Have the Jets passed us?

Yeah, the fact that they've got more all-pro level talent, the #1 defense in the NFL and beat the #2 seed on the road in the playoffs to get a Championship game we haven't sniffed in about 20 years means nothing.

 

No, actually I'm not. Super Bowl winners are usually division winners. Not every time but most of the time they are. If you suck in your division then you're not going to get into the playoffs most of the time. The Jets were beneficiaries of some of the luckiest set of circumstances I've ever seen put a team into the postseason. You have to be good in your division to be for real. Good hard, tough play and a lot of luck is extremely helpful but to be elite you have to beat your division. Name me one Super Bowl champ who had a losing divisional record. Find me even a Super Bowl participant who had a losing divisional record.

But all that really is not the point. As I said earlier, in what world have you passed two teams when you lose most of the time you play against them? It's not like the Jets beat the Pats or Dolphins to enable them to get to the title game. Because the past season showed us that if they would have had to, the odds are they would have failed. The numbers don't lie. 1-3.

 

We've owned San Diego for a decade. That doesn't impress me. They are the biggest playoff chokers in some time. Is it really that impressive that NY advanced on them and a team that hasn't won a playoff game since Boomer Esiason was their QB?

 

Yes, they were 2-4 in the division.

But, they also GREW as a team over the season, into a legit Super Bowl threat. They went on the road and beat 2 playoff teams. The young players like Sanchez and Greene really came on at the end of the season. Miami choked at the end of the season. The Jets played their best, and will carry the positive momentum into the 2010 season. There's no reason to believe Sanchez won't improve, and that the defense will be any worse next year. Leon Washington and Kris Jenkins will both be back, and Shonn Greene will be the opening day starter at RB. The O-Line remains intact.

So I disagree that the Jets are "behind the curve" based on their division record.

As a previous poster mentioned, are the Bucs on the same level as the Saints because they went 1-1 against them? That is the EXACT same logic as saying the Dolphins are ahead of the Jets because of their 2-0 record against them.

 

You're ignoring the fact that one anomaly of a football game is the difference between us and the Jets having the same divisional record.

That is important because the question is about whether the Jets are better than us at the moment and not whether they're a Super Bowl quality team, so your point about Super Bowl participants that don't have winning divisional records is fairly superflous because I never suggested they were.

 

Considering they were able to at least get that far while we lost big games at the end of the season, on our own turf, says it all. Spin it all you want, the proof is in the pudding.

I also seem to recall losing to San Diego this year.

 

The All-pro talent thing is debatable. They had a good year and caught some team's by surprise. But they also had a good year in 06 and followed that up with a 4-12 season in 07. Same goes with the Dolphins I wasn't ready to coin them the pride of the AFC East last year when they won the division. Consistency is the goal. Not one year wonders. This season will be crucial for both teams.

 

No it's 3-0 against them and should be 4.

The Jets have a very good defense. No one can argue that. They did not play great at the end of the year..... HOWEVER!!

The Colts were leading the second to the last game and pulled most of their starters. The Bungaloes did the same thing. The Jets backed in to the playoffs and made a run against two very beatable teams in the playoffs. That does not make them an instant SB contender. They still have to fill holes on offense and hope their Qb grows because he was not THAT good at all thru the season. Decent at times yes. YES, you can come right back with Miami's flaws because they surely have them.

The Dolphins, with a much lesser defense, put it on them twice this year and that most certainly plays into things.

Both teams are not that far off in other words and pretty close to even.

 

I'd say the Jets are better then us on Defense but I think when fully healthy we are better on Offense. The Jets got on a roll at the end of the year but I wouldn't say they are much better....we have beaten them the last three times. I think it will be a three way race in the NL East next year, with the Bills in the cellar.

 

If we don't address our defense and pick up a #1 WR this offseason, we will be behind the Jets in personnel, and it will be a long season for us. We have way more holes to fill than they do: FS, ILB, #1 WR, NT, OLB all must be addressed for us to catch up to them in personnel.

I sure hope they don't manage to hold on to Braylon and Sanchez turns into a sophomore slump next year.

 

The Jets can't help it that one team laid down for them all season. The Colts. The Jets played the other guys on the field and had no control over who Indy decided to bench. The Bengals did NOT do the same thing in week 17. They played Palmer and Ochocinco and the majority of the other starters until they were getting their asses beat down -- badly. Granted, the Bengals were never that good towards the end of the year, they were sliding. But the Jets still went into Cincy the next week and took care of business in a tough environment.

The Chargers were very beatable? You mean the same Chargers who had won 11 in a row going into the Playoffs?

Let's see if the Dolphins will be able to continue their success against the Jets for a second straight year. Then I'll give you all the props you deserve. Unless you have a worse record.

"You are what your record says."

I think you know who said that quote.

 

The Chargers are a joke in the playoffs. When was the last time they did anything besides disappoint and perform below expectations? With what they thought were their playoff lives on the line the mighty Jets could not even muster up enough points to beat the struggling Falcons missing half of their starters. Since you want to talk about a choke. Then they were awarded two extra exhibition games so it's no wonder they were playing fairly well in the tournament. The Jets wouldn't have even been in the conversation if they lost even part of what Miami did. We saw what happened to them when Greene left the game in the playoffs. Season over. That is the equivalent of Miami's offense losing Ronnie Brown. I have no doubt the Dolphins as well as the Pats will continue to find success against the Jets. They've been doing it for two years now.

