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Official WWE/TNA Wrestling Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by alen1, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    A new topic for Monday? How about favorite tag teams?

    Mine were:
    Demolition
    Rockers
    Steiner Brothers
    Hart Foundation
    British Bulldogs
    Edge & Christian

    EDIT: Totally forgot about the Hollywood Blondes, bad job by me.
     
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  2. charlestonphan

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    no particular order:

    Midnight Express (Eaton and Lane version w/ Corny)
    Arn Anderson/Tully Blanchard
    Hart Foundation
    British Bulldogs
    Road Warriors
    Steiner Brothers
    Hollywood Blondes (Austin/Pillman)
     
  3. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    I think TNA will eventually wise up and realize that it is best to have the quality main events (like they are going to have tonight) on the live shows with better promotion. I also think that they will be going live every week fairly soon since WWE cna cherry pick and counter program a week in advance, every other week.

    As for tag teams:
    Rockers
    Road Warriors
    Steiners
    Doom (Simmons/Reed)
    Hollywood Blondes
    Outsiders (They were great for a few years)
    Harlem Heat
    Hardys (in their prime)
     
  4. charlestonphan

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    ok, i am calling y'all out. how can you list the Rockers as your favorite tag team, but not claim to be a fan of the Rock and Roll Express? :lol:

    i think the main reason i never liked the Rockers from the word go was because they were obviously Vince's rip off of the R and R Express. same for Demolition and the Road Warriors.
     
  5. Ray Finkle

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    I always liked the WWF over NWA/WCW in fact, I didn't start watching WCW until around 1991 or so. So that's probably a big reason why. And for some reason I just was never a fan of the RnR Express, even though The Rockers were pretty much copies of them. Maybe it had to do with just liking Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty more than Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson.

    As for the Demolition, again it had to do with the whole WWF thing but I just thought they were cooler than LOD. From the theme music (which was absolutely kick ***) to the face paint, I don't know I just liked them more. I did like the LOD when they came to the WWF in 1990 but I just kept rooting for Demolition, even during their brief feud. I think a lot had to do with that the LOD were pretty exposed once they came to the WWF and although Demolition weren't the greatest wrestlers in the world, I just thought LOD looked like chumps, of course I'd probably feel the same way about Demolition if they were given a talking dummy too.

    Again I'm not saying I didn't appreciate RnR Express or LOD I just liked Rockers and Demolition better.
     
  6. charlestonphan

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    yeah, i kinda figured that was the reasoning for both you and Sam, and i was just the opposite, always preferred NWA/WCW til the mid 90's or so, when the wheels came off for WCW. :up:
     
  7. Samphin

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    I grew up watching WWF so I am bias to their teams, although, the RnR Express were okay too. I liked the Midnight Express much more so as Bobby Eaton was such a good bad guy for some reason. That guy used to piss me off so much (in a good way) and I never even really knew why.

    And LOD, to me were so much better than Demolition...but I think the actual ripoff was moreso the Powers of Pain (Warlord and Barbarian) who disbanded almost immediately after The Road Warriors were signed. The Barbarian, just as an FYI, was my friend's dad in elementary school. It was pretty cool to go over to their place and see The ****ING Barbarian hanging out at the dinner table.

    It is also how I met Haku (WCW's Meng), who I always thought wa smuch bigger in real life than he came across on TV.
     
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  8. TheAnswer385

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    When do you guys think TNA makes the step to a larger venue? IMHO people turn that on and see how small the crowed is and that immediately turns them off from the show. Not a bad seat in the house.

    Awesome start to wwe by the way.
     
  9. Silverphin

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    I know this tag team breaks Ray Finkle's rules, but I loved The Rock and Sock Connection. This tag team was very successful despite the two characters being on opposite ends of the spectrum.

    After that, I loved all of the TLC tag teams (Dudley Boyz, E&C, and The Hardy Boyz), Harlem Heat, Kidman and Rey Misterio, Jr., and, of the most recent memory, Matt Sydal and Jack Evans.
     
