We don't hate Ginn, we just think he isn't a very good WR. I've said many times that I'm okay with him as a #2 or #3 WR and just being a KR. As a #1, he just sucks. Sorry bro, but that's just how I feel about him.
I agree with you that he isn't a NUMBER 1. Although thats really not the point you make in your posts.
the thing only the people who were at the games can tell us is were the Bills rolling their coverages towards Ginn. If they were, then we cant expect much out of him. Its up to Camarillo, Hartline and Bess to take advantage if that is the case
And Sparano addressed that in his presser. (on switching WR Ted Ginn, Jr. and WR Brian Hartline) - "That was just a rotation, to be honest with you. We were going to rotate those guys around a little bit. Teddy's numbers in the last couple of weeks have been really high. We thought maybe keeping Teddy a little bit pressured, getting those guys in and out of there, trying to even the numbers up a little bit, might create a little more energy at go-to time or any of those things. I will have to look at the film to see how that panned out. There were a couple of situations in man-to-man that we did not win out there. I've got to take a look at that, we've got to be able to do those things." If your QB is looking a little shaky in the beginning of the game (his first career start) and plays it safe for the remainder, should we really expect any of our receivers to have great numbers? Some folks here love to jump on this kid over every little thing, it reminds me alot of the "Ronnie is a bust, he sucks!! He only ran the ball 8 times today!!!" type comments of years past when people would overlook the bad play calling and the fact that we abandoned the run when we were behind. The kid (Ginn) is the only WR on our team that gets doubled, he was misused in his rookie year, he has had to learn to become an all-around better WR in this offense, he had Pennington looking away from him to dink the ball, and now he's got a young QB who is trying to play it safe in his first start and people are finding ways to toss him under the fan bus so they can run over him and back up to do it again. He gets a damned good run today, he correctly cuts inside to avoid the CB on the left, instead of being happy folks are slamming him for not running to the outside. The kid can't win, he's getting the Ronnie treatment. Let our QB get settled and comfortable and build some chemistry with his teammates before you guys judge them. One could easily say "OMG, Henne only had 115 yards and he was sacked 6 times! BUST!!! SUX!!!", but would that be the right thing to say? Of course not. One could say "Who cares if Vontae scored a TD on his first INT? He was burned a few times after that. We need a real CB!!!", but again, would that be the proper thing to say? A WR is only as good as his QB, a QB is only as good as the protection that he gets from his OL, if folks want to discount all of that, I don't know what to tell them. Our offense basically started over today, I for one am happy with what I saw out there and I'm excited to see how they do in the coming weeks once they have time to gel with Henne.
Just watched a ball hit Bess in the hands and go through them. Was thinking of starting a thread ... (yeah I know UDFA but yall talk like he's better than Ginn)
Sparano is not the kind of coach to throw a player under the bus....that being said Todays stats. Rec. yards per tds lng Greg Camarillo 4 42 10.5 0 18 Davone Bess 3 17 5.7 0 6 Brian Hartline 2 17 8.5 1 12 Patrick Cobbs 1 10 10.0 0 10 Anthony Fasano 1 7 7.0 0 7 Ted Ginn Jr. 1 4 4.0 0 4 Lousaka Polite 1 7 7.0 0 7 Ricky Williams 1 11 11.0 0 11 Compared to other #1s Rec. yards per tds lng Terrell Owens 3 60 20.0 0 39 vs. Miami Calvin Johnson 8 133 16.6 0 45 vs. Chicago Chad Ochocinco 3 24 8.0 2 17 vs. Clev. Randy Moss 3 50 16.7 1 20 vs. Balt. Marques Colston 2 33 16.5 0 17 vs. NYJ Brandon Marshall 4 91 22.8 1 51 vs. Dal. Now the reason I posted this comparison is all these guys have been deemed the game breaking/changing wideouts on there respective teams. Some of them went against much, MUCH tougher defenses then we did, but yet still found a way to be more productive. Numbers dont lie.
Sometimes it's not the numbers that you look at, but making a play when your team calls your number. For example, Brandon Marshall's last catch, he manned up and outmaned a very good DB in T. Newman and just made a play for his team.
Did any of those receivers have a QB making their first start throwing them the ball? Posted via Mobile Device Yes, Stafford is a rookie, but I don't think anyone thinks that Ginn is the same as Calvin Johnson...
Why do we compare Ginn to other teams' #1's? I mean seriously, Ginn isn't thrown to the same number of times as these players so comparing his numbers to them isn't fair. He was thrown to 3 times, only one of which was catchable, and he caught the one that was catchable. He also had a nice end around which would give him more total yards than and receiver on the team other than Camarillo.
He isnt thrown to as many times as they are because he's shown he isnt as dependable as they are. And as for the first time QB start, he's a second year player, I'm sure he's thrown the ball to Ginn before... The sooner we stop making excuses for Ginn and accept he's not the answer the better.
Yeah, exactly. I would still say he is one answer, however, the fact they drafted 2 WR's this year would make me think this is indeed a make or break year for somebody on the WR corps....not saying that's Ginn, just sayin
you do know we are talking about ted ginn the football player and not ted ginn the synchronized swimmer right?
