[Merged] Pennington to re-sign | No-trade clause holding up deal

For the first time

...we actually hear that Pennington might actually want to remain beyond playing. Not our speculation or wishes. But an actual source speaking to the possibility that he might want to do it at the NFL level.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...d-pennington-to-return-to-miami-dolphins.html

 

Maybe you could clarify how you could assess him on what 8 plays all year?? That is not being fair to Pat White. The guy got his clock cleaned trying to make a play for our beloved dolphins and now all of a sudden you guys are down on him. Man the guy deserves an opportunity to prove him self and running a few Gadget plays ain't gonna get it done......JMO

 

See...I'm all for that. As a coach, I say bring him back. But, as a player? As a QB on our roster...not so much.

Again, JMHO...

 

You do realize that Pennington's best year ever was in 08 with us. A year in which he....

• didn't make the Pro Bowl
• didn't throw for even 20 TDs
• didn't win a playoff game.

For it being the best year of his career, he really didn't do a whole lot.


More reasons Pennington shouldn't be our starter...

• He is coming off another shoulder injury.
• He already had no arm strength before.
• At 33 years old, he's never thrown for 4,000 yards, or 25 TDs. (Fun Fact: Peyton Manning has thrown for at least 26 TD in every year of his career. Pennington --> ZERO TIMES)
• He has only started all 16 games 2 times in 8 years since becoming a starter.
• Chad Henne is better.

 

have to disagree with the last statement Pennington is better. Is Pennington a QB of circumstance? What i mean by that is we could have had Dan Marino, Peyton manning, Joe Montana, etc at QB and I guarantee they would not have posted better numbers then Pennington did in 08. He did what he was asked to do.....game manage and he did it very well. You don't remember the grumbling that Pennington didn't make the pro bowl that year......he posted a 97.4 rating. Henne same team next year....75.2.

I am not saying Henne sucks or won't be a good QB. I just think with the receiving core we continue to maintain he nor Pennington can do very much better then they have. I just feel Pennington is a better QB right know....today, then Henne. It is possible Henne will better at some point. Pennington gives us the best chance to win. A lot of people were saying how they couldn't wait to see the bombs Henne was gonna be launching to Ginn. I remember 2 or 3 all year. One was a gorgeous TD and the other two Ginn dropped.

Pennington can read defenses better.

Pennington has better touch on his passes

Pennington is a veteran starter

Pennington knows the offense

Pennington is more patient

Pennington has no problem throwing balls 45 - 50 yards

Pennington makes the Wildcat fun

Pennington is not pissed off at the world

Pennington's helmet does not look 2 sizes to small

 

And # 10. EVERYONE knows how to pronounce "Pennington".
But with Henne people seem to be divided as to whether or not the second E is silent........HEN or HENEE???

 

Thats about how I feel. While its great to bring him back for what he can bring to the table to help improve the growth of our young QB's, You have to wonder what it really does for Henne's growth and control of this team. Part of me really thinks were making a bit of a mistake bringing back Pennington.

 

All those points are made moot by the fact that a good defense will smother him.....and did. He's now a journeyman QB, not much of an offensive threat and if at any point he regains the starting job, this rebuild job is over and the Trifecta will have failed. We'll be going backwards...


Aside from wanting him to remain with the organization, keeping him from the Jets and tutoring Sanchez, I'd say this is also a move to unload Thigpen and or White for pick(s). I would guess either one could be had for a 4th rounder and I'm quite sure both are on the block.... with Thigpen likely to be the one playing elsewhere this season.

I can't see them keeping all 4 of those guys, even if White takes on a different position. Pennington makes Thigpen obsolete now, can't see him being in a Fins uniform this year. And with Penny in his way I'd say Thigpen is at top value right now. He's not gonna rise any sitting on the bench all year

I can think of several teams that should probably consider a 4th for Thigpen...... Denver, San Fran, Buffalo, Washington, Carolina, Minny, Oakland, St Louis. He could probably win the job for at least half of those teams. That's worth a 4th..

As far as White.....from day one his best chance at success and our best chance at getting value from that pick, is as an all purpose player and or WR....I'm going to be pretty disappointed if the staff still hasn't figured that out.

 

Maybe you can say he was not used properly by our coaching staff last year, but, 0-5 passing (and he wasn't even close to making a completion on any of them) and under 4 yards per carry isn't exactly promising for a 2nd round pick. On top of that, the bizzare play calling with him was not complementary to the offense but seemed more often than not, disruptive. That is not his fault but I sure don't see much reason to get excited about him at Qb at his level. Maybe we can get something out of him at receiver, but whichever spot they find for him he had better bulk up in a hurry.