  10. Vengeful Odin

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    Watching Raw ... good stuff thus far. Stone Cold still has it too. I'm calling his continued involvement in the Bret Hart / Vince storyline.

    As far as tag teams go, here's mine, in no particular order

    - Hart Foundation
    - Rockers
    - The Road Warriors
    - The Midnight Express (Eaton and Lane, with Cornette)
    - The Outsiders

    Honorable mention would have to go to the Steiners, Edge & Christian, and the British Bulldogs. I also ignored the superteams, like the Rock & Sock Connection, DX, and the Mega Powers, as they were singles wrestlers first and then tag team guys.

    I also have to admit one of my guilty pleasures back in the day was Delicious (Bagwell) and Vicious (Norton). I just thought their styles melded very well.
     
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  11. Ray Finkle

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    Not sure. Not even sure they could sell out a larger venue right now. I bet they would need a few more months with increased ratings and build up their brand before they can even think of it. Because nothing looks worse on TV than an empty arena.

    I actually didn't mind the Rock 'n Sock Connection only because I didn't really view them as a real tag team (much like other superpower teams like the Mega Powers or DX). I guess I'm kind of old school with thinking tag teams should dress alike especially if the team was around for a long period of time but it always bugged me when New Aged Outlaws never did it or even Edge & Christian or Owen Hart & Bulldog who were also long time tag teams without matching attire or a real established finishing moves, but I guess I over look them because they were good in the ring. But I guess when you look at it, the tag team landscape changed around the late 90s and no team dressed the same.
     
  12. TheAnswer385

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    Do you guys think the main reason for bringing Jimmy Hart in to TNA was to do their ring music?

    I didn't know until about a month ago when I wikid him and saw that he composed some wrestlers in ring music. NWO Theme and Shawn Michaels' for example

    Also he was in this band back in the 60s

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2apM0DAe1g"]YouTube- Keep on Dancing[/ame]
     
  13. Ray Finkle

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    NO ONE sells a leg injury like Bret Hart.
     
  14. Samphin

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    Didn't watch TNA tonight. Too interested in seeing Austin...who looks in fantastic shape. Skinnier than when he wrestled which is a good thing. Often times former wrestlers get fat and gross. I was a tad underwhelmed in how they used him and the crowd seemed to throw him off some (half the time doing the WHAT? game and the other time not, and Austin not sure if he should keep going with it or not). I felt that they should have utilized Austin much more so since he wasn't just some Hollywood actor plugging a movie (okay he was, but he WAS a wrestler and thus, knows how to sell and do everything).

    I liked the Bret Hart thing UP UNTIL he went all James Bond Villain on us and told us his entire master plan. I am pretty sure the entire audience understood when they showed the cast on the table, that he was faking it. And then a whack from that cast knocks McMahon out? If anything they should have had him keep the crutch and bend it over Vince's head or something. At least that would have looked more believeable. Nonetheless, the segment was good overall.

    I also enjoyed the Jericho-HBK match and was glad they had Jericho duck out. I was afraid he was gonna eat superkick and have their champion walk away a loser right before mania. So I was happy to see him somewhat save face.

    Good buildup for Sheamus two weeks in a row. Its too damn bad they couldnt do this while he was champion. He might have ended up getting over and keeping the belt until Wrestlemania like the original plan called for.

    I'm thinking that the Hall of Fame Class looks weak this year. No real big draw as I dont think most people would consider Dibiase the main attraction (more like the second name on the marquee). I suppose the rumors about Warrior backing out are true, as he would have been the headliner for sure.

    Also, kind of an odd show in that Money in the Bank didnt seem to get any hype and unles I blinked and mised him, I didn't see The Miz. Overall though, I thought the show was a pretty tight one and didn't offend me outside of a few nitpicky things. Austin certainly helped it.

