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Winless Dolphins could turn to coaching change to fix issues

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Milkmoney21, Dec 10, 2007.

  1. Milkmoney21

    Milkmoney21 New Member

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  2. namor

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    I want a coach that would be mad as hell that we are winless.
    Cam should not make this week out.
    We would lose nothing and probaly gain from it.
     
  3. daltoninnm

    daltoninnm New Member

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    Nice article, Thanks.
     
  4. sweeper

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    u rem when we went 1 and 7 or w/e saban came out saying ppl are playign for their jobs. thats what i respected bout sabanhe was a blunt ***. u need a tough guy to carry a team. and halfthe time when the coach isnt tough they hae a qb or a presnce on the roster that does that.
     
  5. miami234ever

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    We need some fury from the coach. Not a stress management professor. I want to see gatorade bottles thrown and maybe even see him get ejected for something crazy. It would be a lot easier to bear the losses if I could see that the coach is half as angry (at least) as I am!!! We need Will Ferrell to fill in for Cameron the rest of the year.
     
  7. Kdawg954

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    We could have the kisser

    The Tuna

    or how about

    "They are who we thought they were"

    LMAO

    I wonder if Marty came here would Cam take a demotion to OC
     
  8. Kinzua

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    FWIW from a Bills fan, I think that the blame goes higher up the food chain than Cameron.

    I've never liked Randy Mueller, and I think that he's been a major problem for several years now. While Saban supposedly had "control" over player decisions, it's Mueller's job to hire scouts, evaluate (or hire the right people to evaluate) and recommend players, and that's where the franchise's biggest failure has been. Maybe they're hold overs from the Wannstadt regime or even before that, but somebody is not doing a very good job in player evaluation.

    It seems to me that Miami has been too quick to spend draft choices on questionable QBs in the Mueller era: #2 for Culpepper, #5 for Harrington, and #4/5 for Green, especially since both Harrington and Green would likely have been available as FAs later -- and Miami had Cleo Lemon on the roster in 2006 and 2007. Miami is already short one draft pick for the Green trade, and it's unlikely Green will ever play for Miami again.

    Miami's drafts and undrafted rookie and veteran FA acquisitions under Mueller (2005, 2006, 2007) haven't produced much talent, either, which is at least partly why the team is so bad. Miami spent a wad on Joey Porter, but only added a modestly-credentialed guard to their OL and a FG kicker, but not much else, and Porter hasn't produced as expected. The lack of talent at the supporting positions really shows when injuries hit. It also shows on special teams where young players earn their roster spots.

    Buffalo is in the playoff hunt this year despite having more injuries than Miami because of the tremendous contributions of rookies, second year players, and modestly-priced FA vets. A few were pencilled in as starters in TC, but most of them have had to step up because of injuries. Buffalo did spend big on its weakest link over the last decade -- the OL, and they demonstrated their worth Sunday, but the Bills' starting RG is a second year player who didn't play a regular season down before the opening game of 2007. If John Beck had as much time to look over the defense as Trent Edwards did, he might have done a lot better.

    I think that axing Cameron is treating the symptom rather than the cause. Maybe a new coach brings some improvement, but it just seems to me that Miami needs a major infusion of talent. There needs to be a hard look given to how the people responsible for evaluating/recommending/acquiring or moving players are doing their jobs. Maybe that's Mueller or maybe that's somebody else in the player personnel office, but I don't think the Fins are going to progress all that far until that's done.
     
  9. Rocky Raccoon

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    I respect your opinion, and you make valid points, but I still think Mueller has done some good things (drafting Satele, getting a pick for Mare, a 2nd for Chambers, etc.) The team is bad now because of what Wanny and Speilman did in the drafts. Saban brought in some players that are playing well and there are a few rookies this year that are playing decent football (Ginn, Booker, Mauia) and Jason Allen has finally started to become a player. It will take some time but I think it's best we give Mueller and Cameron time to get their plan in place.
     
