
  13. Desides

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    Hartline's 16.3 YPC says otherwise.
     
  14. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    IMHO FS, TE and RB are our areas of concern on this team now. FS could turn out to be not as big of a need depending on how Culver, Clemons and Jones work out. But as has been mentioned in this thread, TE is a real concern. I know that Sparano said in his presser during rookie mini camp that Fasano was kept in to block a lot more last year, but I still don't see him as that explosive seam prescence that we lost with David Martin. As for RB, I don't know if we have our future RB on the team between Hilliard and Sheets, but this is a position we will have to address next off-season if those 2 guys don't pan out.

    Other than that, I would like to see us add another playmaking WR to the mix, but I honestly think that by the end of the season we could be regarding Marshall/Hartline/Bess as a top 10 WR trio. If Patrick Turner can step up his game and become a dynamic 4th WR and red zone threat our passing attack could flourish. And that's not even counting Camarillo who was our #1 last year and figures to be our #4 or #5 this year.
     
  15. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Dudes, that article was sparse on information. And I don't even know why people keep creating needs. It seems like as soon as we fill a huge need, we are already undermining it with speculation without even seeing anything on the field to the contrary.
    I'd have to say this is one of the more overly fastidious offseasons for fans IMHO.
     
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  16. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    Yep, and thats not disgusting for the weak side. I think if they switched he and Porter, JT would have surely reached double digits.

    To me where they were most average was stopping the run on either side/
     
  17. HULKFish

    HULKFish Artist and Scribe

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    Pandarilla, LMAO! Nice name and Avy!

    I would have loved to see Ireland trade for Greg Olsen but I think Fasano is better than the credit he gets. David Martin couldn't hack it...
     
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  18. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    The point is that replacing that output is hardly insurmountable. People make it sound like we have this huge hole and inability to rush the passer. The reality is that even with journeyman level production from OLB and similar production everywhere else (not even any improvement) we're still a top 10 pass rush. If Wake does make the step many believe him capable of then our OLB sack production may improve.
     
  19. padre31

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    The problem with losing Ted Ginn is he took the speed of the wr corps, and ST with him, we do have some UDFa's and RGM to look at, but outside of Wallace and Julius Pruitt, the UDFA/Practice Squad Wr are sorta average wheels imho.

    Of course, I could be wrong about that, could be we are waiting for the Cowpokes to cut Patrick Creighton.

    Pass Rush and Kick Returner, two key areas that just have to be hashed out in Training Camp, I do feel we are undermanned in the passrush, as we lost two proven Vets and only have Wake and Hope as our passrushing plan at the moment.

    That is a part of the reason why I feel we should look at A Thomas or Derrick Burgess, or Ogun...don't fool around we open with 6 tough games, that is not the time of OJT..
     
  20. jim1

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    There's another TE at Notre Dame that I'm keeping an eye on, Mike Ragone. Dude has the speed to bust it up the middle, good size, too. And they have Kyle Rudolph as well. Not a big ND fan over here, but they do have WR Floyd, and a LB named Teo or something like that, seems like they have some talent to work with over there.
     
  21. late again

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    Yeah I don't think Hartline's speed or his ability to get open is an issue
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb39qlJEwXc"]YouTube- Universal Draft Presents Miami Dolphins WR Brian Hartline '09[/ame]
     
  22. HULKFish

    HULKFish Artist and Scribe

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    Nice highlight video! Gets me excited to watch him and Marshall light some people up! Henne will be hitting some of those misses this year... Besides that awesome bobble and catch in Tennessee he appears to need a little work concentrating in traffic though.
     
  23. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Hartline is the answer, not to worry
     
  24. The Aqua Crush

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    THat was a fairly skimpy draft review. Either i'm spoiled from the contributors here or Kaplan just doesn't have much time to write about many teams. But since he gets paid for it, i don't think that should be an excuse.

    The whole reiterating moving starks inside, he failed to mention we have Ferg comming back after the suspension, and Solia has stepped up to help play NT.

    Half our draft picks were OLB. And we added Dansby to the inside. Failed to mention that too. I bet at least one or two of the rookies we took will play better than Porter did last year.

    And we acquire the most talented WR in the offseason and now we don't have a number 2? Problem was Kaplan we had too many number two's. We have a terrific number one now and a incredible slot WR in Bess. That's 2/3'rds of the wideout corp. right there. Not to mention Hartline who is trending upwards, Cammy who is reliable and turner who obviously hasn't been written off yet or he'd be gone. Thats lots of comp. for the number 2 spot and depth.

    If anything we need a seam busting TE and our Safety issue could be better. But not all areas are going to get fixed every off season.

    Just my opinion but that was a poor poor article about our draft review.
     
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  25. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Pads I think Cobbs gets the KR job back.....just a guess.....
     
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  26. finyank13

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    hey watching this video I cant help but to think, (great job Universal btw) the 3 areas I would love to see Henne improve is....

    1) get the ball out of his hands quicker--this will happen with more experience

    2) the late game ints--however I think once he learns how to win games late and finish them off with a lead...that stuff will go away..

    3) learn how to get the long ball touch.....he fixes these 3 things, and he becomes IMO one of the best eventually in the league....he alot last year, and you can see it in this vid, overthrows the deep route, either high, or just plain overthrows them....IDK if he is just adjusting, or is forgetting the indiviuals WR speed...but even Ginn, he overthrew him...he has to correct that...

    I will say I would rather overthrow for incompletions though...then underthrow....
     
  27. late again

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    I'm with ya. I want to think that #2 and #3 are just a matter of lacking experience. Hopefully this training camp and preseason allows him to get completely comfortable with his role as starter, his receivers, the offense, his OL, etc.
    Once that happens, I think his performance will sky rocket.
     
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