    Oh the Legacy three way dance is a totally lame match to add and smacks of the writers not knowing what to do with the storyline. Orton going face (via fan response) I think has totally thrown them off. It is haphazard booking and makes no sense. They should of at least teased tension between Rhodes and Dibiase tonight to make it somewhat believeable. Have them fight over who got to beat down Randy, only to have Randy hit an RKO on only one of them. Then next week, they attack him again and the OTHER one gets an RKO, then show them pushing and shoving backstage with one another as Randy watces on, smirking as he has created tension between the two friends, further imploding Legacy and furthering along his face turn. Simple, easy and it works.

    As it stands now...I am left scratching my head.

    And no reprecussions for Mark Henry defying McMahon's orders last week? Not that I don't mind havign him off tv, but it seemed to me that having Henry face Batista and a partner of McMahon's choosing (MVP?), seemed sort of logical. Moreso than randomly facing Kofi (yes I am aware Kofi saved Cena last week, but still).

    Raw is in San Jose next week. Might have to call in a favor or two and see if I can score me some free duckets.
     
  15. Samphin

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    As for TNA and how/when they can expand, they HAVE to get out of the iMPACT zone. Those fans are the same ones each and every week and most dont have to pay since it is on Universal Studios Orlando's property and those guests get in for free. They cant fill WWE sized arenas yet, but they could easily fill the Hammerstein Ballroom (ECW Arena) and other venues of that size. The proble is money. It costs money to tour and broadcast. Beyond just the talent traveling, you have television equipment, stage equipment, and the corresponding crews to go with each, security detail (although you COULD farm that out locally, but typically you have your own guys, even indys do that.)

    Not sure if they have the funds to do that, with everything else they have taken on recently, but a mid term goal should be ot get away from the impact zone for at least two weeks of tapings a month. Keep it in the south with Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia, Mississippi, other parts of Florida and Texas if need be to start, but please move the venue around, otherwise it looks like WCW's Saturday Night and sort of low rent. It'll happen eventually, and hopefully sooner than later. And once they branch out, obviously local promos will help build the brand and hopefully sustain them touring more frequently.
     
  16. Ray Finkle

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    This might shock some people but I've been digging Randy Orton a lot lately. Probably since around Survivor Series time. I just think he's really improved in both his in ring skills and mike work. I do wonder how he's going to fare as a face but he's been getting pretty loud pops, ever sicne the Rumble (I wonder if he didn't face Sheamus if that would have started up, but it probably was only a matter of time). The key for him as a face is to not change a thing that he's doing with his character. He still needs to be the viper and have that slow walk and keep being who he is. Once he starts kissing babies and shaking hands the fans will crap on him much like they did in 2004.

    I don't mind that it's a Legacy triple threat match as I always felt Rhodes should be wrestling at WM anyway.

    And it's nice to finally see Sheamus actually getting a reaction from the crowd.

    I also thought the Bret Hart/McMahon cast beatdown looked pretty poor, especially since Bret's first shot was kind of sloppy and McMahon didn't really sell it because Bret hit him more on the arm. But I agree I don't think we needed Bret explaining his injury was staged, just showing Vince he didn't need the cast would have been good enough.
     
  17. Ray Finkle

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    Ok Tuesday's debate, least favorite tag teams:

    Bushwackers (just thought the gimmick was dumb and they were bad in the ring)
    American Males (Rocker wannabes with zero talent)
    Head Cheese (the WWF couldn't think of anything better to do with Al Snow?)
    Any new WWF tag team from 1995 to 1997ish (which included Bodydonnas, Godwinns, Well Dunn, Bleu Brothers, Techno Team 2000, etc)
    Any team with NEW in front of it (minus the New Foundation which was a pretty decent yet short lived tag team) whether it was the New Rockers, New Headshrinkers, New Midnight Express, New Blackjacks, etc.

    Yours?
     
  18. Samphin

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    The Headshrinkers (Fatu and Samu) were a pretty decent tag team that I forgot about.

    3 Minute Warning with Rosie and Jamal was awful (Jamal ended up being Umaga for those who don't remember).

    I also liked Money Inc. (Dibiase/IRS) and The Natural Disasters (Earthquake-Typhoon)

    Sorry, I am supposed to list ones I hated... :lol:

    I never liked the Beverly Brothers. I hated they gimmick and thought Mike Enos and Wayne Bloom were better than that.