 

Cry me a damn river. Find more durable players.

 

You can do the crying when it becomes four in a row this fall. Look on the bright side, they probably have a chance of sweeping the Bills. If everything falls into place, hell they might even get a .500 divisional record!!!

Any player is susceptible to injury, you could ask Rex Ryan that when he was done crying about losing Kris Jenkins and Leon Washington. Did they have an injury history before that? They were probably considered pretty 'durable' players.

 

They've only passed us in the race to the Duscheworld Convention.

 

same old jets. the one year when they finally decide to overachieve and make the championship round happens to be the only year in one hundred years where you get penalized for finishing in the final four. With the free agency penalties the Jesters will be forced to improve through the draft which coincidentally is depleted due to their win now mentality that had them trading away all their draft picks. 3rd place next year, maybe even 4th if Sanchez goes down for an extended period

 

Thats right and the Dolphins are 3-0 in the last 3 games against the Jets. Thats what the records say.

AND yes, the Chargers are a very very beatable team and especially in the playoffs.

 

Anyone who thinks the Jets are on top of anything. You can get a vigorous gangsta effing beating. They aint beat no one whos won anyting worth a effing thing. They got handed a less than ring. no they got nothing. blue balls. no divsion title. no mother effing bowl. no sicking it to manning fool. no title to remember fool. no nothing but a later pick. they can get a stain or two. no one will complain its true. rexy made em hate da jets. 31 teams wanna make them the beta test. yeaaaahhh. until they beat the ronnie crew, they aint done passin through. ya dig what i mean, yeah. these jets are quittazz. they aint gon get what the dolphins dont give em.

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We beat them both times last yr..they were handed a playoff spot. No. Final answer.

 

I actually like Henne a lot. I think he'll be the real deal. In regards to the secondaries Sanchez faced, they were hardly, poor, by any means. Cincinnati has arugably the best CB tandem in the game with Johnathan Joseph and Leon Hall. San Diego has a good pair of safeties, and a VERY good #1 CB in Jammer, and the disappointing, yet talented Cromartie at #2. The Colts secondary is young, but talented, and Sanchez did play pretty well against them. So against 3 good playoff teams with quality defenses/secondaries, Sanchez threw for 4 TD's and 2 picks, over a 90 QB rating. Not so bad.

Bengals probably wanted the Jets because the Texans beat Cincy in their house earlier in the season. Plus, the consensus going into the Playoffs was that the Jets were easily the weakest team in either conference.

The Pats have been arguably the WORST drafting team over the last 5 years, and Brady ain't getting any younger. Every year NE has a stockpile of picks, and they draft a bunch of crap that isn't on the roster in the next few years. Their defense is young, and not talented. I think the Evil Empire in New England is in grave danger. I won't say it's over yet, because they still own the division when Brady plays. But it's looking more and more like they are coming to an end.

I said the "get more durable players" comment completely in jest.

The Jets don't have a lot of draft picks, truth. But they have hit on a very high percentage of their picks in the last couple years (Revis, Harris, Ferguson, Mangold, Keller, Sanchez, Greene) with the exception of one uber-bust in Gholston. I trust Tannenbaum to make quality selections with his few picks.

And I think the compilation of talent right now on both rosters obviously favors the Jets, so unless the Phins have a stellar draft, and make some great trades, FA acquisitions, I don't see them passing the NYJ this year.

 

I think the two teams have similar talent levels. I think the Jets main advant age is their pass defense. I think the Dolphins have the better QB and the Jets have the better receivers. Both have good OL and running games. The Dolphins have big weaknesses at FS, ILB and OLB but all that can be fixed this offseason. Even with less talent the Dolphins have beaten the Jets 3 out of the last 4 and with a good draft this year the Dolphins can take and at the very least make a strong play for the AFCE title. I see the Jets and Phins duking it out over the next few years. The teams are much closer than most Jets fans want to believe.

 

A lot will depend on Sanchez. If he matures into a good quarterback, they will probably be legitimate Super Bowl contenders for the next few years.

Personally, I'm not quite sold on Sanchez yet. He showed some good poise and made some nice passes as a rookie. But he was also put in a position that very few rookie QB's have ever had the benefit of- a dominating run blocking offensive line, a #1 defense and a top-notch offensive coordinator that successfully limited him at the right times while calling timely play action passes that often had Jet receivers cleanly open. To reach that point, though, they had to dumb down the offensive system on at least 2 occasions. I think we'll know what kind of QB Sanchez can be when he has to either win a few games with his arm and/or has to lead them from behind a few times.

 

i'd say it is really a push right now ....

the PHINS have a better offense (when healthy, even without a top WR)

the JESTS have the better defense (without a doubt)

you win with defense, and of course, that's how the JESTS made their run at the end of the season (with a few gifts ...)

can we close the gap ... easily -- again, even if we were to ignore WR and just get the defense up to snuff. There are some available answers on defense in FA, and then we'll probably have 4 picks in the 1st 3 rounds (after we trade down) to fill the gaps ....

not a 'lot' to do ..... but critical positions that need upgrade, OLB, ILB, S, NT .... and with the exception of NT (hard to pick) .... we have the picks to do it. but, as i've said before ....the real test of this FO begins now -- getting the final pieces for a SB run. it's easy to gut a franchise -- its very hard to put a contender together.