 

seriously? thats weird, because Peyton Mannings worst season is better than Pennington's best season. Please don't compare Pennington to an alltime great. Pennington is barely suitable at an NFL starter when healthy. He holds nothing on Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, Favre, Brady, etc. Just because Pennington has mastered the art of not making huge mistakes, doesnt mean he has the ability to be an elite passer.

same team? minus David Martin, without Ronnie and Cobbs for most of the season, and against a much tougher schedule AS A FIRST TIME STARTER.

Pennington can't do any of those things while his shoulder is torn in two. Which just happens to be 90% of the time.

 

Well with teams like Cleveland and St Louis actively looking to trade for a QB, makes me wonder what we could get for Thigpen. I like having Pennington back as long as he doesnt see the field due to injury or crappy play.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/05/mort-pennington-deal-snagged-by-no-trade-clause/

Looks like they say Pennington wants a clause that states no trades.

 

Pennington deal held up by no-trade clause

Details galore from Mort.

Mort says that....just as we have heard.....Pennington doesn't want to move his young family and wants assurances he won't have to this season. But...

Jets, Rams, Redskins still on his radar.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4967395

 

No wonder they want to avoid limiting options. A veteran team's QB gets hurt they may send a 4th round pick.

 

Sounds kinda shady on the FO's part....and confusing because I would think one of the main reasons to sign Penny is to put Thigpen on the block.

Signing with the Fins so they can trade him for picks would be stupid (on his part) and this doesn't show much loyalty to Penny. Personally I'm ready to move on but at the same time, if nothing else I wouldn't mind keeping Pennington away from the Jets and helping to groom Snatchez.

Not agreeing to a trade clause is kinda surprising.......he's obviously not all that important to them.

 

Hmm, usually I can determine who's side I'm on in a case like this easily but this is one of those rare times when I feel that both the organization and the player are right. Tough situation. I want Pennington here though, especially since he's openly willing to be a backup and potentially a coach.

 

They have to keep their options open though. Like another poster said, what if someone is desperate early in the season and thinks they need Pennington and will pay a premium for him? I doubt they plan to just flip him, that would be sickening.

 

They'll sign him most likely once one side gives in.

 

Pat White V. Pennington.... eww.

Pat White was an unbelievably flawed decision and a waste of our 2nd round pick. So flawed IMO that I wondered if Dave Wannstedt had snuck into our draft war room and played a prank on us the minute I heard we had picked White.

Having said that, we did pick White and we did spend a 2nd round pick on him.
It's in our best interest to at least attempt to find a position where he can give us some return on the investment.

Pennington gave us one fun year to watch.
As great as that is, that's all it is.

It was a perfect storm for Pennington that year.
All the stars aligned for him.
It's doubtful he could have a year close to that again.
Penny is a very smart QB, mentally talented at the position I'll give him that.
However, he just has too many negatives to overshadow that trait.

He's old, he's been consistently inconsistent year to year, he's been an injury waiting to happen and he has serious physical limitations.

Add those points to the fact that we are a young and growing team with a young and talented QB ready to really step into a starting role, making it a point to sign Pennington really just seems like a step in the wrong direction to me.

Pennington is in a point where he'd be a great fit for a team that is in transition at the QB spot and just needs a temporary stop gap solution.

We were in that spot when we brought him in but were not anymore.
He just does not fit.

If we gave up last years 2nd round pick for him I'd have to say that would be a bad decision and if we gave up Thigpen I'd think that would be an even worse decision.

 

Give him a contract, with a clause if he's released he has a two yr contract working with David lee. We can never have enough brainy people around imo. Henning is gonna move on in the next few yrs, which lee is suited for! It takes awhile to learn coaching even if your name is Pennington maybe he grabs the qbs.
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Seems kind of strange if that report from Mort is accurate (and they usually are), 2.5 million for the 3rd Qb? Ouch. Well its not my cash and it gives us options to trade him or Thigpen to a team in need of a Qb after injury, etc. Surprised Pennington would not want to at least be the 2nd string.

 

Okay lets be real.....Chad Pennington would be the best backup in the league. If he gets his no trade deal he will be a Miami Dolphin...plain and
simple. I also LOVE the thought of having him on our coaching staff in
the future. He is just the type of player, mentor, and personality this
franchise needs. With that bieng said I do not see anyone biting on a Pat
White trade. He is too small to play QB in this league. I think he however
does have some value...BUT WE CAN NEVER again get in a situation where
his is called upon to play an entire quarter let alone an entire game. I wonder
if we could use Pat as a receiver/return man?????? That would allow
us to keep all 4 quarterbacks...and we might need them. Now Ted Ginn Jr....it is no secret I have never been sold on him. I just will say
one thing on this subject GOODBYE. great person. bad fit for us. I
think we should explore signing boldin...the timing for such a move could
be right for us. OH, and I agree with what they are doing with Ronnie
Brown. Me think the wildcat is over anyways.

