White may never be the arch-typical NFL Conventional QB however, Pat will find his way & make major contributions w/ time he's a keeper
I think your 2nd point is valid but I would'nt say it was the ONLY reason Reef, I also think Chads arm strength was inhibiting the run game and they needed a way to create some space for ronnie,they could'nt do it vertically so they decided to create it horizontally..brilliant if you ask me.
But it wasn't even the WC And....you over exaggerate his presence. Especially when Henne himself poses more of a threat to do something besides hand off to the RB. While we're throwing out stats..... here's one that's actually solid fact. Rushing TD's last season: Henne 1 White 0 I mean come on man........if you're going to get on ppl for going over board against Pat White, you can't expect to help that situation by going over board yourself. And giving White a 3 TD and an 2pt conversion stat line, is deff going over board.
Using him as a compliment is one thing.....building a package around him is another. Especially when he is one of the lesser talented and more limited skill position players on the team.......and that includes a few of the roster bubble guys.
Ahh, JS, you are missing the runway dude, I'll never convince "you", that is not my goal... Ultimately, what "you" say, what "I" say means nothing, save for someone will be proven correct, someone incorrect, but what it comes down to is what Pat White does with his chances, and what opportunities Sparano and Co decide he has earned, everything else is "meh". White has to speed up his game, add some bulk OR quickness, and show in TC that he can throw at least competently AND grasps the offence. Only time will tell, which puts my view in a decent enough position, you've already planted your flag "White is a failure", my view can easily be vindicated with solid performances...which could easily happen.
How can you say Pat is a keeper he hasn't done squat for this team. Even if they move him to WR is he any better then what we have there? I don't see all the love for this guy that hasn't done anything to help this team.
It almost sounds like Pat White paid off some support here. I can see the PWFQB patches on a few shirts now.
Well, he paid off Pennington too then. http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/09/1620322/pennington-re-signing-with-miami.html
Eh, more or less for me it is I "know" what White did in College, and I "know" what he did in the NFL in 09, and just am convinced he will do better in the NFL than he has so far. And...I get 20% of White's jersey sales receipts....
To me that is Chad being nice bro. He didn't go over the top with his endorsement. It sounds like Pat has to want to do it, and will need to work extra hard to make this team.
We also gave him ZERO chance to succeed. Go in, run a play up the middle, come out. That was his assignment all year long. His accuracy needs some work, I'll grant that. But unless our FO is the worst FO in the history of FO's, they saw something in him. If Pat White is already a bust, then our FO needs to be fired.
Bro that play calling is on Henning. I hope he gets better at mixing it up and keeping defenses guessing. He get's in patterns and defenses know that.
Sort of, alot of things went wrong for PW in the Steelers game jd, he had two series against a weak secondary and did little else but run the ball and throw one lame duck out route. As for the larger point, dude...this is the N-F-L baby, when a player has earned the opportunity to play, they have to shine or "National Football League" becomes "Not For Long" at the very least his footwork needs to improve as running back, let alone as a Qb. He also has to develop becoming a more decisive, determined runner.
Like comparing apples and oranges, Padre. Henne wasn't asked or prepared to be the QB of this team during his rookie season, so his stats his rookie year as a backup are expected. On the other hand, Pat White was prepared and asked to perform as the WCxQB position, so therefore, his stats should have been better than Henne's and in fact, should have been much better than what they were based on his draft status and projected ability by this regime. It appears they've failed in their roles as coaches and coordinators and talent evaluators or White may not have the talent at this level that was assumed. Bottom line, he didn't produce like a #44 overall should have in neither a contributing nor starting role on this team.
Well, head to head, who was more productive? Chad Henne in his rookie season of 08? Pat White in his rookie season of 09? The same argument that one is using can easily be used for Henne's 08 season, yet he was given another shot, why isn't White afforded that same opportunity per your own logic?
