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OLBs Fins may be looking at early!!!

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  1. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Did I miss something, is JT definitely out? I thought he was still shopping?
     
  2. DeDolfan

    DeDolfan Premium Member Luxury Box

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    i suppose he is techically as he's not been re-signed yet.
     
  3. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ah ok, I just must have misinterpreted it as meaning he definitely won't be coming back. I think the odds are unless he gets a "blow him out of the water" deal he'd stay.

    I mean he did take a massive paycut for a hometown discount last year. I find it hard to believe he wants to pack his bags again. But maybe I'm just being hopeful, having him on board again this year would definitely help that OLB issue a ton.
     
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  4. PHINANALYST

    PHINANALYST Well-Known Member

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    JT isn't 'out' ... but it is probably much like last year ... he is Plan B

    it is likely we will draft '2' OLBs .... 1 in the 1st round after we trade down ... and one later in the draft -- such as round 4 ... outside of S there is no more compelling need (to include WR).
     
  5. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    it really doesn't matter whether jt comes back or not seeing that he isnt in the future plans. this team desperately needs OLB help.
    anderson and moses can't get it done and wake is probably the best of the group but he hasnt even played the position yet.
    we will be drafting at least two guys and i hope one of them is brandon graham. he can play all the lb positions in my mind and can also be a situational pass rusher. i would love to move down and still get him but that is easier said than done
     
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  6. late again

    late again Senior Member

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    The "journalists" at bleacherreport are fans just like you and me. They have no inside information. So take what he says with that in mind.
     
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  7. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    doesn't take inside information to see that this team needs OLB help in the worst way. we just cut loose one of our dinosaurs and the other may not be back.
    the backups at the position are sub average.
    what does that leave you?
    a possible over the hill ex star returning (doubt it happens), a couple of nobodys in anderson and moses, and a guy who is listed as an OLB but can't play with his hand up. if someone mentions walden im going to LMFAO.
    this group is weak as hell
    not hard at all to see really
     
  8. Bpk

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    A) Late Again is right, this 'article' is a fanboy like you or me.

    B) I really dislike when writers misrepresent the truth, especially in headlines, to try to create interest. He says the Dolphins "Targeted" these linebackers. That means he KNOWS this front office has these five guys on their board with a big ****ing circle saying WE WANT THESE GUYS SPECIFICALLY> No, buddy, you don't have a damned clue if the front office has targeted these guys. These are five guys you THINK the Dolphins SHOULD target.

    ********'s trying to sell an opinion piece as reporting news and fact about what the Dolphins themselves intend to do.

    Low low quality stuff.

    That said, it IS fun to read about the prospects we have, journalistic standards aside, so thanks for posting the link in this thread.
     
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  9. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I've got to respectfully disagree with you.

    JT, and Wake's fullness as an OLB are the two determining factors in whether we take an OLB in the first round or two, or try to find a value pick later on. Or double up on OLBs early like we did with the CB position in Davis and Smith.

    If JT comes back, and they think Wake can make the jump from Pass Rushing Specialist to Full Fledged OLB, we only need another guy to take Taylor's place soon/rotate with him this year.

    If JT doesn't come back, we need someone who can start immediately, probably 2 guys if at all possible.
     
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  10. Bpk

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    I don;t see Cameron Wake flouishing as a well-rounded OLB. Sorry.

    He plays his best (by far) when he is a down lineman, and I have little faith he'll be able to play well dropping backwards into space.

    MAYBE he at least learns to honor his run gaps and hold the edge, read plays like screens. If he could at least do that much we can play him more.

    Otherwise he'll be stuck as a nickel and dime pass rush specialist.
     
  11. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    I don't think anything is certain, even with these five. Who knows who slides to number 12 depending on the flavor of the month for the first 11 teams. We still don't know if there will be any trades for any on the first eleven picks including the 1st. The Dolphins may get a chance to trade down from 12 for additional picks depending on who slides to No# 12 and how bad a team picking later may want him. Twelve is a good spot though for good talent or a trade.
     
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  12. Bpk

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    Totally agree that #12 is a PRIME spot for a trade in this draft.
     
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  13. DeDolfan

    DeDolfan Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Respectfully, you have no idea if he has any inside info or not. The author is a columnist reporting for the Fins and heat and submits certain articles to the site. He is just a newspaper writer much like Hyde, Kelly, Cote, etc. The article was not posted as any official report of any kind but just as one writer's opinion. Please don't make it any more, or less, than it is. :knucks:
     
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  14. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Sean, think about it...On the roster right now are JD Folsom, Wake, Charlie Anderson and Erik Walden. I guess you can include Q Moses, but he's a 3rd rd RFA and hasn't accepted his tender yet. JT is an UFA.

    Assuming Moses comes into the fold, the job of the OLBers would be his and probably Wakes to lose. Are you confident enough in that group to think that they won't be adding guys ?? I'm sure not. Wake has big questions about being a FT player. Moses has looked good at times, but couldn't unseat a disruptive, disgruntle and aging Peezy and an aging JT that finally showed his age last season. Anderson has been a good STs guy and fill-in when needed, but not a FT player. After that, who is there ?? Having a lot of bodies is different than having a lot of depth...

