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Disagree. You can't build a consistent winner with subpar talent, as compared to your competition. Yes of course, there are cases where teams...

It is the ONLY way. We've done half measures for like a quarter of a century, trying to avoid the actual full rebuild. We need to just embrace it.

That's actually pretty wild bro

He may be, I don't watch him, so just asking, to be clear.

Herbert's completion% is like 66%, isn't it? Mac Jones was second in completion% this season at 69%.

I think this is a super interesting move, really interested to see how McDaniel and Herbert do.

An issue with Tua, that doesn't go away, is that you cannot depend on him. Say he shows up in shape and sharp, how do you have any confidence...

Just because we are on the hook for him at insane money in no way means that he should see the field. Make him the emergency QB if you must lol...

Wait...people are actually arguing that we should be starting Tua next season? Like whether you liked Tua or not, it's pretty obvious that there...

I'll be shocked if anyone is willing to trade for him

Is this where the usual suspects start a bunch of arguments and derail a thread way off topic, to get it shut down... While blaming me, Sceeto,...

Tua can't overcome adversity when he's healthy, much less when injured. There is no real comparing the two. Weird that you disappeared for like...

You guys see the rumor that McDaniel will be the Ravens HC? Please please please please oh pleaaaaaaase let that happen. He will destroy that...

YES YES YES I THOUGHT WE WOULD NEVER SEE THE DAY

I don't now, and never did, hate Tua. I may have hated that he was our QB, but that is very different.

I just think Tua never really cared.

Thanks bro And you're right. And he even tricked me for a brief time, I think it was '23. I made a thread eating crow on Tua. Then the real...

Now who are the ones constantly complaining and being negative? Oh, it's the same ones as all along. Constantly trying to derail threads...

Exactly bro. He's a better pick than Beck or White or many of those guys we have drafted.

I know right? So so low, and people always wanted to act like Tua was this cerebral smart QB. Watching that Hard Knocks season told me...

You guys see the latest **** Tua said? According to Joe Schad on Twitter: [MEDIA]

Watched a couple other play breakdowns of him from his first two games, he does some really really nice things. He's very comfortable changing...

Yeah, some **** on him, I don't know why, the kid has crazy talent. Offered a D1 scholarship before even entering 7th grade. He seemed pretty...

Shhhhhhh...lol

He criticized Ewers for changing his back foot in his dropback. Ewers had always started with his left foot back, and now he's changed to try to...

Lmao You guys serious? I actually thought it was a cool story, and I also can't stand Gruden, but it was good to get to see some of the stuff...

You guys watched the Gruden's QB Class with Ewers? Pretty good. There's a ton about him to be excited about. Nice to learn his story.

You guys see McDaniel is quoted as saying that he is a part of the GM search?? WHAT THE ACTUAL **** That's like a promotion almost.

Great minds, bro

I'm always amazed that we watch teams constantly fire coaches after one or two bad seasons, but we just stay put.

Reminds me of Culpepper, too, actually.

Pam Oliver sounds like she's drunk or on something

Can't believe he chose to kick the field goal

Let's goooo

If that were to happen it would be, to me, an open admission that Tua is physically broken, either the hip, arm, or brain...or all three.

Bro you seriously gonna attack Key like that? You are off the rails here. Just cause you might not like his opinion doesn't mean he's engaging in...

I felt like the only time the passing game was effective was when teams would not take away the middle of the field. In addition, what was the...

I just think that most teams wouldn't even consider Tua as a backup due to his fragility and injury concerns.

What team do you think would be at all interested if Miami is moving on from him after that big contract.

I just can't see any team wanting to kick the tires on Tua. I think if he's not a Dolphin he's not in the league.

yeah I agree. I'd just as soon roll with Ewers next season, if he's bad we get a good pick in a QB rich draft. If he's good then there's nothing...

Yeah that is going to be interesting. I also like how cool and in control he seems.

Freaking defense wants SO BADLY to give this one away

Yeah he didn't think his arm was weak haha That's what I kinda meant, he didn't have the arm to do what he tried to do sometimes

It's warming my cold, dead Dolphin's heart...