My "flag" is planted in the camp of let's quit being cute and play the kind of physical football that this team is designed to play. And to me, he's like putting cheap rims on an expensive car. Pat White isn't physical, isn't fast and is a suspect passer...... he may improve the latter but he's not going to improve the first two enough to make a difference. It seems to me sometimes that you're more impressed with Pat White than you are with Henne....... I've seen you tear Henne down on occasion to make a point about White and that kinda baffles me. Henne is one of the better up and coming prospects in this league and White is known as the little guy that got knocked out against Pitt. At this point, Pat White is really nothing to get excited about. But moving on, my main point being.....don't call me over zealous in my criticism of White, when you're actually more over zealous than anyone in this discussion....lol....which is fine but you make a poll that asks "Pat White, still a prospect or more of suspect" and then say "And I'm a bit tired of Pat White being beaten down with no grounds..." I mean damn Pads, you had know what was coming..... lol You can go back and find many posts early on where I am defending White the player (one of the few at the time) and putting the blame on the FO's vision for him. I was hammered daily for preaching the need to move him to another position.....well, I'm over that. After watching him and that package of his, which is NOT the WC ( he doesn't have the skill set to run the WC).... I've taken a look at his play, limitations and this talented, crowed roster and concluded that he's just not worthy of a spot on the 53 And.....I think you way over estimate the threat he actually is on the field. A good defense will smother him ten times worse than it did Pennington. Ala Pittsburgh...
You know I think not good things happen to White, this we know: 1) He isnt overly fast; 2) He isnt a good NFL passer; 3) He lacks the build; 4) He looks overmatched when on an NFL field; 5) They have 4 qb's one will DEFINATELY be getting scratched come gamedays; 6) He is a second round pick making decent money 7) This year you can cut players and be relieved of owed monies unlike other years 8) It is clear this year that the FO wants tough, big physical players I mean this all adds up to me, and it doesnt look good for Pat, I like the kid, nice good kid, but that doesnt mean squat on the field...While I see the WC being part of the offense, I dont think it will nearly be a part as many people on here think it will be...remember the WC was there, cuz Chad couldnt stretch a field and they tried anything to stop defenses from stacking 8 in the box and sending the dogs......we have a qb that has an arm, and now one of the top 3 WR in the game (IMO), a hell of a line, good rb's and a fullback if he had name recognition, he would be an all-pro...one thing Henning always said was he gameplans according to the tools he has....with potentialy this offense, think Philly, run to set up the play action pass for chunk yards....they have those tools now..... Lastly, Pat White is the new Ted Ginn in this forum.....the new hated upon...
He ran a "unofficial" 4.49, which is plenty fast enough if White is decisive. What troubles me about Chad Henne is the lack of objectivity about his game JS, imho that should be factored in looking at Henne moving forwards, I think he is the future at Qb for the Dolphins, but I haven't signed the mortgage just yet. What bothers me about White is he is not being given a chance to improve, as in 'White may improve? Impossible!!!!" Not criticisms, there are several legitimate criticisms, one goes far beyond mere criticism into actual dismissal from the team, or the absurd notion he could be a Wr. Exactly, which is why I'm still defending Pat White the Prospect, imho you are wrong in your evaluation of Pat White's talent, let alone play, which is why it is passing funny to me when he is not credited for the successes in his role in the offense, one already despises him anyway, why concern onesself with anything after that fact is established? "Pat White sucks and you won't change my mind" Seems to be the gist of one's thoughts on him, which is fine, and I'm willing to concede he may be traded/waived or whatever, then again, you are not willing to concede that he may have improved his game. I have a mixed bag on picking a player to follow: -Jason Allen 07 -Donald Thomas 08 -Cameron Wake 09 This year it is Pat White at Qb Dimitri Tsoumpas on Oline and Chris McCoy on defense and RGM and Tristan Davis on special teams..them my boi's.
As for Brandon Marshall's role in the offense, they did run their own WC in Denver with a decent enough Qb in Kyle Orton, which should tell one that BMarsh isn't Superman...
true however Kyle Ortin simply isnt that good, and wont make the whole year IMO, and Marshall still had 100/1000+....so was it Ortin was making Marshall look good Pads, vice versa......this year is going to be interesting for Ortin indeed....