  10. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    God knows! Now we've got Bills fans curing our woes.......

    "Several years?"

    He was hired two years ago!
     
  11. pocoloco

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    good post Kinzua, I think that two years ago, Miami and Buffalo were essentially in the same boat. While Buffalo has certainly improved themselves, Miami has taken a nose dive. Trent Edwards was a good point, and I think it really shows why Cam might need to go. Super conservative play calling combined with signaling in the plays late to a rookie doomed Beck, and it probably would have doomed Edwards too.

    As I understand it, Cam and Randy are essentially joined at the hip, and their fates ought to be intertwined. When Saban was here, Mueller was very fortunate to have his job. He was darn near fired, and probably would have been if Saban had actually stayed. Then all of the sudden, Saban takes off and people are talking about Mueller as if he is the second coming or something. As if Saban simply needed to let Mueller do his job and we would have been contenders, which is probably a sentiment many of us had because we had gone without a true GM for so many years previous.

    But in reality, Mueller is basically an average GM in this league. There were a number of great threads on the regular finheaven site comparing him to others to make this point. He has hit on a few picks, missed on a bunch of others. Yes he got Bulger, but otherwise his late round picks leave a lot of be desired. For example, the Mauia pick was a gimmick pick (probably could have had him undrafted), Booker in the 3rd has been a waste to date, and Abe Wright in the 7th was nothing but bizarre (with Siles- LB and Patrick-TE on the board). That's why, when Cam and Randy defied the experts with the Ginn pick, it was hard to believe (for most of us at the end of that day) that they really knew that much more than everyone else.

    Anyhow, I agree that the most important thing we can do is bring a better GM into this team and stop chasing overpriced veterans in free agency. I'm all for bringing in an inspirational type of leader and trying to get a proven guy, maybe Parcells, to GM here. Whoever it is, something has gotta be done on that front.
     
  12. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    Ding, Ding, Ding! The house cleaing started in 2005.

    The guys you named in your post actually HAVE talent. It's the rest of 40 something no talents that are the problem!
     
  13. Zod

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    Have you ever thought that Saban took off because he saw that he screwed up by taking the wrong QB (Culpepper) and that mistake was compounded by giving up a second round draft pick for him? Have you given thought to the fact that he saw he wasn't going to win with this team?

    It couldn't be that. Nope! It's got to be that this guy is the problem. Mueller, Cameron, Huyzienga, Cowher, or maybe even Jesus Christ. Yep! The guys here now. They are the problem.
     
  14. pocoloco

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    people talked about Saban first, and then Mueller, as if they were saviors. Both were wrong in retrospect.

    I agree with you that Saban probably bolted because he saw the handwriting on the wall, either coach Alabama or suffer through two lousy seasons in Miami before getting canned. His ego couldn't take failing at anything so he ran away.
     
  15. dolphindebby

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    Saban only wanted to make a name for himself in Miami and he couldn't do it, so he lied and ran out. He only cares about him and no one else. Some of the people in AL have already seen that according to news and papers down here. He's a first-class jerk IMO.
     
  16. djfresh47

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    Saban did quit on the team and lie about it. Though I had alot more confidence in him than Cameron. Richie Kotite could win a game in the NFL and Cameron has not to date. If the team goes 0-16 how can he last?
     
  17. TigerJ

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    Another Bills fan here. Be careful what you wish for. Having watched a lot of football for a lot of years, it strikes me that the most successful franchizes are the ones with the most stability and continuity. That's not to say you should't dump your coach. Maybe you should. It's not my place to say whether this time it's right or not. However, at some point I think your franchize is going to have to settle on a coach and endure some tough times as he begins to build the team. I'm hopeful Buffalo has the right coach now in Dick Jauron, but having gone through Gregg Williams and Mike Mularkey before Jauron was hired set the teams development back by a good four years. It's no fun.
     
  18. namor

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    But get rid of a bad one as quick as you can,to start the healing.
     