    I LOVED the Quebecers (especially their WWF theme)

    I hated the Koko B. Ware - Owen tag team. I can't even remember their name, but their gimmick sucked to me. edit: High Energy

    I also disliked the Gang Warz teams from the Attitude era. The Nation, The Disciples of Apocolypse and Los Boriquas. Which is too bad because I am a SUCKER for factions in wrestling, but these all sucked pond water.

    I also hated that team Chronic with Atom Bomb and Crush. A tag team, on a family friendly show, that is based on both of them smoking weed...fantastic.
     
  19. TheAnswer385

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    I never liked Public Enemy or Billy Gun and the Road Dog Jessie James

    off the top of my head
     
  20. Ray Finkle

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    High Energy had a gimmick? I just thought they put both guys together because they had nothing better to do with either. They might have had the worst wrestling attire ever. I mean bright colored puffy pants with checkered suspenders? Seriously what was Owen thinking then?

    Agreed on the Quebecers, not only did they have a great theme but they were a pretty good and underrated tag team. I never understood why the WWF spent so much time building them up for almost 9 months and then had them job to the Headshrinkers and they were never heard from again. Only to have Pierre repackaged as a pirate.

    I liked the heel team of the Natural Disasters but couldn't get into them as faces. As for Money Inc. I wasn't a fan only because IRS bored the crap out of me with both his gimmick, no charsma and boring move set.

    I was going to try and save the whole Gang Warz teams for another debate but I agree I hated the Boriquas (I didn't care for the DOA or Nation either but they didn't bug me as much as Savio and Co.) especially since they were the worst gang yet always seemed to win matches.
     
  21. Samphin

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    Rotundo is a wrestler I have always respected. I got into him when he was Michael Wallstreet and Terri Runnels (Alexandra York and she was SMOKING hot) was his manager. That prick always seemed to win matches which annoyed the pee out of me. I think as IRS, he was SUPPOSED to be boring since he was playing an accountant. It was such a bad gimmick, but he somehow was able to parlay it into a believable character in a way.

    I tend to agree about the Natural Disasters being better heels. I should have clarified.

    Oh and we can add Men On a Mission to the list of tag teams I hate. Mo, Oscar and Mabel...yuck
     
  22. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Oh quick ratings show what I expected it to be. Raw = 3.7, Impact = 0.8. I figured that Impact would draw a lower rating because A: They were taped and people read the spoilers (like I did), and B: Austin was on Raw. So even if Impact WAS taped, a lot of people probably wouldn't have tuned in, or tuned in less.

    Anyhow, next week should be interesting. If Impact can bring their rating back up to a 1.0 or higher, then we will essentially have our baseline for Mondays set, and be able to judge more accurately from there.
     
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  23. Ray Finkle

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    I guess we can keep going with underrated tag teams now:

    -Hollywood Blondes (I don't think people really appreciate how good they were because they were only a team for a couple of months but were great)
    -Orient Express (very good workers that could put on good matches but the tag scene was so stacked at the time they never were given a chance)
    -Rougeous Brothers (again same thing with the Express)
    -The Quebecers (very talented team)
    -Owen Hart & British Bulldog
     
  24. charlestonphan

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    the Rotunda conversation reminded me of a good faction/ underrated tag team he was part of: The Varsity Club.

    "Coach" Kevin Sullivan managed Rotunda (Syracuse All-American amateur), Rick Steiner (Michigan All American amateur), and Dr Death Steve Williams (Oklahoma All American amatuer).

    they kind of interchanged between the three as a tag team, and wore their letterman jackets and singlets to the ring.

    over time they played up Steiner as a simpleton who was being controlled by the bad guys and they turned on him, making the Dog Faced Gremlin a baby face. they also used Terry Runnells in this gimmick as Steiner's nerdy ringside fan turned super hot girlfriend.
     