    No, this franchise has a dearth of OLB talent even if JT comes back.... I could even see them taking Graham/JPP/Hughes in the first and Kindle/Worilds in the second. We know they like to double up or at least have done so in their two drafts here.
     
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  15. late again

    late again Senior Member

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    http://bleacherreport.com/users/251998-michael-pinto
    Quote:"I'm a featured columnist for the Miami Heat and Miami Dolphins here on Bleacher report. Longtime season ticket holder of both teams. Been reporting on the sports scene in SFL for the last couple years and I'm an avid follower of the NBA, NFL, and College Football and Basketball.

    Diehard Dolphins, Heat, and Canes fan."

    http://bleacherreport.com/about
    Quote:"Bleacher Report is the world's largest sports network that is powered entirely by fan-generated content."
    By all indications he's a fan like you and I, writing about two teams he follows.
    To be fair I'll give you that he could have inside information. He could be the brother of some person in the FO, as unlikely as that may be.
    But he's not a legitimate journalist. For instance he doesn't get credentials that get him into the press box at Heat games or Dolphin games.
    How do I know this? Because his "Sportswriter Profile" tells me he writes for Bleacherreport only. If he wrote for someone else, as well it stands to reason that would also be included in his profile. Nowhere in his profile did I read anything to make me believe he's a professional writer for the Fins and/or Heat.
     
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  16. dolfan7171

    dolfan7171 Well-Known Member

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    These fans who write up these reports are doing it very well. It is professionally written and as far as I am concerning it gives me the impression that they have some inside information that no one else does. I really enjoy reading those reports. Keep sending them and I will keep reading them.
     
  17. Bpk

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    And that, to me, is precisely the problem because a real journalist tells readers they have "a source" or that their statements are well-founded. This guy wants you to feel like they are, but I highly doubt he has any such foundation.

    Anyways, it's a non issue because it IS entertaining to read as long as we understand it's just a fan's opinion.
     
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  18. PHINANALYST

    PHINANALYST Well-Known Member

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    agreed that 12 will be a good position to trade down with .... heck we could trade down twice and still end up around 20-22 .... and add some solid picks in late 2/ early and late 3 .... and i agree that we'll spend 2 picks on OLB in this draft .... and probably another ILB as well.

    this regime very much desires a game changing OLB .... and sorry JT just doesn't fit that mold .... and Wake is still very much a 1 trick pony right now. we really, really need that stud OLB to make this defense what it needs to be .....
     
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  19. DeDolfan

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    oh geez, does that really make that much difference? You don't think fans can not be writers/columnists or whatever?
     
  20. Killerphins

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    taylor is long in the tooth. today he is a as young as he will ever be
    dont sit on your hands and wait for him we have to move forward
    the linebacker situation is in shambles except for the dansby addition
    this is the year to add OLB twins
     
  21. finserg

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    That what i said when did they say anything about him ?
     
  22. late again

    late again Senior Member

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    I think anyone can be a writer. Being able to write is enough to make someone a writer. Ultimately it's certainly not worth arguing over. Nor was I really trying to turn this into a d**k measuring contest between the two of us....:lol:
    Due to the advent of the internet which in turn has allowed for the creation of blogging en masse, the lines have become awfully blurred as to what should and should not be considered "journalism".
    I guess I'm just a little old fashioned, in that I believe well written blogs are not enough to consider someone a journalist. I also believe there to be a difference between a reporter and a columnist, too.
     
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  23. DeDolfan

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    Actually, I can write but don't consider myself a writer. :lol: point taken tho!! :knucks:
     
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  24. brparkway

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    I think regardless of what JT does, the Fins will take at least one and possibly 2 OLBs, one of them early. And if by luck Derrick Morgan IS still there at #12, the Dolphins representative at the draft will break an indoor record sprinting to hand in the card. This guy has Parcells written all over him.
     
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  25. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    71...go to universaldraft.com and check out some of our guys in the Club forum here. If you want entertaining, informative and educational info about the draft...

    Better yet, join the Club if you can and you can hear from them a lot more...JMHO, but I'd take those three (as well as several others in the club over the bleacher report any day...
     
  26. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    NT & FS, JT re-signs
     
  27. DeDolfan

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    Considering JTs situation, ie career nearly over anyway, I would hop to draft another fairly early and then at least another later. It's foolhardy not to otherwise we train them from scratch. JT can mentor the yung'uns while he finished out his career, asuming he'll re-sign.
     
  28. mlb1399

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    I agree. Morgan is a Parcells type of guy, can play the run, has the size and can get to the QB. I could also see Graham if Morgan isn't there. According to most accounts, Graham is a workout warrior with the skillset to go with it. Parcells loves him some of those type of LB's.
     
  29. PHINANALYST

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    if he clocked as slow as the reports are .... he won't be much of a Parcells guy ...
     

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