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you do know the maximum a heavy weight can be in ufc is 265 right?

 

Even Fedor would have to bulk up about 30 lbs to "be at his size", that is probably still the most intriguing match up you could throw at Brock.

 

oh and FTR alves was probably close to 20 pounds heavier than GSP when they fought tonight.......i didnt see utter domination by the heavy guy........cause i guess being heavy makes you a automatic champion.....thats why butterbean is a ufc champ right? lol

 

Lesnar mauled Mir. period. Mir won the standup? OK, but the fight consists of more than standup, and most of it was on the ground, where Brock destroyed him. Brock controlled the fight, stifled his jiu jitsu, and pummeled Mir into submission.

the boos at the end of the fight? they were for the weak performance that Mir put on after talking that much ****, and a one sided main event after a great card.

GSP proved he is now in consideration pound for pound, as the best in the sport. it is time for he and Andersen Silva to mix it up, catch weight.

and Dan Henderson looked as ripped as i have seen in the Octagon. he exposed Micheal Bisping for what he is; a decent fighter with a big mouth who still has some upside, but was coddled in order to help build the market share in England.

 

Sure, but what does it say when one guy has to cut 30lbs to get there and the other has to add 10-20 to even be close to 265?

So are we comparing GSP to Frank Mir? Didn't think so.


It annoys me that Brock Lesnar is looked at like the next dominant force in MMA simply because of his size. And that's coming from a very jacked individual, btw.

He eliminates his competition (which consists of Mir, a 45yo guy who was about 50lbs less, and a washed up guy who once had a name for about 5 mins, Herring). Yet, people flock to the guy like flies on **** bc he's got an entertaining look about him.

I guess we should all be WWF fans.

 

lol Mir did win the stand up which lasted for longer than you made it sound. The big man lays on top of the smaller man and you can guess what happened.

GSP did not sound inthuzed at all by the idea of fighting Silva IMO.

At least Bisping got destroyed.

 

I think my biggest problem with Lesnar is that he represents "profesional wrestling" to a T. His whole act, persona, speaches before the fight, his actress wife, etc.

His fans piss me off more than anything bc the majority of them are MMA converts by way of their favorite WWE guy having success.

 

i didnt make it sound like anything. and 249 versus 265 aint that big a difference in size. and Mir was as ripped as ive seen him tonite.

first fight, Brock won 85% of the fight, but Mir got the submission. fair enough, but this time Brock was more patient and adapted.

Mir has reached his full potential. we are not sure yet if Brock has.

 

Fair enough.

I wouldn't say Lesnar mauled Mir though. I'd say he took him down and layed on him until he got Mir in spots that he couldn't/didn't defend himself against hs punches.

I hate seeing fighters win like that.

 

i seriously thought Bisping was permanently injured. that was a sick KO

 

Wrong. Anderson Silva is the best fighter.

 

Rivaled Rashad Evans IMO.

I figured Henderson would of broken his nose or cheek bone since he really wound up as far as possible for that 2nd punch.

 

Bottom line, Lesnar destroyed Mir. Make all the excuses you want, Lesnar did his job. Mir talked the smack, but he didn't deliver. It was all Lesnar baby.

I would like to add that I am 4-0 when calling UFC fights. I picked Machide over Evans( a while ago I know), Lesnar over Mir, Dan over Bisping, and GSP over Alvez.

 

wow brock's post fight interview was awesome. i feel like i'm watching wwe, except brock actually kicked mir's ***.

 

Slick cry some more about Lesnar. Like another member pointed out in the UFC100 thread is that this is what UFC needs a VILLIAN. Brock sells seats and will be a force in UFC for awhile so get use to it.


Don't knock because he was in WWE I could careless if he was or not the fact is he is a BEAST and is fun to watch.

 

Thats funny I got all the Big cards right tonight and picked the opener right also. Not like any upsets happened tonight.

 

lol Cheer more like a WWF fanboy if you like.

He's not entertaing at all to watch IMO. But then again, I don't enjoy roided out dude's in speedos talking smack to each other either, so go figure.


Watching guys like Silva, GSP, Rampage, Machida, and any other MMA fighter who can end a fight from any spot at any time will always be more entertaining than some corny out of ring antics or a "cool villain" persona.



But ya, if you like big dudes who can take their opponents down, pound on them for a few mins, then give cool speeches before and after, then Lesnar's your man.

