No one is going to trade up to our # 1 pick - View Trade Value

They also got Drew Brees with their #2 pick. Basically, they traded Vick for LT, Brees, and Tim Dwight.

What we need is for someone to SHOW OUT at the combines and become the CLEAR #1 overall player. That will create value in the #1 pick. If there continue to be 4-5 players that could all be #1 overall, that devalues the pick.

 

if so many people are up for trading ronnie (kinda sorta proven) and taking mcfadden (Completely unproven and KEVIN SMITH IS BETTER in the 2nd round) why not take a QB #1 over all?

 

If it happens it will have to be a multi team deal. And it's not like they won't have plenty of time to work out the details.
Heck, I'd take 6 #2's for one #1.

 

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And you seem to be mixing your argument, is it "enough" for that high pick Rb to lead their team to the play offs? Or must they win a SB as well? If they win a SB with another team, does that vindicate the pick?

How would winning the Super Bowl with another team vindicate the pick? The pick didn't win a Super Bowl for the team that drafted him, and the team that did win a Super Bowl with him on the roster didn't spend but a pittiance to obtain his services. The whole point in mentioning highly drafted running backs that landed on Super Bowl winners, later, is to draw attention to the fact that you can always get a productive back, somewhere, either in a trade, via free agency, or lower in the draft. It makes no sense to allot the money and pick to a position where risk of injury is very high, and the availability of quality players elsewhere is equally high. The Saints could of had Lawrence Taylor, or Ronnie Lott, men who changed the freaking game with the pick they spent on Rogers, they could of had James Wilder in the second-round and still have gotten a Pro Bowl back! Where was the value in taking Rogers even if he had improved the Saints dramatically? Wouldn't a Lawrence Taylor/James Wilder combination of improved them more?

And Riggins? He was a free agent siginging, the "Hogs" came later.

And? Riggins cost the Jets a top five pick. He cost the Redskins nothing. You don't realize how you bolster my argument by adding that the Hogs came later. Riggins didn't become a Hall of Fame player until after he started playing behind those Hogs, the Hogs were key. Joe Washington was a decent back who had been traded twice before he became a star running behind those linemen. It's all about the linemen.

Simpson was the only thing that made the Bills franchise even watchable, Morris was more of an add on truth be told, interesting that we took Morris when we already had Zonk...

Do we want the Dolphins to be watchable, or do we want them to win a Super Bowl?

Really? Then why did the Colts draft Edge James at #4? The drafting of James allowed the trading of Faulk to become possible.

What is your point? The Rams didn't spend the #4 pick on Marshall Faulk, they spent a second-rounder and got a franchise back. How many times do I have to type this? The point is you can get stud backs that will help you win, for a hell of a lot less than the first overall pick in the draft.

And here is your fuzzy yardstick Mr. Majestic, neither of those players made the Super Bowl, neither did Thomas, so are they washouts as well?

Or is making the play offs and or pro bowls a better yard stick of an individual player's impact on a team?


How about we measure a player by the value he brings to the team. Are you telling me the Jets would not have been better off drafting Cortez Kennedy, or Richmond Webb with the second overall pick, then acquiring a running back later, like say Leroy Hoard, or Harold Green, both picked after the Jets in the second-round, or Chris Warren in the third-round, or Barry Foster in the fifth-round? Don't you think the Jets would have been stronger if they had done it that way? What sense did it make to go after a running back with the second overall pick? They could of had better guys a lot later in the draft. It's not even a question of perfect hindsight, we know, statistically speaking, that there are lots of Pro Bowl backs available later in every single draft, why spend the pick? History has demonstrated that no running back, no matter how extraordinary, is going to make a bad team respectable. We are the worst team I've ever seen. By the time the Dolphins were ready to contend, a guy like McFadden would be beat to hell.


And in every case that you mention, besides the Pats, the Running Back was the "key" to winning that super bowl, the Pats are able to "make do" with a pounding type runner along with Kevin Faulk who plays more in the passing game and on third downs.


I've never argued that running backs are not crucial to winning football games, and championships. I simply point out the unassailable fact that highly drafted running backs are picks better spent elsewhere. Why am I going to select Ki-Jana Carter with the top overall pick when I can get more productive talent in the later rounds? If a guy drafted in the third-round blows out his knee on the first play from scrimmage, it's a loss that's going to hurt, but it ain't going to hurt as much as losing the top pick in the draft, especially in the salary cap era.

And if you recall Benson was in the back seat last season to Jones, himself a top 10 draft pick as well.

Are you implying that Benson isn't a bust? Because no fan in Chicago shares your opinion. He's horrible. Have you actually seen the guy play? But thanks for once again, strengthening my point, and weakening yours. Cedric Benson was thoroughly outproduced by a free agent running back. Thomas Jones was indeed a top ten pick, sixth actually, but he didn't cost the Bears a thing, since he was signed as a free agent if my memory serves me correctly. Was Thomas Jones worth the sixth-overall pick to the Cardinals? No. How many times are you going to prove my point for me?


It also should be pointed out that the teams you list who did win the Super Bowl, nowhere do you mention "They never would have won, or even appeared in a Super Bowl if they didn't have a Top Five pick on the defensive line, "They never would have won the super bowl if they didn't draft DT so and so in the top five.."

There is a reason for that, a single DT does not make that much difference in the NFL game....A RB does and can.

Really. Did Tony Dorsett win the Super Bowl for the Cowboys, or did Ed "Too Tall" Jones, and Randy White win it? As you may, or may not know, they were the co-MVPs of that Super Bowl. Jones was the top overall pick in 1974, and White was the second overall pick the next year. Did Walter Payton win the Super Bowl for the Bears? He didn't hurt. He had a great season, but he was in his 11th season, and for most running backs, even extraordinary ones, usually by that point, they're washed up, or retired. Payton had had much better seasons previously, and he never won a Super Bowl. In fact he used to be likened to O.J. Simpson, a genius damned to forever play for a terrible loser. The defense won that Super Bowl for the Bears, and that defense was anchored by Hall of Fame DT Dan Hampton, drafted fourth overall. How about all the first-round linemen and linebackers on that team--guys like Jimbo Covert, Keith Van Horne, William Perry, Otis Wilson, Wilbur Marshall? The same with Baltimore, you forget top five picks like Jonathon Ogden, and Peter Boulware, and other first-round picks like Ray Lewis and Chris McAllister, without whom, there would have been no Super Bowl. I generally question the wisdom of taking running backs with a first-round pick, period. The Ravens already had Priest Holmes, a guy they acquired as a rookie free agent, on the roster, and he had cracked a thousand-yards once already in his career. Could the Ravens had done without Lewis? Possibly. There is no doubting his contribution to winning a championship, but it probably could have been done without him.

It's not written in stone that the top overall pick must be a lineman, or a DT, a DE is equally valuable, but it should be a premium position not readily available--quarterbacks, OTs, and defensive linemen are generally the rule of thumb, but if all else fails, wide receiver. For all of Barry Sanders' genius, it would have been wiser for the Lions to take Deion Sanders, or Derrick Thomas, Hall of Fame-caliber sackers and cover corners are far more valuable.
The Lions could of drafted Emmitt Smith the next year, or Ricky Watters the year after. Would a Deion Sanders and Emmitt Smith, or a Derrick Thomas and Ricky Watters have helped the Lions more? There is a strong probability.