I love the energy Ewers brings, natural leadership. I think he's better than a Fiedler, as his arm is so so so much better than Jay's. Hell,...

Defense steps up and makes a play

I agree. We might not be as bad off as we thought we were. McDaniel has redeemed himself in my eyes, with how the team never ever quit, and Ewers...

I'm starting to really dislike Waddle

Also I'm not trading ANYONE if I think Ewers can lead the team. If we don't HAVE TO draft a QB, then that means the team is in far better shape...

Big fan of Ewers so far

To clarify regarding Achane...if I were ownership, I would ONLY consider trades to actual contenders, and ONLY if Achane was OK with it. If he...

Umm, 90s basketball didn't have guys teaming up on super teams, that's this modern era of basketball. 90s teams and players were still loyal to...

That didn't answer the question. We aren't talking about a guy who is 21 and is your gonna build afros giving him a nice team in his second...

What about for Achane? Is it fair to squander your best years on a team that isn't able to truly compete at the high level? Like yeah, I'd...

Ricky and Achane for me...but I was a Brown fan also

I'd love to get his jersey, but every jersey I get, the guy gets injured or traded. Or both.

Yeah defense didn't show up at all. Decided they didn't need to cover anybody, make the rookie in his first start have to win a shootout.

Game got out of hand quick lol

LET'S GOOOO I know it's the ****ty Bengals, but that was a nice drive, I like what he's showing today

The defense just not interested in coverage today? I know we are missing Minkah but come on

He looks like he has effortless power

I forgot what it was like to see a QB with an arm throw passes. I like Ewers so far

Also, to address what you said about "team"... Nothing WE do on this forum has ANY effect on the team. However, those of us wanting Tua gone WERE...

Tell people to be mature while insulting them. Weird flex I think some people deserve an apology from some people.

ACHAAAAAAAANE!!!

Hahahaha Sometimes I don't hate AI

I think Miami might want to consider getting their money back

Yeah, there is zero way, imo, that Tua signed that contract thinking he was physically in great shape.

Caveat: We win because Ewers starts showing serious potential where QB isn't like an immediate must fill need anymore, then I'm ok with wins.

That's savage

There is zero chance that this affects McDaniel's job security in the least, it's actually what he SHOULD DO as the head coach.

He's so bad

Play against a halfway decent team and the offense is completely manhandled.

Tua is a complete liability out there

****ing underthrown ball picked off

Unreal

I really do like the energy of this team, let's see how this game goes

That was a great play call

I mean, isn't expecting Ross to get it right at this point, the definition of insanity? Lol

Stop trying to start stuff all the time. This is what you like to do: come in, make statements that are inflammatory, insult people who call you...

Yeah bro, but there is a massive difference between those teams, where they were legitimately good teams, and the team we've seen the past couple...

So your expectation is that the forum can only be Rah Rah posts and blind support for everything the team does? Like this is a thread, by a guy...

Please note we had a good convo going, and some people just had to piss in the pool.

You guys are unbelievable.

Su yeah, historically I would have agreed with you. It's just that with this team under these coaches, we've seen plenty of wins against bad...

Yeah I totally agree. As to the Bills, there are several reasons why I don't put too much stock into that game. Like you said, I think they took...

To be fair, it was only like a 10 point game in the 3rd and 4th. I was shocked we won, but I don't think it's wow what people are making it out...

Yes, consistently we lose to good teams. I need to see us consistently beat then or compete with them. This game you give us nothing more than...

The only chance we have is that the offense is a run first offense, with our line creating. I just need to see them perform against good teams,...

No. Try actually thinking about what I said, instead of having a knee jerk reaction to things I post. Agaist GOOD TEAMS, many more possessions...

I love the run game today.

Jets are putting on a clinic on the proper way to lose games when going after the #1 pick

Although having 7 punts against a terrible jets team kinda gives an indication that this offense will be stifled by a good team.

Tua is just so bad sometimes

I want to see how we function agaist an actual good team before I put any stock into this game, or the past couple wins. I would love it if this...

That pass to the flats was unacceptable That was absolutely heinous

I think Tua is a much bigger letdown, because he was also crowned by the media before ever taking a snap. Tannehill didn't get pumped the same...