 

hahaha keep the hate Train rolling. I hope he has a loooooong UFC career so you watch him beat down people.

 

Lesnar is a beast. His style may be boring, but it gets the job done. You can't take anything away from him, literally.

And to answer a question someone asked, Silva's next fight is August 7th. UFC 101. He fights Forrest Griffin, which should be a HUGE fight.

 

Some leg kicks on that bigass frame will most likely shorten that career at some point.

I'll just be sure to avoid his PPVs if their going to be as boring as this every time. I'm not very entertained with the WWF interviews.

 

That was a retorical quiestion bro, but it should be a fun fight.

Personally, I think Silva TKO's Forrest pretty fast. I like Forrest, but he def doesn't have the chin to hang with Silva.

 

Oh, sorry, lol.

Yea, Silva is my favorite fighter. I love his style. I thought Silva needed some competition as he was playing around with the other lesser fighters, and Griffin is exactly that. He has heart and should be a great match up for Silva.

It would be simply amazinf to see Silva TKO Griffin in the first round.

 

You're misreading my post. See below for further explanation.

How many weight classes are they supposed to have?

Do we add a 220, a 245 and a 275? Heavyweight is already lacking. Imagine how watered down those divisions would be. It would also affect the 205 class.

Again, I go back to Tim Sylvia. Obviously he's been figured out and exposed by now. But beyond him, how many guys is there for Brock to fight in his "super heavyweight" class? Bobby Lashley? How long until he's ready? Right now Brock would kill him. Even Fedor, the guy everyone wants to see, fights in the 230's.

And I'd think you'd start seeing guys who normally fight below 265 start cutting weight, just like the other weight classes, making Brock's competition pool even thinner. It's not as simple as 'find someone with equal size', because there simply aren't that many guys out there with those dimensions who actually belong in the UFC.

It's not 'unlimited'. It's 265. And Brock makes weight. The heavyweight division is always going to be imperfect because you have to stop somewhere. There's always going to be significant differences in weight. You mention high school wrestling. When I was in school, you had 189, 220 (later 215) and heavyweight. That further populates middleweight and light heavyweight (while introducing the weight disparity issue you dislike to light heavyweight), but does nothing for heavyweight unless you add another class, which again further waters things down.

 

I don't know if you can make that distinction clear cut.

GSP has dominated everyone he's beaten the last few years. Silva, great as he is, has put up snoozers against inferior fighters the past two fights. And he knows it.

The valid point has and can be made that GSP (and Fedor) don't play safe like Silva will. As the last two fights showed, Silva will do nothing rather than risk putting himself in a bad spot, which isn't a bad thing unless he doesn't finish his opponent. He's content to simply wait for counter opportunities for the duration of the fight.

The reason Silva's getting Forrest is because Forrest is an action fighter who will initiate the action and engage him. That's what Silva seems to need to be entertaining.

I love Silva as a human and a fighter, but tend to root against him as I'm generally an 'underdog' guy. I'll be pulling for Forrest, but Silva probably KO's him. Very interesting fight.

 

That's something you'd certainly like to do. But Brock's reach makes it difficult, as he tends to come forward when someone attempts one. Prior to the Carwin knockout, I was hoping Gonzaga would be a 2009 opponent, as he's big and can strike.

Perhaps Shane Carwin gets in there. Another dude with size and serious power. Only dude in the UFC with bigger hands than Brock.

I think that's partly his personality. It's a persona, sure. But I think he's an aggressive dude who responds in kind when he's booed.

 

How long until Stephan Bonner is out of the UFC?

He lost a decision to Mark Coleman last night.

 

hopefully for good......he has been over rated ever sense the TUF 1 finale ended

 

I don't enjoy watching WWE and while I have nothing against Lesner, I hope he is defeated by a fighter with more technical skill. I just don't find his fights nor antics particularly entertaining.

GSP, on the other hand, is a machine. His technique is unrivaled.

FinNasty, that's the difference. To give you an analogy you might be more familiar with; have you ever watched football with a newbie who says that it just looks like a bunch of guys running into a pile? They don't see guards pull, or great blocks or tackles. They don't see the running lanes the back is going for. To them football is all the same.

That's where you are now with regards to MMA. You see Lesner and GSP as just two guys wrestling. But watching a great submission fighter is like watching a great chess master or great boxer. When you can see what they are setting up and the counters the opponents are using, the sport becomes much more interesting.

