Put me on the "Shelve Pat White" list....

And I think reality has proven this concern unfounded. I linked the games where White has been used and the drive results.

If anything, the drives on which White is brought in and used(even when he doesn't do anything of note) have a higher success rate in terms of scoring than our average drive.

The potential that something bad might happen is not enough to warrant shelving the "experiment". White's typical "failure" on a play is no gain or a yard gain. If there is a game situation where we are unable to absorb White's to this point typical short rushing game on first or second down, then we've got issues that have nothing to do with White or his use.

 

Ah, so just about every fan of ever team then?

 

Holy straw-man Batman, where has anyone suggested it?

I don't bother me one bit. There are a whole lot of people who are wrong up in this business, and I can't do much other than keep on being right.

 

And I haven't seen anyone say White is a Bust. Most of us a simply saying that forcing him into a game so he can hand the ball off or throw an incompletion is a waste of a snap.

 

Now I am not saying we NEED Pat White, but the teams you just mentioned all have either Future Hall of Fame QB's and or SB winning/league leading QB's.

Not that Henne can't be that someday, he certainly isn't there yet.

 

maybe you think it is fine to make burning downs part of the offensive game plan

i don't

 

thats of course assuming any and all plays besides those with pat white would result in a gain of yards correct?

 

and Modest too

 

This is were it gets dicey and makes this thread and this discussion fun. It's hard to argue that he;s killed many drives. Even what appeared to be a drive killing toss in today's game, someone could make an argument that we would have failed even if he had gained yards. It all comes down to conjecture and opinion.

What I can say and this is the basis of my argument is that I haven't seen him do enough out of his package to warrant keeping him on the field. as a Qb he has yet to throw his first completion and has a QB rating of 39.9. So if its just as a running threat then my argument is quite valid. We have better runners sitting on the bench that we can option off of is that's the plan. Hell Thigpen is a hell of a runner and can throw the ball just as well as White can and has NFL experience.

 

Is this seriously going to be the tactic you guys are going to go with? Pretend like I didn't link the actual reality of the results White was in? The facts of the matter- Not opinion, not guesswork, not conjecture, is that White, even in failure is not a significant negative effect on the outcome of drives.

The reality is, the yardage Pat White is gaining on failures is not particularly significant to the outcome of drives, given that league-wide a little less than half of all pass attempts gain 0 yards, and your average running game outside of the elite teams are going to have quite a few short gains like White is having with an average being brought up by bigger ones.

 

Execution matters not the players on a given play!!!!

 

i'd rather see Henne throwing the ball or Ricky running it than white running scared for his life
im sure most would agree

 

And we'll get better than them by replacing our starting QB, who I hope will be a top QB in the league in the future, with a worse QB?

I think that we all hope Henne becomes one of those QB's some day which would make White superfluous and a waste of a 2nd round pick. I just don't see what White provides that made him worth that pick.

 

Huh? IIRC, the main problem people had with Wanny was that he ran Ricky---and every other RB he had---into the ground to compensate for our lack of talent at QB.

As opposed to all those players that Saban drafted that never amounted to anything? Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

No, it was the contention that he wasn't worth a ninth overall pick. And he still wasn't, given his sparse contributions in his tenure here.
Basically, you're pulling stuff out of...well, I'll be kind and say "thin air" in a feeble attempt to support an unsupportable position.

 

The problem is, only one of us is backing and opinion up with something.

And what I'm saying is that in virtually every situation, a young player is going to require in-game sacrifice to bring up to speed.

Your young quarterback is going to have some awful games. Your rookie runningback is often going to look slow and indecisive(Ronnie Brown's first two rookie games come to mind), your rookie receiver often not going to run good or correct routes and be overall a guy eligible to catch passes who is unlikely to do so. Outside of a very small percentage of guys, even successful players are going to have that.

If you shelve Pat White, all you are doing is postponing this, especially in terms of rushing the ball.

 

riiiiight.

 

See you and I are close but we still don't see eye to eye. I agree that you need to give players time to develop. Especially a young QB. I still have high hopes for white. But truth is right now he loks like a deer in the head lights when hes on the field. He needs time to develop but that development doesn't need to take place on the field with games on the line. I would love to see us get a nice lead before the season is out and put him in at QB.

 

A man lives by believing something; not by debating and arguing about pointless things.

 

I got to agree with you I didn't see one valid argument to what you said.

 

Great leaders are almost always great simplifiers, who can cut through argument, debate, and doubt to offer a solution...

...sit back and watch the execution of the 11 on the field.

 

Just because a solution is simple doesn't mean it's the right one.

 

Had to laugh at this one. No offense man but in all your posts you really didn't make one single point other than "if the FO thinks its right then it's right". I hope the rest of your day goes a bit better =)

 

I am very disappointed that we cannot be civil and respectful to one another. No need to keep this thread open anymore. You make or break this site.