  25. Thunderbolt89

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    Yes I feel the exact same way about Orton. I am afraid that once he becomes a face that his character will water down and eventually lose what makes him the Viper. The reason why the fans are cheering is because of the way he is now and want to cheer him for that. The minute he walks down the ramp as a face smiling and shaking hands is when it becomes his first face run all over again. I liked him as a heel and wouldnt mind them keeping him a tweener for awhile before they turn him fully face. He can really be a major character for them and serves as a great antihero if they play their cards right.
     
  26. Ray Finkle

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    It seems like this debate of favorites/least favorites/underrated debates are starting to thin out so I'll just tackle managers and stables to wrap it up:

    Favorite managers:
    Bobby Heenan (was great on the mike and always good for a laugh and was always ready to take a bump)
    Elizabeth (just gave the Macho Man that much more to his appeal)
    Paul Heyman (I loved him as Brock's mouthpiece, it's too bad the WWE screwed that one up as well)
    Slick (I loved the guy, probably because of his Jive Soul Bro theme and music video)
    Jimmy Hart (Megaphone was a great touch, and he knew how to annoy people)

    Most hated:
    The Genuis (those poems were terrible and it's a shame Macho Man's brother was put in a crappy position)
    Mr. Fuji (yeah he's a legend but he managed tons of crappy teams outside of Demolition and never had winners)
    Jose L (yeah no way I can spell out his name but he managed HBK in '96 during his championship run which I think really hurt HBK's character a lot)
    Ted DiBiase (he could have done and been so much more as a manager)

    Stables:
    Horseman (no need to explain)
    Original nWo (from the birth until Starcade '97, then they were watered down)
    Original DX (HBK, HHH, Chyna, Rude just made edgy and good TV)
    Radicalz (the guys could work obviously, unfornately it was short lived)
    The Heenan Family (just a stable of good workers with old school heel tactics)
    1997 Hart Foundation (just a great stable I view them as the WWF verison of the Horsemen really)
    Original Brood (the theme and entrance was just awesome until Vince Russo decided to switch out Edge and Christian with the Hardys)

    Most hated:
    All 3 of the gang wars teams
    The Oddities (just so dumb)
    Katentai (a bunch of jobbers)
    any of the watered down verisons of the nWo whether it was Hollywood, Black & White, Wolf Pack, LWO, BWO, WWF nWo etc
    The Union
    Million Dollar Corporation
     
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    If Ray loses to CM Punk at Mania he will have to join the Straight Edge Society.

    I think that could be really interesting if Ray joins them.
     
  28. Vengeful Odin

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    On Managers, I was always partial to Jim Cornette, as I think he's always had a good mind for the business. As a kid I was always entertained by Classy Freddie Blassie.

    As far as useless managers, I really hated Sonny Ono in WCW. I thought he was third rate Mr. Fuji.

    I'll expand on stables later ... don't have the brainpower to process it right now. :lol:
     
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  31. TheAnswer385

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    Watching the TNA PPV, here are some tidbits of my thoughts...Scott Hall suited up in his old blood ring gear and didn't look as bad as I thought he was going to. Kevin Nash turned on Eric Young in the contract match and joined with Hall and syxx pac to their old Wolf Pack music after the match was over. Ric Flair came out at the start in a wheel chair which was funny because he kept yelling at the fans telling them to "ask your mother about me" or something to that effect. They kept wooing while he was talking, Flair told them to shut up, so instead of the "what!" chant they were wooing after every word. Generation Me really has been a solid tag team since joining TNA. I have been impressed with all their acrobatic wrestling, I haven't really seen them make any mistakes. I didn't watch the last two matches yet, so that's why I have no comment on them.
     
  32. Samphin

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    The main event for the PPV was pretty...clusterific. I saw someone else say this and I happen to agree that Hogan seems to be personally booking the main event program himself and it has been awful. I could be wrong, but it just seems like the type of stuff that Hogan would book.

    Having said that, I might be more inclined to watch Impact tonight since it is live, and I think they will pull out all the stops on live shows, and RAW is the go home show before Wrestlemania, which means that the wrestling will be kept to a minimum and the promos a plenty.