I was happy that we were winning...then I realized we scored 19, on offense, against a 2 win team. So yeah, glad we won. But excited? No....

They're being no good draft option is part of why it's so hollow. We missed out on May and Jaxson, so every win feels like we are just gonna...

Listen, I always root for the Phins to win. However, in a season like this, it just isn't the same. The wins are hollow, because I don't believe...

Yeah I agree, Key. I've actually softened my stance quite a bit on McDaniel seeing that the team has not quit on him. He's terrible at clock...

It's really weird man. At least we finally beat a winning team.

Yeah I was actually JUST thinking about this. Maybe firing Grier FINALLY put people on notice that they actually had to produce or they very well...

Yeah I was just referencing the rumor Key mentioned, about trading Tua for a haul of draft picks. Lol. That pundit is smoking crack if he's...

This. Is. Wild. Maybe McDaniel and Weaver and the players hated Grier as much as the rest of us?? Where tf has this team been? Tbh, I'm...

Do you honestly see ANY team giving up multiple good picks for Tua? I don't. It's not because I hate Tua, but I don't see any team that would...

People want McDaniel gone for legitimate reasons. I'm not saying he's the main problem, but he's certainly been part of the problem.

Congrats DK! Happy Birthday brother

Happy bday bro!! When I turned 28 on the 28th (that was almost two decades ago lmfao), I celebrated it the whole year. Golden Birthday, dude

Happy Birthday, dude! Mine was the 28th

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!! CHRISTMAS COME EARLY

You think he's gonna have an easy time finding a job if the Dolphins cut him loose? Would seem incredible that anyone would want his services. I...

Exactly And now Tua takes a sack?? Hahaha Pathetic

LMFAOOOO W T F WAS THAT

The **** was that ****

I liked Tua forcing it in to Waddle who was in basically quadruple coveragea bit ago lol

I liked McDaniel raging over that penalty. Finally.

But he's not being compelled by anyone. I believe the argument is that Grier will, of his own volition, give evidence, to get back at Ross if...

No. The Falcons chose to let Tua have the middle of the field. End of story

Yeah players love the easy atmosphere, and the money and Miami lifestyle. But it's pretty clear from the outside that the organization is...

Yeah I don't generally get into questioning fandom. I agree, everyone is a fan their own way, I was just disagreeing with the sentiment of the...

No it's not the right opinion. A win that prevents us from making the decisions we should make to be an actual winning franchise, is actually a...

Listen, what I'm seeing is that Ross is keeping everyone regardless. He likes having only Grier talking to him, and he wants stability in the...

I mean, if this is the version of the Dolphins we get week in and week out, this version could potentially do something even this season

Tua is playing really well today. Great play

Tua and the offense are playing well. I'm honestly shocked.

Wow Tua so lucky that the falcons guy knocked it out of his teammates hand

Really really good blocking there for Tua to get that throw

Defense playing pretty well right now

The point Perkins makes about MM being about the same level winning as Philbin but with all this talent he's had was good.

This. All of this. Regardless of how bad McDaniel might be, Grier is absolutely atrocious. It's absolutely stunning how magnificently Grier...

Wow wtf. This isn't the time for clever jokes and making fun of yourselves. I can't stand McDaniel.

What did he say? I haven't seen it.

Yeah well, doesn't mean he isn't right.

Not kind words from Bruschi about McDaniel [MEDIA]

Just screenshots

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You're definitely smarter than this post. You know exactly why the two situations are different, and why one is considered to be throwing...

Bruh, you just don't understand what leadership is.

Yeah that's it. I don't understand leadership. A leader doesn't have to call his teammates out. His practice and dedication and play on the...

Tua has been consistently throwing teammates and coaches under the bus.

When people act like a highly paid captain, who is consistently ****ing up himself, can call out other players and hold them accountable, I...

Even when Tua has time to throw, he's not necessarily making good decisions. I'm not saying the line is good, it's not, but hasn't this season he...

Yeah for sure. That's why I wanted to be clear, I definitely agree that he's regressed significantly since then. It seems pretty clear that his...

Yeah, I agree with just about everything you wrote, good read. One quibble I have, it's that the 2023 season that got everyone so excited on Tua,...

