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What are the keys to a Super Bowl berth ?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by bbqpitlover, Mar 15, 2010.

  1. bbqpitlover

    bbqpitlover Well-Known Member

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    Usually when this talked about most people will say defenses win championships,
    but in reality if you were to look at the modern day Nfl you would see teams that usually had two things in common. These teams will most likely have a top tier quarterback and that quarterback would have a true number one receiver in the last seven Super Bowls either a wide receiver or a Quarterback won the mvp award. You would have to go back to 2003 when Dexter Jackson was the last defensive player to win the mvp and you would have to go back to 2001 to see the Baltimore Ravens who had a dominate defense through the season and the playoffs. So what moves does Miami need to make be consider a potential super bowl team, one would contest many things. But if you looked at the run of the Ny Jets from last year when and where did they become a contender ?
    Was the top defense, sure it helped but they didn't make a true run till mid season. So what happened around mid season ? The Jets traded for Braylon Edwards who performed at a high level for the jets. So where does that leave Miami ? Should they draft Des Bryant in the 1st ? Before we do let's take a look into Miami's past. Miami has drafted the following Wide receivers in the 1st round, Randal Hill, Oj McDuffie,Yatil Green and Ted Ginn Jr. Out of four guys three were or are bust in the Nfl. So what sould Miami do, should they trade for a proven wide receiver who is a play maker or should they draft a guy wait three years to see if he is a bust or not ?
     
  2. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You want your partner to conceive no earlier than the draft, maybe attempt to scare her the day of the Super Bowl?
     
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  3. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Ummm Super Bowl this year?? the keys???......I would say having faith in the Lord and praying....cuz it ain't gonnnnnnnna happen boys....lets be realistic here for a moment...if they sign nobody else and roll with Soli/Fergie/ or maybe they draft Williams at NT, Clemons and/or mayyyybe Thomas(draft) at FS, maybe sign JT back....draft a couple of OLB/ILBS....and a TE and hope they develop quickly.....yeah that MIGHT get us 3rd place....B-Low will be breathing down their necks...
     
  4. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    The keys in today's NFL are passing and stopping the pass along with a positive turnover ratio. You do that better than your opponent and you will win 95% of the time.

    For the Dolphins that means better talent at WR/TE and FS. Any other position will have less of an impact right now. Pass pressure is also important but we have been a top 10 pass pressure team the last two years. IMO we could repeat that without any other front seven additions. We obviously need improvements there but they are lesser immediate concerns compared to the aforementioned positions.
     
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  5. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    true true, alot of that had to do with Porter however, who is the next Porter?? Cam??
     
  6. High Definition

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    I'm afraid to get hammered for my truthful answer... but maybe we need an entire new...



    ...that will commit to focusing on getting help on BOTH sides of the ball.
     
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  7. larfo2224

    larfo2224 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Begin you attempts right now. In the beginning of April go "full bore". 1 Week before the game you need to start taking her on bumpy rides. 1 Day before the game, you need to begin the conception thing again..........Oh, did I forget to mention that you need to have someone to stand in for you during the birth, so you can watch the game. Good luck.
     
  8. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Just so I know, this is one of those "We need a WR RIGHT NOW OR I'M HOLDING MY BREATH UNTIL WE GET ONE" posts?
     
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  9. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    one word....."Execution"!
     
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  10. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=-

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    I have two: "don't suck"

    Also: "luck helps"
     
  11. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Lose the deadweight dinosaurs and develop young players
    oh wait we already dumped one of our dinosaurs and we have to wait and see if another gets resigned

    we aren't going to the SB this season anyway which gives you some time to get younger players on the field
     
  12. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What's your success rate on predicting Super Bowls?
     
  13. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    Yeah, the Saints should've never signed that dinosaur Darren Sharper

    EDIT: Don't we have like the 4th youngest team in the league?
     
  14. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    When 2008 Porter wasn't the same in 2009, the team actually had more sacks overall. IMO we could more than make up for Porter with Wake and Anderson.
     
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  15. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Since we live in the age of parity in the NFL, every year about twelve teams have a legitimate shot at the Super Bowl. The most important thing is not to get decimated by injuries. Too many injuries to key players and your season is done. Number two is having a legitimate franchise QB notwithstanding the once a decade Trent Dilfer types. Number three is getting hot at the right time meaning the playoffs. There was a time when the difference in talent level was enough that the better teams would always win but nowadays the talent level is close enough that getting hot at the right time allows slightly inferior teams to win and move on. Ravens beating the Titans last year, Saints beating the Vikings this year are just two of the most recent examples. Four its having the essence of balance. A good defense and a good offense. Due to the poor talent level of teams however you can get away with a dominant offense and a average defense or vice versa.
     
  16. High Definition

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    And the thread asks what exactly?
     
  17. Disnardo

    Disnardo Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I can understand your point, but you must understand that the Jets already have great Defense...NO Questions... So they NOW go to the next area of concern and that is their Offense...

    We still have many wholes to fill in our Defense before we go and take care of every whole left in our Offense...

    Is it a coincidence that Rex Ryan is fine tuning his D and is looking at bringing more weapons to his Offense??? IMO NO...

    and just to let you know... Braylon did not play well at times, had a few dropped balls... and just as a reminder the Jets with Edwards went 4-6 before Indi laid down for them and hand them a ticket to the Post Season, where they scared a few people, not because of their Offense, but because of how their D dominated the Bengals and SD...