    I expect Kane and Pete Rose to have a confrontation that DOESNT end in a tombstone.

    I anticipate Foley facing Jarrett on Impact

    and I assume that the ratings will be roughly the same as they have been since this "war" started up.
     
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    Whos idea was it to have Pete Rose as a host? He sux

    Looked like he was scrambling to remember his lines during the HBK segment.
     
  34. Samphin

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    Yeah, Rose was awful.

    I liked Batista's promo, a lot. This heel character is perfect for him. A nice solid build for WM all around.

    Impact was okay. Odd way to start with Bischoff playing the guiter in the ring. Although, honestly, I was intrigued by the uniqeness of it in a way.

    And it looks like they are going with shocking tv to try to pull viewers. I have always hated when they do injury angles like they did with Hernandez tonight. I know the point is to generate heat for Morgan and build interest, but I hate the "this is real, which means all the other stuff is fake," voices announcers go into with stuff like this.

    I also think they are thinking that RVD and Hardy are their draws for the main event since they announced that those two will be in the main event next week as well. Probably a smart move as both have name recognition and cross over appeal (cross over for WWE fans).

    Not a bad show from them either. Two live shows on Monday Night makes for an exciting atmosphere, regardless of what the ratings are right now.
     
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    I thought that was a good TNA show overall it feels like its starting to come together a little bit....or it may just be me.??? I hate how they never talk about what happened to Samoa Joe though, its like it never happened.
     
  36. Ray Finkle

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    I didn't see either show again this week, just read the recaps but it doesn't sound like I missed much with either show.
     
  37. Samphin

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    Ratings:

    Impact: 0.86 (up from 0.84). Looks like we have our base for Impact now. Still a drop from their first live Monday show, but a slight improvement over last week which has to be at least slightly encouraging. I'll be curious as to what the numbers are once the quarter hours come out. I expect a weak rating next week with the taped show AND the post-Wrestlemania crowd tuning in to Raw. Speaking of which...

    Raw: 3.24 (down from 3.7). That has GOT to be disappointing for Raw going into their biggest show of the year. I think they have donw a tremendous job of building Wrestlemania and last night was no exception, so it has to be a tad concerning that a significant portion of their audience last week felt compelled enough to not watch this week. They still trounce Impact by roughly a 4 to 1 margin in viewership, but Impact being able to slightly build their audience while Raw lost a bunch of viewers is actually surprising to me.

    Who knew Dancing with the Stars viewers were also closet Raw fans? Or vice versa... :shifty:
     
  38. Thunderbolt89

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    You know what to tell you the truth I have been enjoying RAW for the most part as of late. TNA I hope does better but Im not really a fan of their booking,how many face/heel turns can you have in a week,it doesn't make sense to have that many.
     
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  39. Samphin

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    To be fair, TNA deals much moreso in shades of gray than they do traditional face/heel alliances. This has been their direction for over a year or so now, even with the seperate entrances they used to have for faces/heels.

    A team like Beer Money, for example, hasn't really changed their attitude throughout their tenure, yet, sometimes they are booed, and sometimes not. And are booked accordingly with each fued. If you think about it, it is much more reality based than your traditional booking, albeit somewhat confusing.

    Anyone who didn't see the Nash turn coming is either new to pro wrestling or a certified moron, so I don't think that is a good example either. And as far as I can remember, pretty much everyone else is still where they have been for a while.

    I think TNA's main problem right now is visibility and a bloated roster. I could pare down about 5-10 folks right off the bat and have a much tighter show I think. But that is just me, I like to try and keep everyone involved in just about every show, so I enjoy working with a smallish roster.
     
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  40. Thunderbolt89

    Thunderbolt89 Well-Known Member

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    I guess,and yeah with Nash I saw that a mile away. By the way though good point on the roster,I think it is way too crowded,some people they should be featuring don't make it on the show. Another thing that bothers me is the Samoa Joe thing,think they would mention it or even in kayfabe bother looking for Joe haha.
     

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