I think he's out of the league within a year or two, or maybe immediately after the Dolphins part ways with him. No one will want him as a...

My man. Great post bro :knucks::ffic:

I won't judge Ewers on anything from today, he came into a situation where you can't win. Had some problems had at least one nice throw I saw. I...

Tua should have been a low second or third round pick at best after that hip injury

I don't agree. The question you need to be asking is, are the dolphins making Ross money? The answer is yes. As long as he's making money, I...

Chris Grier HAS GOT TO GO. I would love McDaniel gone, I just don't think he's a leader...but I do think his offense and calls are very limited...

Waddle was wide wide open, but Tua never saw him

There was a wide open receiver, and Tua threw into double coverage to a running back.

Bench Tua Start Ewers. See what he can do. Give him time in a season with zero pressure to perform.

LMFAOOOO

McDaniel is awful at preparing the team for situations, they always seem confused. Like 4th and 6 no timeouts clock running, and McDaniel is...

Wow what a snap

This is such a bad bad team

You guys want to have an honest conversation about this team yet? They are exactly who we thought they were.

Exactly bro

Dude it looks like his hip is toast

Hell, old *** Flacco has more strength and is a better QB than Tua.

Tua had like a 54 or 58 rating. Yet here you guys are, acting like Tua played great.

The way you guys look at things is so bizarre to me. We had three possessions end in interceptions. Clearly everything wasn't sunshine and roses...

I'm not fixated on one player. I've said this repeatedly. None of us are focused solely on Tua and acting like he is the one and only problem...

Bru he threw essentially a dump off for a pick. Are you kidding me? It's not like he tried to make a play and threw a pick. He had a 58...

Even if it was the play call, it was terribly executed. THAT'S the entire point. I've called for McDaniel/Grier/Tua to be moved on from....

He might be our best shot for what needs to happen

Tua has zero to do with the Dolphins being in that game. That credit goes to Achane. I don't think anyone is saying that it's Tua's fault that...

Yeah, it's bad.

Yeah it was just a terrible decision/play.

Tua looks broken. No velocity on passes, lame duck throws when he isn't getting hit, just isn't good. Let's be real, Achane had like 130 on the...

Being told one thing, then having the rug pulled isn't about the organization? Weird take.

What about if Tua himself says the culture is awful?? [MEDIA]

Absolutely embarrassing

Also, it's not passive aggressive. It's sarcastic. Color me surprised you don't know the difference. I made that comment because EVERY time...

Because he disagrees doesn't mean my take was wrong at all. There are plenty of people who also have the same take as me.

Welp, we get to see if Tua can step up today.

AAAAACHAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNEEEEE!!! It's almost like Run Ricky Run

That was a great catch, extremely difficult to turn like that and find the ball and even get a hand on it.

Didn't really take after his father hahaha Although he sort of did...he made the NFL

ACHAAAAAAAANE!!!

Starting a bit rough on offense Defense doing things, nice to see

Yeah you're right, nothing to see. Organization is completely blameless and well run.

He called the organization "poison"

Are you REALLY going to argue that the Dolphins have been a well run organization? I mean, I know you don't like me, and you want to argue...

I've said it many times, I post things that I see pop up in my feeds sometimes. Just because some players haven't seen that side of the...

Man, we've had some good ones. Fist Pump for Field Goals Sparano. Cam Whateverhisnamewas. On and on slew of absolute garbage in Miami at HC.

Never rooted for Saban since then. Haha

I love how anything against people's narrative is just "not true." How many players have to leave and level complaints?

Hey I'm a Bama fan and I never wanted to draft Tua :crapstrom::crapstrom:

Or Marino

He absolutely needs to go. I DO wonder if his offense isn't now being limited by Tua's deficiencies, but I don't even really care, because...

I wasn't writing a college paper. I know words can be important. Problem is, it's that you guys choose when you want to interpret words a...

You guys jump all over words. They dislike him as the Miami QB.

Every Dolphins fan I know in real life hates Tua. The only fans I know that defend him are on this site.

I mean, I like understanding where people are coming from. I don't agree that he was a bust. Not his fault we drafted him that high.