I'am diggin our new third round smashcattin big bad *** baby J.. All the smashcat is missin is the skillset of an effective Pat white to be on the field WITH Ronnie Brown, if we can figure out ways, and he could execute, Ronnie would be completely unstoppable out of the formation...and no matter how good Chad becomes, or how good Brandon Marshall is, I would still run about an 80/20 85/15 hybrid system. Iam not like a lot of folks, i'am fully committed to the wildcat, as long as Ronnie Brown is handling the rock... I do not understand some folks who want less reps out of this formation, its a beautiful thing watching him execute this formation, he's absolutely the best in the league..
I really think there might be a big misunderstanding goin on around here....I only want his role to be on the field with ronnie, thats what it has always been for me, even before he was drafted, Iam on the record saying just as an "enhancer", a "compliment" to ronnie in the cat, to get that defense to play honest during a wildcat play....right now that is not the case..Ronnie brown has been kicking *** out of this formation for 2 years against a not honest defense... I got pissed at the front office because they are spending quality practice reps on him being a proset qb when imo, he should be reppin out at his complimentary position....however they may be training him there first, before the go my way.
Hmm, how to explain? Every year at this time the roster is almost 100% set into stone, who we have is who we have, then I look it over, pick out a group of young players, learn about them and then whittle that group down to players that "I" think can make an impact and are future contributors. That way once the OTA/MiniCamp/Training Camp reports start rolling in, it is not just a bunch of "noise" such as "so and so and so and so and so did this or that" now I can look for information on "my" players and follow them during the preseason games etc, it also allows me to ask questions of the dolphins paid bloggers about "my" guy's performances. That way all of the hype that normally surrounds some players means little to me unless they happen to be one or a couple of "my" guys. It makes the preseason much more interesting as I sorta have a stake in how they do an whether or not they make the team or practice squad. Realistically I "know" only 2 or maybe 3 of "my" guys are even going to make the 53 man roster, but that doesn't decrease my enthusiasm for all 5 or 6 of them. Hope that makes sense FY?
you can't have Mccoy all to yourself Pod..you must share him with some of us that like him a lot.. That sounds gay..lol
Eh, the way I see it McCoy will be playing Wake's role from 2009 in the preseason, recall Wake tearing as..err...running the arc against the Jags and Panthers and getting sacks? That will be McCoy's role this year, fits him to the "T" imho, McCoy doesn't have Wake's freakish , gumby like quality of bending his upper torso away from a blocker whilst his legs churn upfield..but McCoy can bend the edge a bit, but for him, I want to see more hand usage, rips and swims and clubs he won't be going up against ETSU's Academic Scholarship RT this preseason.. Just rewatched the 09 preseason games that featured Pat White, Carolina and NOLA, he looked decent enough throwing the ball, made a couple of running plays, DE's were working him though, taking away throwing lanes and staying home on the naked bootlegs.. I'm dying to see what a full yr of offseason conditioning does for his explosiveness and weight...
You don't like calling a play action fake on 4th and very long on the final drive of a game we were behind? Really?
White threw for no TDs and ran for no TDs. So now you are going to credit him with the TDs of others because he made a really nifty handoff? So it appears you are creating a new QB stat line...hand offs for TDs? WOW! Sad Paddy my lad, very sad.
Hello? Padre? Ricky ran for a couple of TDs after taking the direct snap. Guess we better forget those when they don't support your silly argument. Oh goody goody gumdrops, White didn't throw any INTs. Didn't complete any passes either, but why dwell on the negative?
If one is going to compliment the star, they better be able shine close to equally as bright. All, we got from Pat White was a slight twinkle. I guess we can call him Twinkle Bell. He could improve in his 2nd year, or he could fall by the wayside. I think any of us, even the biggest naysayers regarding White, would be thrilled if he took a quantum leap in year 2 and lived up to the expectations placed on him. Just that he has not shown anything to really make me expect it. Though I would love him to prove me wrong.
So far, in two seasons, our WC has proven to work at it's optimum level only when the snap goes directly to Brown. So how can the snap go directly to Brown, and White also be incorporated into the scheme in a useful manner? The really only possible position I could think of is using White as the Jet Motion man. Ricky's position. There has been no indication that scenario is even remotely being considered.
