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Taylor says he's drawing the interest of four teams.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ATVZ400, Mar 11, 2010.

  1. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    :up:

     
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  2. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Who the hell is Groves?

    btw having taylor and crowder as starters is weak and a liability

    how can you agree wake will be a starter at OLB when he has never even really played the position.

    unbelievable
     
  3. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    well then by all means since it is JASON ****ING TAYLOR lets sign him to a big contract and keep the guy till he is 50. He can play off what he has done in the past. Everyone loves the name... Its JASON ****ING TAYLOR right?

    if you remember JT did say he would trade all of his teammates to play with Tom Brad'y balls in NE. I'm sure he would still love to go there. give him his wish and be done.
     
  4. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    I don't know where this "he's playing off his name" or "getting by with what he has done int he past" thing comes from.

    He's playing the SOLB position. He's not going to rack up a lot of sacks and tackles, because more often than not he's battling the TE and a T.

    I'm not a huge fan of ProFootballFocus, but JT was the 8th rated 3-4 OLB last season, and 4th against the run.

    Taylor was still a force in the passing game, recording 7 sacks from the SOLB position (2nd on the team).

    Sure, Taylor only had 43 tackles, but keep in mind that this was almost as many as Channing Crowder (51), which would have been tops among linebackers on the team.

    Factor in that he was playing with a torn up shoulder, and I have a hard time getting the hate for #99. It just seems unwarranted and misplaced.
     
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  5. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    Oh, and I'm going to need a link to back this up because all I've ever seen from JT is how much he absolutely hates the Patriots. I think you have him confused with Wes Welker.

    EDIT:

    Here's the quote, from when the Pats were looking at him a year ago.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/03/espncom_jason_t.html

    Hardly the love-fest that you make it out to be. Sounds more like a guy trying to get a contract. And then he took less from us than what the Patriots offered him to come back last season.
     
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  6. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    when did he say he would trade all his teammates?
     
  7. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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  8. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    I think he's complimenting what a great QB Tom Brady is, especially when you factor in that we had (in March of 2008) had absolutely no QB play since the retirement of #13.

    I don't read that as "I want to go to New England and I hate Miami." I read that as "Tom Brady is a stud and I'd love him on my team."

    You're reading between lines that aren't there man.
     
  9. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    not to mention for a pretty boy he sure has played hurt a lot lol. Thats ridiculous.
     
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  10. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    think what you want. you asked me to present the quote and i did.

    as a Dolphin fan I lost all respect for JT when he made that statement.
    he can just go away
     
  11. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Way to twist that into supporting your ridiculous argument..

    When Taylor said that, I agreed with him. His team mates sucked

    But it says nothing about going to NE to play with Brady, as you suggested.

    Just admit you have some kind of grudge against him for the dancing thing. Because quite honestly, if you couldn't watch his play last year and see that he did a pretty damn good job, all things considered........then you're either blinded by your hate or just have no idea what you are seeing.
     
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  12. DolfanJake

    DolfanJake Banned

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    And it looks like they are just nonchalant as can be in this off-season. Dansby is the only real move made so far, where others around us are reinforcing and strengthening their teams.

    We finished 7-9 and on a 3 game losing skid, and lost 4 of the last 6. What in God's Green Earth would make you think this year will end any differently ?

    Another 7-9 or 8-8 season, and I can see Mr Ross listening to his good buddy Carl Petersen, tell him he could do a lot better job, and that Parcells and his minions are no longer capable. They are, in my opinion, on a slippery slope and its being greased every day by Mr. Petersen.
     
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  13. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    Brother you said a mouthful!

    We must have one hell of a draft plan this year because we aren't doing much else. We should have been all over Ben Watson! I must admit that I am stumped by that.
     
  14. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Exactly, JT has one more contract left then there will be no more money coming in from the Football gig, he should grab what he can while he still can imho.

    JT signs here for a 1yr deal at a cut rate, tweaks a hammy or what have you, there will be no new deals forthcoming, this after he turned down 8 million in DC, and played for 1.5 million last yr which was probably 2.5 million under what the market would have been for him.