Nice that we can actually execute against bad teams.

Dion Jordan was a bust. Patrick White was a bust. Ted Ginn Jr was not a bust. He was a productive part of the team both at receiver and returns....

Dude I even said he was not worth the pick. That isn't and never was his fault. The fact is, he had an NFL career that was like double the...

Bro, Ginn had like a 10 year career. He wasn't worth #9, or whatever ridiculous spot he was picked, but he is still one of the better picks,...

Sad part is, Ginn and Tannehill turned out to have longer than average careers, they're a couple of the better picks (even if they weren't the...

I still haven't seen it...I don't think I want to.

If anyone doesn't believe that this team is cursed by now...

This is actually maybe the best point of this. Crowing about his completion percentage (which is meaningless due to throwing so many short easy...

Again, I can make the same claim to you That's what I'm saying. Your issue with me and others, is our same issue with you. But you don't see...

Not trying to instigate, this is a legitimate question, what is the actual difference between what he posts and what say, you post, other than...

Nah bro, he's cerebral. Playing a different game out there, no look passes and all that jazz hahaha

Right. at this point it's blatantly obvious that what was going on. It also explains the very abnormal offensive production they had.

Yeah I haven't watched basketball in years

Yeah...but if it was scripted, that's how they would do it. It's exactly the same in the NBA.

Unbelievable Rules were changed because the Dolphins were too dominant? Hahahahaha Bro you'd be better off arguing that the NFL is scripted...

Yeah I did too. That Ravens game and then the next stretch made me think I was wrong. Turns out I never should have questioned my assessment

What a wild end to that Eagles game

Yeah a guy like Hurts wouldn't make the Dolphins ANY better. This is literally the argument that is going on

Again, you can just say you don't understand football. It's ok.

Exaulted's lil post didn't age too well

Guess the game was in reach after all. What a surprise.

You can just tell us that you don't understand football.

I'll welcome them to NFL hell then:bighug:

Nice write-up, Key! Good to see you, hope all is well bro

Right, right. But they'd be stupid if they were to say, restructure him and give a new bigger deal.

Yeah bro, some of us have been talking about this for awhile. It's absolutely heinous what they've done to this franchise.

They aren't paying big bucks to a broken, undersized QB who 5 years in continues to make rookie mistakes. It's all about paying a QB way above...

Right. Tua stares at players and does other stupid things to try to get teams to bite on takes. But everyone knows what he does at this point,...

Yeah my entire post was made to Highly Exaulted, and referencing him mocking my position that the game was in reach with a better QB. That is...

I merely pointed out WHY it was out of reach. Trying to separate Tua from the game being out of reach is impossible. HIS PLAY made the game out...

I know he didn't call me a troll in that post bro

It's amazing how little football knowledge you actually have. Tua threw a pick on the first possession, leaving the Dolphins down 0-3. Tua...

Tbf, that Indy game was well within reach, with a QB without Tua's limitations. It ended very lopsided, but the QB play was bad. I think we...

Don't take the job because I don't think that you can do it in 3 years. Grier has screwed the next guy majorly. Unless I get a guaranteed top 3...

At the same time, why is it that we can't bring up the arguments that have been used for years to pretend Tua was elite. Like, if you have paid...

Everything is there for people to see, but they just don't want to, for whatever reason. Tua was just another really bad gamble by Grier.

Well yes, they would be better with any of those players, as those players can manage the bad surrounding cast better than Tua can. That alone...

I was replying to a specific post that was not after the game was over.

I even was saying McDaniel was calling a good game. I'm pissed that freaking Tua blew a great game from McDaniel

BUT HIS PASSER RATING WAS GOOD!!!!!

There's our Mr Clutch.

Know what pisses me off? McDaniel can call a good game. ****ing call every game like this McDaniel

Oh good, they gave the Bills something to play for. Idiots. This is what happens when you have a coach like McDaniel

Nice drive. Nice td

Surprising game so far. Biggest surprise? McDaniel didn't **** up the clock management on this drive.

Really nice drive

Pretty sure we got lucky they didn't challenge the Hill first down

That's ****ing insanely ridiculous that our star QB is saying such things. Doesn't matter that they're true. Pretty much a cuck mindset on...