  19. padre31

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    Maybe, if we care to look all the way back, Jp Losman was no doubt "Edwards" before there was an Edwards, meaning he had a good year and people were high on him at one point in time.


    Mueller also rebuilt two teams into winners, and he is a great at making trades for us.

    Dithering over 7th round picks is not the way to build a team at all, while true you should hit on one or two every now and then, if you are relying on a 7th round pick to be a difference maker then you will not win nor fill your roster very well.

    BTW Mauia has played in every game as a starter for us, even with a broken hand, I think we'll keep him.

    Ginn was needed, and it also shows the folly of relying on Ronnie Brown, Ginn is meant to be a big play compliment to a solid running game based on Ronnie Brown, he is injured...again...that sort of leaves Ted Ginn as a wr playing a roll other then what he was drafted for as a rookie.

    Even still Ginn's numbers are similar to Calvin Johnson's, Johnson has more TD's, Ginn has a 15ypc average with punch and judy playing QB for us.


    I can think of no GM in the league that I would rather have to deal with our #1 overall pick, trades are rare in the NFL and Mueller has a talent for making them.
     
  20. harmonkoz

    harmonkoz Fishsticks anyone?

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    Mueller is crap. Three names from last year, all are huge f'ups.

    Donald Lee, Wes Welker, and Chris Chambers.
     
  21. djfresh47

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    You're wrong on Edwards. He hasn't blown people away but I think anybody who has watched him knows he has progressed further along in one year than Losman has in his career.

    Mueller can be great at making trades, I want him to make good trades. This team had a guy like Ted Ginn, his name was Wes Welker. They traded him inside the division which is almost never heard of from a GM in any sport. Ginn wasn't brought into be a number 1 WR. Which is the flaw with drafting him 9th. If Chambers wasn't traded than he's a mediocre #1, yet still a #1.

    The playmakers on offense that were playing for the Dolphins last year were far superior to the playmakers that are playing this year. Mueller is the one who traded Chambers, traded Welker, cut McMichael.

    Mueller has made some nice moves and the team has been decimated by injuries. Though the potential to be historically bad; how can any fan have confidence in the current regime? The defense is old and the offense makes my eyes bleed, I don't see this team turning it around from being historically bad to being Bungles of the 90's bad with Cameron and Mueller. If Wayne wants to keep him around he can but if the "Tuna," wants to be a GM than he has to be given a long look by Wayne. We're not talking about some team that has no history we're talking about what should be a premiere franchise in the NFL because of location and history.
     
  22. padre31

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    Point being that one good run of games, or a season, should be taken into context, today's Edward's can be tomorrow's Losman.


    Ginn is younger and more explosive and can go nowhere but up, we traded Welker because we were forced to, the Pats signed Wes to a posion pill offer sheet, if we didn't trade Welker they would have signed him with no compensation.

    And Welker for Samson Satele straight up? I'd take Satele all day long, we needed a Center and Samson is it for a very long time.

    Traded Welker=See above.

    Cut McMike= Good move, he not only dropped the ball more then any other TE in the league, he was expensive to keep around he is now on the Rams and doing not very much.

    Traded Chambers= Are you kidding, this is some sort of problem? Chambers was more then likely going to be cut next year as his contract was worth big dollars against our salary cap number, and we got a 2nd round pick out of him?

    That is addition by subtraction, we need picks, and for a player who may not have been here next season, it was a brilliant move.


    Here I am with you, the only thing that makes Mueller attractive to my way of thinking is his ability to trade, which is rare in the NFL, and the fact that he put together some good teams in both Seattle and New Orleans.

    If I were Wayne, after I recovered from the hangover on Jan 8th, I would read the Audit, and make my decisions then...

    We are 0-13, no one should feel safe in this organization, absolutely no one.
     
  23. Canes_Fan_83

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    Several is defined as "more than two but not many" So he was close.
     

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