I'll be the first one to admit I've been disappointed in Ginn 4 games into the season. Even against the Colts, statistically his best game of the season, he had 2 end zone drops that really cost us the game. I was a bit hard on him (and Pennington, it's not just one person's fault) after that; and since he hasn't done much since then to really change my perception of him as an average WR. That said, it's really ludicrous that some of us basically expected Ted Ginn to morph into Randy Moss with the insertion of Chad Henne into the lineup. Believe it or not, getting timing down on deep routes takes more than a few throwaway reps in practice. To think that Ted Ginn (who is a starter) has been working with Chad Henne (who, up to last week, was only getting something like 20% of the practice reps) enough to develop chemistry is ridiculous. What do folks like Chad OchoCinco and Carson Palmer, or Reggie Wayne and Peyton Manning have in common? Timing. And they practice this timing, daily ... even during the offseason. Saying that he's already had time to practice with Henne just isn't fair ... these other receivers have worked for months, some years, with their QB. And we're not even willing to give Ginn a couple of weeks? Look, you can call for Ginn's demotion all you want. But I'm going to give him a little bit of time working with Henne before I call for his head. Be careful what you wish for though - I envision a minimum of 8, maybe even 9 in in the box style defense against us should we take Ginn out of the lineup, because between Bess, Camarillo, Fasano, and even Hartline, we will have zero speed at the WR position. This means that teams can crowd the box to shut down our #1 rated rushing attack, because the receivers we put in the game couldn't win a footrace against anyone in the league. That said, should Ginn continue to struggle and hasn't shown anything more than a few catches - say by Week 6 maybe, most certainly by Week 8 - then yes, I think the concern will be well founded. As for now, however, I find it to be premature, especially given the unique parameters of the situation.
Is Ted Ginn ever going to be Randy Moss, or Andre Johnson, or Calvin Johnson, or TO? No...he doesn't have the same tools, i.e., height and weight. Does that mean that he will not, or can't, be a game changer? No, it doesn't. I don't think that Ginn is going to be "elite". But, I certainly think that he could be top 10 or 15 in the league. Posted via Mobile Device
Sure it does, it means the Coaching staff and FO doesn't feel comfortable with the WR's already there. How about the benching? Does that mean anything?
you don't find it hard to believe that your starting wr can go from that to being benched in one game?
Sure, it happens all the time I think the FO and Coaches are really trying to light the fire under Ginn. I have no idea exactly what the issues are, but obviously they are there and they are real. I do hope they push the right buttons, I just honestly don't think its gonna happen.
i dont know sparanos usually straight forward, hard to second guess him. I do think for them to take the time to do so says more about what they see there though.
Stupid argument. Considering Miami didn't need the passing game so why force things deep? Besides Ginn made a big impact on Special teams. at the Box score breakdown.
No its not a stupid argument. Whats stupid is paying a mediocre wr, who is a good ST player millions of dollars. And as for him making an impact he was a decoy. Wow....thanks for that. The most productive thing he did was a 22 yard rush. Dude...its still an NFL team with NFL players...and they knew Chad was getting the ball.
so given that cj only had 20 more yards and two more receptions, you might want to consider eliminating him from your list.
Oh it is a very stupid argument. I didn't realize we needed to throw when the game was over. Ginn is getting paid number 1 money which he shouldn't be getting paid that much but he is still the only legitimate deep threat on the team and he will be needed against better opponents. Even after a blow out win people will find ways to bash Ginn. I could understand if we lost and he had those numbers but we won and didn't need the passing game.
This team is obviously in dire need of a play maker at WR and TE.......I think that in itself settles any arguments concerning Ginn or Fasano.
Dude...we'd be 2-2 right now instead of 1-3 if Ginn would have caught that pass in the endzone. What good is the threat if it drops passes? Whats stupid as you say is blindly supporting a player who hasn't done jack sh%t for our team yet. We won the game without him, we wont win every game with just a run game.
Oh yes because our defense was stellar on Monday night Save it bro the defense sucked hard against the colts and its a joke to even blame any loss on player. Your right he hasn't done jack **** but at least I don't throw him under the buss every week like some people. I have some confidence in him that he will amount to something but apparently you don't so you use flawed logic to support your claim and its quite sad.
Nothing flawed in my logic. If you took off your buckeye colored glasses long enough you would see it. I dont even know what a buss is...is that a longer bus? And you keep having faith in him thats great, do your thing. But dont hate on me for my opinions man. I want a good team with a solid playmaker, which Ginn is NOT. So call me stupid and mock my views alll you want but at the end of the day the real problem is not getting enough production from our pass game, and the blame game can go in all kinds of different directions.
he got 100+ yards recieving in the game you mentioned. not sure how taht is jacks hit seeing as how the next closest to him was around 30 yards.
100 yards or the first down at the end of the game we needed or the TD catch? Which would you rather have? Quality, not quantity.
You're missing my point. Yay he got the yards but when we needed him the most he was unproductive...and thats a problem.
you said: in other words you tried to trivialize what the 100 yards meant. Not to mention he had some catches when we needed him the most.
He actually caught about 3 or 4 1st downs on that final march, since you brought it up A better throw by Penny we may win. See, how that works? Team game. More than one person in involved. WRs not named Ginn were horrible.