An elite QB is elite, irrespective of the team around him. Yes, production will certainly vary, but he will be making elite decisions and throws,...

Right Pump. This inability to see an average QB who is bolstered by scheme and other players, versus a QB who can manufacture when things go off...

Yeah, except going ALL THE WAY BACK to basically high school, Tua has always been on essentially all star teams. If he hasn't played on...

Bro, just say it, Tua is COMPLETELY dependent on surroundings. In a perfect situation with great weapons, he looks good. We agree, McDaniel made...

I disagree. Passer rating isn't necessarily dependent on the QB. Having one of the fastest offenses in the league, running a new offense, that...

Bro, even then, the better QBs would would have done better than Tua. He still wasn't driving the offense. He was just a piece.

This is a problem: Mike McDaniel - "I won't spend a moment worrying about my job security." Well you ****ING SHOULD BE.

Yeah I get it, the metrics that you believe are the best predictor of winning were good...but the numbers were fool's gold. Those numbers weren't...

Bro he wasn't elite. They had an elite offense. For a half second. It's been figured out, and his hip looks shot. He wasn't elite at Alabama,...

He's still a fraud bro. He doesn't have the tools necessary to excel when everything isn't perfect. That is and always has been my concern and...

LMFAOOOOOOO WHAT A WAY TO END. Tua is a fraud. Fire McDaniel and Grier now. Roll with Ewers, trade anyone who you can get something for.

Damnit

ACHANE!!!!!! At least that dude always balls

Every kicker makes 50+ yarders against us, even when they've been missing everything

Why would you ever think that was the right choice, to keep doing what isn't working

But but but His COMPLETION PERCENTAGE IS 81%!!!!

Noooo, Tua NEVER panics LMFAOOOOOOO

This is ridiculous. This is the result of having a coach like McDaniel. That halftime interview he gave was the worst assault on my ears in a...

Wtf LMFAOOOOOOO NFL is probably scripted lol

That was ****ing awesome!!!

Hard to get excited, when you realize that basically you're watching two bad teams struggle and play bad football against each other. Lol

Once again giving opposing QBs personal bests. This defense is so atrocious.

What an abortion of a drive this is turning into

Good drive finally

Yup. That's why he basically took the year off before his big contract, he wanted to guarantee he would stay healthy and get paid. While knowing...

This is another pathetic performance by the Dolphins. Two words in a row, one possession, basically, in the first, and Tua hit bailed out on the...

Yes sir

Click the link bro it works fine

People just refuse to admit what is plainly obvious.

Super strange, that our elite QB, if you make him go off his first read, he’s toast.

Yeah I'd agree with this. My only caveat, I was a big Bama fan, i watched their games all the time, and I wasn't a draft Tua guy even before the...

I thought we traded down then moved back up

Tua over Herbert. Easy. Especially cause he used picks to move up, and there was definitely no need to move up. If you were gonna take Tua, you...

Here's what X said: Soooooo basically what some of us have been saying for years. Tua decides presnap where to go. Disguise and trick him,...

It's just so comical at this point. ****ty injury prone oline for decades, and that ain't changing.

Well, like I pointed out in the game thread. At one point, Tua was like a 70+% completion, but one incomplete was an interception, and we were...

Completion% is such a worthless stat

How'd Tua look yesterday, guys? Closer to 28 then to 1.

Which quarter was that? Wasn't the first quarter, when they had the ball under 3 minutes and the one possession was an int. First 4 possessions...

A loss is not at all the same as what the Dolphins did today. I know what you're saying, but this was way worse than just losing a game that you...

Good on Achane there

This is so comical. It's basically exactly what I expected. I can't believe anyone thought this team was good.

62 yards of offense. 4 first downs. No that wasn't our last drive. That is the entire offense for the game. Nooooooo no one seems to have...

Yep. I've said for awhile that this team has killed the enjoyment of football. They're just always bad. Tua with another pick. Just ****ing...

They just pointed out that Tua can't decide presnap where to throw because the defense is confusing Tua post snap. Weird cause I've been told Tua...