 

Size is not the most important thing..neither is weight....Royce Gracie proved that time and time again.

Lesnar may be the top dog right now...but Mir did submit him, and someone will get the best of him in the future. No man is unbeatable in the octagon. That has been proven at every weight class since UFC 1.

The only part of UFC that is turning into WWF/WWE is the stupid post fight comments and interviews....I hope it doesnt lose its soul and turn over to the HERO vs. VILLIAN fake tit-for-tat crap....but have a feeling this is what some folks want.

I can do without all that DRAMA and just enjoy the mental and physical battle in the cage. Henderson and Lesnar both HOLLYWOODIZED their post fight persona.

 

Read somewhere that Brock was near 285-290 right before he walked out to the octagon.

Im assuming you missed his last couple of fights? Just watched the highlights?

Those guys don't fight in UFC.
I know a guy by name of Machida and Alves.

Is he a "beast" size wise? Sure. Thats about it. He lays on you, outweighing his next biggest competitor by 30+ pounds. Does it get the job done? Yes. Does that take any skill what so ever? No.

With all due respect to him, comparing MMA of that era and now, is like night and day.

The converted WWE fans.

Henderson had more reason. First of all, he is a respected, one of the best, and a true pioneer of MMA. Him and Bisping had a show where they (well, mostly Bisping) trash talked each other. Crowd loves Hendo, and in the end, he didin't even say much.

 

Lesnar apologizes to Mir, Bud Light; White promises Lesnar vs. Fedor

http://www.fiveknuckles.com/mma-new...Bud-Light-White-promises-Lesnar-vs-Fedor.html

There is still alot to the article.
In my opinion, he didn't mean it. Dana went in the back, and yelled at him, thats what happened.

 

Can somebody fill me in on what's going on between Lesnar and Mir?

 

Its all relative.....someone who is not as big, but has the skillset necessary will defeat him. Its a given. He already has proven he can lose....it will happen again. Any point about how he is too big, too fast, too strong - has an unfair advantage is bunk....he can lose.

 

the heavy weight division in MMA peaked about 5-7 years ago. brocks gonna have some success. im really not surprised he dominated Mir. he's a national champion wrestler, thats a serious legit athletic pedigree. but dont under-estimate bobby lashley. i think he;s gonna tear some people up in mma. those two beasts man...if they want you on the ground, you're goin on the ground.

 

man, whats with the hate? i dont like post fight antics or lack of sportsmanship either. and if he's juicing, we'll see if he gets busted, like Sherk and a lot of the others who failed post fight pissers.

but you remind me of the angry Americans, who were putting up with croatian fans, when they all thought cro-cop was the next coming of Jesus.
brock isnt the biggest heavy weight ever. the rules are fair. his opponents dont need to be his size. the rules werent put in place for lesnar. he's winning by the books. who cares about wwe fanbois. his wwe career was what, 1, 2 years tops? its not like HHH is hitting the octagon.

you should be grateful, theres nothing better than watching a dude you hate getting whipped in the ring. that will happen eventually.

 

Best Fighter? You mean the guy that lays on his Opponents until there tired then tries to fight them. I mean I understand his take downs are really good....But give the fans a fight don't just lay on your opponent. GSP doesn't even try and finish the fight

 

I think ground and pound may attract people but it doesn't sustain them probably b/c it is simple.

I think Lesner is a temporary novelty. He's a one-dimensional fighter. When the UFC began Royce Gracie was a one-dimensional fighter and he was very successful but eventually the skill of the other fighters increased. I don't think Royce Gracie in his prime would be successful in today's MMA. Lesner is one-dimensional in his physical ability but isn't overly skilled. Lesner was already defeated once by a fighter who was physically inferior but had superior skills. There will eventually be other skilled fighters who will close the physical gap and he will fade away. Unless of course Lesner also improves his skills, but odds are that he'll fade away physically before that.

 

I wouldnt bet against Gracie in his prime...I wouldnt bet against Bruce Lee in his....surprised you would make this statement.

P.S. I am not saying Gracie, Lee would go undefeated...but they would hold their own more often than not - regardless of competition....they proved that in their day, and would prove it in today's game too. IMHO! (just using Lee as a style and not saying he was MMA guy)