    Our FO is doing things right IMO, you first need to slow down high power Offenses and you need a GOOD D to do that...

    Because anytime you get in to a high score shoot out, you ussually don't have the odds in your favor...
     
  18. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Key = Brandon Marshall.
     
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  19. Disnardo

    Disnardo Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    KEY= Talent and atributes like Marshal's... leave the attitude behind...:shifty:

    I must have missed the both 8-8 Seasons and the 7-9 Season with Marshall as their # 1 WR... if I did, then keep the Key...
     
  20. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Actually, you only don't have the odds in your favor in a shootout if your team lacks offensive weapons. Now if you have a good defense and the other team has equally good offensive weapons, then yes you are at a disadvantage b/c the rules favor the team with the offensive weapons.

    In a passing league it makes little sense to ignore the things that will give you an advantage.
     
  21. Pauly

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    Key 1: Versatility. Have a plan B you can implement if your plan A is getting torn to shreds. You don't have to be the best in the league, but if your opponent is stacking 8 in the box you have to be able to beat them by going deep and if they're taking away the pass you can pound the ball between the tackles. On defense an ability to at least slow down anything that gets thrown at you.

    Key 2: Execution. Good solid fundamentals and techniques.

    Key 3: The ability to make big plays. You can't nickel and dime your way to a SB win. Even if you don't go for the home run every time you're at bat you still have to hit home runs every now and again.

    Key 4: Getting everybody in the organisation working to a plan. Acquiring the right players through draft, FA and trades. Coaching the right techniques for the style of play you want. A lot of hard work for several years goes into getting it right.
     
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  22. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not disregarding any and all, you know, actual results in order to allude we may need a new coaching staff and front office because you didn't get a shiny new receiver three weeks into the offseason.
     
  23. High Definition

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    Saints 2007: 8-8
    Saints 2008: 7-9

    They should have gotten rid of Drew Brees prior to 2009 I tell ya.
     
  24. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    never predict them
    i just watch them
    last one i watched when we were there was 1985 bro
    been a while
    would love to get back
     
  25. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Didn't we win the division and 11 games two seasons ago with lesser talent?

    There's no reason we can't be in it this season. No one expected the Saints to go anywhere and what happened to them?
     
  26. High Definition

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    I said nothing about a coaching staff. OP asked for the keys to a Super Bowl berth and I suggested a front office (without saying, but you assumed that part correctly) that is geared towards improving both sides of the ball. This is year three. We have yet to make an attempt to bring in that #1 target to get the passing game going, while every other successful team in the NFL has that and more. It's clearly the new recipe.

    EDIT: Please don't list the signing of Ernest Wilford as a realistic attempt. We knew he was a #2 at best.
     
  27. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You're conflating what you want and what you like to see with what is in reality successful. You do not *need* what you are arbitrarily selling as a #1 target.
     
  28. High Definition

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    In my honest opinion... yes... you do need a #1 target.

    That is what I am stating. My opinion. This is an opinion based question / thread. Not fact.
     
  29. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Technically you don't "need" any position not even QB b/c there have been SBs won with an average QB. It just doesn't happen very often. About 95% of the SB winning teams had a QB that was a pro bowler at some point.

    And if you look at the other positions that SB winning teams tend to have pro bowlers at most often, you'll find WRs, LTs and Ss.

    So you don't "need" any position, but you're fighting the odds if you don't have good players at QB, WR, LT and S.
     
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  30. Disnardo

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    Sorry, but I thought we were talking about a WR position...

    I give Brees his kudos, but where would he or the Saints be without, his OL, WR's, TE, and RB??? Ohh and a impacting, game-changing Defense????

    The Saints have a more powerful Offense than the Colts IMO, but back to the Post and thread...

    Without a good QB, good OL, good Pass catching TE, good Running Back and Slot Receiver, your #1 WR won't garantee you Post Season apperance, unless your SOS is a poor one, like ours was in 2008...

    Nothing against the kid (Marshall), but he has had 1,000 yds for the last 3 years, I believe, and the Broncos have not had a winning season because of it yet???

    You need a pretty good Offense and a decent Defense to get you those winning seasons...
     
  31. padre31

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    The "keys" to a SB birth?

    Do what u do, better than anyone else does.
     
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  32. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    You are fooling yourself son....please don't, this team is flawed in season ending places...rookies aren't cutting it....

    2 years ago they played dirt for teams, had a 17.5 sack guy...and remained pretty much injury free...fast forward a year, played the meat of the teams you would have to play to get to the SB, and were exposed pretty prety badly....

    I love this team passionately, they are close, but not SB close yet...
     
  33. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    yeah I know thats a dig on me bro....I was drunk and angry when I said it...I didnt mean it...hahah although I do think they are screwing up certain things...
     
  34. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    In 2010 We Will Contend
    1) Henne (the IceMan) needs to step up from the get-go & play the ball he is capable of playing
    2) defensive backfield needs to be coached up
    3) Ricky & Ronnie need to run in tandem
    4) Hartline needs to break out early as a PlayMaker
    5) the Orca-5 have to be @ 100% from game one to the end of the season

    6) Nolan needs to be a driving force in the training camps & pre-season
    I see a SuperBowl on the horizon
     

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