Oh guys, I just realized, it's not that bad. The offense is ACTUALLY GOOD. Tua has a 70% completion percentage. We're good

Bro I would be ecstatic if they were to clean house (as they should) directly following this game.

LMFAOOOOOOO

IT'S JUST THE PRESEASON!! Here we are, regular season Game 1, and the Dolphins look EVERY BIT as bad as they did during the preseason, the...

That's their stated reasoning for ranking him that low.

Pretty dumb post. It's the same story every year man

From a guy on Twitter: "OTAs: “Don’t panic, it’s just OTAs.” Training Camp: “Don’t panic, it’s just training camp.” Joint Practice: “Don’t...

Also "regular season play is a good predictor of regular season play" is possibly the dumbest most meaningless thing I've ever read from you. In...

Bro Stop it. We've had this conversation EVERY FREAKING PRESEASON. Everyone says, "Oh it's just preseason blah blah blah." Great. It's still...

You think the offense didn't look better under Wilson last night? I'm not saying Wilson is good, btw. It's just not a good look that the offense...

Hot take: Wilson should start. I know everyone is surprised I'd say that. Offense looked way better with Wilson than with Tua.

Once money became the objective, not the sport itself, the entire thing was doomed.

Agree completely

This has been the narrative for like 20 years. "It's just preseason."

I'm not a fan of this at all

Tua was a worse pick than Ted Ginn. That's my June hot take

Bro, he shouldn't be laughing on the sidelines when they're getting smoked and he's playing like trash. When your premier guy isn't seeming to...

Yeah but your QB is supposed to be the dude setting the tone.

Yeah, actually, that's one part of his personality that I do think needs to change. When you're getting dominated, you shouldn't be joking and...

It's crazy you want to argue this.

They don't honor them in the respect that they do dump players under contract all the time.

Exactly. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES can you give him more money. Then why shouldn't every player on your team do that? They should, if they see you...

I do think that owners should honor contracts. If there was a story about that in regarding the Dolphins, I'll comment in that also.

I don't give a **** what teams are gonna do, and I addressed that, it's not like Jonnu is locked into an unfair, 5 year contract. He has one year...

Also important is that our second round pick is holding out for a guaranteed contract or something.

So sick of these guys signing a contract, then turning around after a year and wanting more. I know I know, the owners are trash too. But...

Yeah this is insanity.

The team will have the mentality of the coach. He needs to be better.

Well, at least it seems like they're taking backup seriously now.

Was this the interview where Grier was talking about team leaders and he never ever mentioned Tua?

Doesn’t seem desperate at all hahaha

I never watch them. Usually I don’t even click the thread haha

Right, too often people are saying something that is correct in general, but when pressed on who they specifically should target, they can't...

Absolutely

If Grier isn't there, then there can't really be questions about things that Grier is/was in charge of, right? So like, you know, the things that...

So ridiculous. He's skipping the media sessions, leaving McDaniel out there to talk to the media. Are you disputing that? Do you not think that...

Right. It was confusing. It ends up saying he's skipping the combine. Exactly why I asked the question in the initial post. It's unfortunate...

What does "Grier is skipping the combine??" mean? Like, in English, words and punctuation marks create meaning.

What mistake? I saw an article that said he was skipping. I made a post, questioning him skipping. He's absolutely a pos for skipping media...

I guess people don't understand what question marks are. It indicates a question, not a statement. He's still a PoS for hanging McDaniel out to...

See, I knew you would try to do this. I was simply trying to point out a positive. If he works on increasing speed, that is a good thing. There...

I mean, if it gets him training hard it could be a good thing.

Tua put up his best numbers beating up bad teams. Then generally disappears in big games. If it was all as rosy as you guys make it out to be,...

No, no one said they hoped that we lose so that we "get rid of Tua and Grier.". It was just Tua. And, it's because they don't believe the we can...

But so, I don't really get it. If the Dolphins lose, and Tua plays poorly and we point it out, everyone complains at us, and calls us trolls...

Even if you're the biggest believer in Tua, I don't see how you couldn't be concerned, given all the accumulating injuries, and he's 5 years in....