    Turning down 10.5 million bucks to play for the Dolphins is admirable, but JT also needs to look out for himself and his family, I wouldn't blame him a bit if he signed elsewhere.
     
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  15. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    Your argument would have weight if he didn't produce. The problem is that he did produce. You don't have to lead the league in sacks to deserve a roster spot, even on a good team. You've been called on this before but I suspect I'll get your typical 'he's old' deflection with no actual numbers or data that indicate he's not really a productive player at his position. Now you're even resorting to quotes that are two years old. Taken out of context they are bad, but if they were really that bad why did nobody bring this up in 2008. At a time when everybody was down on him for going on the TV show, why didn't people take advantage of this extra ammunition?
     
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  16. Killerphins

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    first off i don't hate jason taylor nor did it bother me that he was on DWTS
    it was all the stuff that went on at that time
    the quote i posted earlier about him trading everyone of his teammates for brady rubbed me the wrong way
    also he said he would be back after the show and he didnt show up to help with all the mentoring everyone speaks of so highly. i felt like he didnt care
    he was supposed to be the face of the team and he left everyone hanging
    i know he came back and played for cheap but he was saving face, trying to polish his tarnished legacy
    look im as die hard a dolphin fan as there is out there and im not going to sugar coat things.
    crucify me all you want but i still cant get past all the negatives at that time
    now with the team facing a rebuilding time i see the future and he is not part of it
    if i step on some toes voicing my opinion well that is how it is and i am entitled as a fan to have my opinion
    now that ive said my point i'll back off and let it play out and see what happens
     
  17. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    I'm glad i didn't read that before i might have not liked it at all either. Not a Brady fan but he would have been a major improvement over some of our QB's.
    That said Jason would be well worth staying on this deffence one or two more years the guy still has some swagger in his game and hopefully not an outrageous price tag its a win win with him at this time.
     
  18. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I meant Moses, not Groves.

    Wake has as much experience at OLB as Dumervil did in his first year under Nolan.

    And JT may have rubbed you the wrong way, but an objective analysis would recognize that he played very well last year and was not just getting by on his name.
     
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  19. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Can anyone give me a list of the four teams interested?
    I would love to know
    Is JT driving up his own value?
     
  20. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    :up:
    when will moses wake up
    93 will get his chance to get on the field
     
  21. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    As a guess:

    Denver
    NE
    SD
    Jax
     
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  22. late again

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    I would think the Chiefs would be interested as well.
     
  23. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    You're not stepping on anybody's toes, this is a place for debate, you have a right to think what you want, right? The real reason you don't want JT to be a Dolphin now seems obvious, because you're still pissed about 2008. I'm assuming that because you have yet to even attempt to prove how he was a liability at LB last season. I mean if you could show how he was statistically terrible compared to his peers or something that would be a point nobody could ignore. Not leading the league in sacks anymore hardly makes him a bad player.
     
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  24. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Fodo for thought, JT played more plays than any other Lb for the dolphins last season, 828, the next closest player was Porter with 755.

    The staff clearly liked the job he did, and let me stress again..he had a bum shoulder for 10 games.
     
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  25. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Or they just didn't feel comfortable with the depth taking a larger role yet.
     
  26. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    And that's why it's important to have some vets mixed in on the team. A lot of rookies and young players just aren't ready to start right away. It's naive to think we're going to draft such a great LB corps in this one draft that there won't be a spot for a Jason Taylor on the team.
     
  27. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i dont think its naive. if it was naive he would be signed already.
     
  28. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Don't think so Adamp, JT imho is doing what he has done most yrs prior to 09, taking the offseason "off', if he signed now, he would have to participate in all of the offseason workout program.
     
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  29. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    I'm not so sure that's the reason he hasn't been signed. A market value has to be established for him because he played for below his value last season. Naive might be a little strong but I think it's a longshot that they'll be able to completely solidify the rest of the LB corps in this draft alone.
     