 

Package White and Porter (who AZ wants) and a 4th rd draft pick to AZ for Boldin.

Win/win for both teams.

 

That's going to really piss me off if a No Trade clause forces us to lose out on Pennington as a backup. Give him the stinking No Trade clause. He's forsaking his playing time for the good of our team, he could easily start anywhere else, and probably make twice what we're offering him.

Augh, politics. We're not likely to get much in the way of a pick if we were to trade him anyways. It's not like he'll be seeing much play time, and he's only signing a one year deal from what it looks like.

Excuse me while I go bang my head against a wall

 

I am a big Thiggy Smalls supporter, but if we can get back our 5th for him (or possibly more with a desperate team) I would be A-O-K with that

 

I say give him the no-trade clause and sign him. What Pennington (and/or his agent) is doing is basically forcing the hand of the front office to decide what they're going to do with Thigpen and White. The problem is that I'm not sure that they've figured that out yet. I don't see any way in the world we'd keep 4 QBs on the roster. So with the no-trade clause, the Trifecta has to do something with one of the other two.

 

If this actually happens.....I think hopefully they would trade Thiggy....

 

The Dolphins have paid QB coaches and offensive specialists. Why would they hire Pennington just so he can also coach Henne? Another coach on the payroll? No thanks. I wouldn't sign him if he wants no-trade clauses if he's there merely to mentor Henne. Tell him to walk. He has enough money that if doesn't want his family to move anymore, then he should take his cash and retire.

 

1. If he signed here he'd be 3rd string, not back-up.

2. He could not easily start anywhere else. If he could start easily, he wouldn't be here as a 3rd stringer.

 

I doubt that Penny would start for any other teams, except via injury to a starter. Penny is a good QB, but has definite limitations. The work ethic, attitude and 'coaching' ability he brings is rare amongst players in any profession but those physical limitations hold him back from being a legit starter for most teams (except, as I said, in the case of an injury). That's his value at this point. The no-trade clause is an issue with the Fins as he could be moved out later on if someone else becomes desperate for a starter, particularly after TC starts. For example, wouldn't the Vikes be interested if Brat Favre decides to leave them at the alter in July ?? At any rate, the quandary, imo, is White. What do they do with him. He's not an NFL caliber QB, but he also hasn't been successful at anything else, but they invested a #44 pick in him....If this guy can't become a 'slash' type player or WR or returner or something other than a failed WC QB and failed backup QB, then he has to be the odd man out. However, they probably want to give him a little more time (even if I won't)...but that no trade clause would then become an issue...

 

I hope not, unless the trade is heavily weighted in our favor. I'd much prefer Thigpen to White as our backup. Hopefully they can either get something for White, see how he can possibly play WR, or just cut the losses and let him go. That'd be very early to give up on a 2nd rounder, but I didn't like the pick at all to begin with.

 

I honestly don't think they'd sign him to a 2.5 million contract to be a true 3rd string. He's got to be the fall back guy for Henne if Henne goes down. Just like Henne was the "3rd string" QB, but was activated when Pennington went down.

And it's been pointed out a few times that this move was to stay in Miami was moreso a choice of family, than it was a choice of desperation. There's been a few teams reported as having interest in him. Whether those are just rumors, who knows. But to pin it as an "either be a 3rd string or don't play" sort of situation just doesn't seem to go with what we're hearing. Maybe easily was a bad choice of words, but I don't think this was his best choice in regards to his football career. Best for Football and Family, yes I agree with that.

 

They aren't carrying 4 QB's no way....somebody is getting dealt, and Penny agents know that or they wouldn't have wanted the NTC, if Thiggy nets us a 3rd or a even better a 2nd....you have to do it...HAVE TO!!! then take the 3rd you get and flip it to Ariz for Quan.....it is like getting Boldin for free hahah!!

 

Jeeze, even a 4th for that matter. He came in for a 5th though, so I don't know that anyone is really looking that well on him. He's only had one game, with a mediocre performance (but promise), since that trade. If someone offered anything higher than a 5th for him I'd be pretty surprised (and totally jumping out of my seat).

 

And that's why I said that the trade would have to be heavily weighted in our favor. If we could get a 2nd, he'd be gone before the ink dries. Even a 3rd. But, I just don't see any way in the world that would happen. And in that case, I'd hang on to Thiggy and find something else for White to do.

 

Whoo hooo, tell me this Cole, you trade Thiggy for Quan??!?!?!?! I would tell said team who traded for Thiggy dont even send the pick here, mail it to Ariz please!!! hahahaah as if a pick is a tangible item!!!

 

Yeah, I'd probably do that. Although if doing a straight-up trade, I'd much prefer a conditional pick for Boldin due to his penchant for getting injured.

 

According to Mort, Penny has resigned for one year with a "trade bonus" instead of a no-trade clause

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4970681