Yes you're right. Well then take the injury argument off the table lol. No I'm talking about Tua. I never argued for Burrow. I've only argued...

When have I ever advocated for a specific QB over Tua? I haven't. I'm not trying to prove who is better or worse.

You could have just not said anything instead of trying to rile things up.

I was always concerned about two things: 1. INJURIES 2. Could he play at high/elite levels without being surrounded by superstars

Dude, it isn't moving goalposts when injuries have been the concern SINCE HE WAS DRAFTED. Concerns can arise at anytime. Doesn't make it moving...

Yeah I think what really happened will never be "officially" true.. but everyone knows what happened. Freaking dude is a PoS.

Also I didn't specify any particular pundits, just that I believe the consensus would overall be, Miami won in a big way. But maybe I'm wrong,...

I don't think that's an accurate assessment of positions. Availability is your best trait, and unfortunately, Tua has significant problems there....

I've said all along that this line of conversation is my own opinion.

No, I'm not really invested in arguing my point of view with you. It's fine if you want to dismiss pundits, I don't care. I'm just saying, I...

I'm just saying what people would say. Sometimes they are correct

Agreed

And Tua is viewed as a massive liability due to injury concerns, and I hold that if a straight up trade occurred tomorrow, the national pundits...

Interesting comments from Ray "the Murderer" Lewis about Miami, and their problems: [MEDIA]

Wasn't speaking about message boards, but national pundits and sports shows.

If tomorrow the Chargers traded Herbert to Miami straight up for Tua, no one would be saying that Los Angeles (still feels weird to write that)...

Given the thread title, saw this on my Google feed: .https://www.si.com/nfl/dolphins/news/where-tua-landed-in-qb-rankings-01jjszk2fh5j

In the context of, winning like 10 games and making the playoffs and getting trounced. In the context of, the argument that Grier shouldn't be...

Not for me it wasn't. I said I wanted competitive in the playoffs. 100% a troll post

I hate paywalls

The more things change...

So...is the argument the Lamar disappeared in a big game? I mean, his TE dropped the 2 point conversion that would have tied the game. Plenty...

While I agree, that is kinda immaterial to the argument they were having. Haha

Yeah they can cycle all off season, and come off the roids just long enough to pass their drug test before the season.

Aaaaand the dude still has a job:death::death:

Sure. I didn't know that AT THE TIME. When I was watching the game I didn't know anything about him, and when I made the original post, I didn't...

My entire comment was talking about Echols getting to him. I was surprised he got close enough to trip him up on the dive. Achane is fast, I...

What about Mayfield?

Imagine if all of a sudden he turned into a good QB? I think I'd give up watching football. Hahahaha

Dude it was just an article that in my Google feed and I shared it.

Yeah I suppose it's unimportant what commentators and former players are saying.

Cam Newton says Tua's arm strength is part of the problem....

What I'm more contending is that catastrophic injuries, like the hip dislocation, weaken that body part immensely, which can lead to being more...

Is it the same hip he had the college injury on? I mean, if the thing you suggested is super rare, one would have to wonder if all that trauma to...

For sure. Was just an anecdote so you understand what forms my opinions. I still think it's extremely of that we don't know what the injury is,...

My sister had to have hip replacement at like 35 years old. She has some degenerative hip thing, where the hip degenerates to bone on bone....

So I just found this article from 6 days ago and it says this: So is it the same hip that he injured in college? I read that somewhere. Now...

That isn't my wish. I don't wish for the Dolphins to be trash. But am I supposed to lie to myself about what Tua is?

Didn't say related to the injury. Just that it is the same hip.

Some serious cope there, brother

But they've said it's related to the previous injured hip, haven't they?

That's what I'm saying though, Dan. Like how can you try to separate the injury from the inability to move around, when it's the injury causing...

Yeah it seems that someone somewhere is being dishonest. Clearly Tua's hip injury was more than they're letting on, as he missed two must win...

You guys don't find it odd that we haven't been told what the injury actually is?

I'm not saying he is or isn't lying. All I'm saying is, when Grier says there's nothing to worry about, his track record tells me to worry. Lol...

They have not specified an injury, correct? Initially it was nothing, then it was something that required missing the last two games. Now it's...