  30. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    He's still a solid even good SOLB but at 36 you have to think of the future. I am not opposed to keeping him or getting rid of him. If we keep him we can risk a 3rd or 4th rounder on a guy like Greg Hardy and hope that Jason Taylor can teach the guy how to be a football player. If we get rid of him, we simply continue the transformation quicker. Although he played well last year I dont think he played so great that he's a must sign. They shot Old Yeller didnt they?
     
  31. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    :lol: you're probably right
     
  32. padre31

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    Oh yeah, I had forgotten that last yr during this period the story went that Sparano had faxed the offseason workout program to Taylor, and he had hired a personal trainer to help him with it.

    Who knew "personal trainer" means 'golf caddy"?

    :lol:
     
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  33. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    careful having this opinion
    i have said all along that keeping JT here just stunts our growth
    he is not a must sign and at 36 has NO FUTURE on this team
    player fans dont want to hear or admit reality of his age and that father time is undefeated
     
  34. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Please, the future is NOW killahp, never forget that and never bother with the soft soap of "potential" a player can help to win games RIGHT NOW or they cannot help at all, two yrs from now is an eternity in football time.
     
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  35. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    JT was easily the best LB on the Dolphins last year. Take a look at Bell's INT vs. the Steelers and you will see him 30 or so yds. downfield selling out against the pass in week 17.

    And ...

    Seldom do young players get a chance to train with a HOF caliber talent. He's earned the right to retire a Dolphin. Price should be irrelevant at this point.
     
  36. bluehaze

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    I wouldn't mind seeing JT stick around to get a ring with us but I won't be upset if he's not here just the same. He was a great guy him and Zach were the face of the franchise for a long time but ever since Zach left Taylor really hasn't been the same. Remember the whole dancing with the stars, then coming back and saying he was going to retire and become an actor and whatever else he seemed to have lost his focus. Then last year I don't remember which game it was but he was on the sidelines screaming his *** off at Davis and Smith and I don't think he had a sack or a pressure that whole game so i'm not sure how all that went over. I'll leave it to the guys on the inside to determine wether he's a distraction or not as I really don't know but I won't be upset either way.
     
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  37. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Jason Taylor is no charity case. He still has plenty of game left to play & is a role model, mentor & standard bearer for the team. He is worthy of a decent contract & our collective respect. He is an Icon in Dolfandom.
    give him a contract commiserate w/ his worth:thanx:
     
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  38. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    To some people football is obviously about putting your body on the line for over ten years and then being thrown out like yesterday's garbage when you are no longer a candidate for defensive MVP. Hopefully one day football teams can be composed of robots so we don't have to worry about that pesky human factor.

    It's not like the man is 45 or something, he's no spring chicken but he outplayed the rest of the linebacking corps last season. How often do new players get to come in and learn from a future hall of famer? But yeah let's let him go play for a rival. I just have this crazy feeling Bill Bellichick will be able to get something out of him, despite how geriatric he obviously is at this point.
     
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  39. muscle979

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    You're right, I'm sure JT being on the roster will take up a spot that would have been occupied by the next defensive superstar. Because if they sign him there's no way they'll draft any linebackers... they certainly don't have that kind of foresight in the Dolphins FO... If they sign one older vet that definitely means their philosophy is to try to win championships with players over 30... I hope my sarcasm is coming through here.

    I'll be ecstatic if we ever get some solid evidence of how JT was a bad OLB last season. If JT was on the roster and was being outperformed by a young guy he'd hit the bench in a hurry. I don't know how anyone can think that Coach Sparano doesn't do everything he can to put the best player on the field. Do you honestly think they would bring JT back and just give him a starting spot regardless of his performance? There is nothing that has happened in Miami that indicates that would be the case. Fans might be sentimental but the guys in charge down in south Florida won't let it cloud their judgment. They cut Zach Thomas for crying out loud.
     
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  40. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    on the fence i see
    but at least you had the balls to say it :up:
     
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