Davone Bess "most dynamic WR on the roster this season?"

Dude, the flea flicker for a TD was the Seattle game, you are talking about a reverse/flanker hand-off.

 

yeah I just deleted my post, my bad.
I was having a senior moment

 

First flaw is that I never said I was trying to be constructive. I had a criticism and I voiced it.

I think you're right about Camarillo.

The world needs more optimists I used to be one until life beat it out of me.

You're right on the flea flicker - thanks.

come one now don't start throwing personal things into this.

I clearly remember more than one fumble going out of bounds, I'll try to give you the specific game info.

I'll risk one fumble for a guy that is more likely to fight for a first down.

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hell of a breakdown with the play by play, numbers back it up. I made too general of a statement because there is a big different between a throw from teh 15 that goes 3 yards and one that goes to the goal line as to the end effect and the throws / catches in the red zone.

Fair enough.

 

Someone else did though, that's why I posted my comment.

 

I took the time to look it up, not a huge point but it was driving me crazy.

Week 1 muffs punt (does that count as a fumble?) out of bounds

Week 3 First quarter, fumbles out of bounds

Week 5 muffs punt, recovered himself

Week 7 Buffalo fumbles out of bounds (as you mentioned earlier)

Whatever week St. Louis was about 4:30 left in the fourth fumbled out of bounds

 

My point of contention was you said he was running scared in an attempt to get out of bounds each time he fumbled, which is what I said was complete ****.

 

I watched the man play the game I think he was in a hurry to get his *** out of bounds to avoid being hit so yea, I stand by what I said. I won't change my opinion of that. His whole career he goes down easy and gets out of bounds instead of fighting ahead and I do feel that a couple of the times he got the ball poked out from behind was because he was more worried about the sideline than holding onto the ball.

Yours is different, that's your right. As much as you think my opinion is **** I think that you fail to recognize how playing tentatively can be a major detriment to the team.

 

Marvin Harrisson played tentatively. I think his team did fine.

 

Add due respect you can't seriously compare the two. Harrison had a lot of game skills that Ginn doesn't possess at this point.

 

And yet Harrison didn't break 1k yards until year 4.

 

When Ginn breaks 1K get back to me.

If you want to compare year 1 and 2 for Harrison & Ginn I still think it's a pretty one sided comparison.

Here's the link if you need it.

 

Colts didn't have a running back with over 600 yards either (Faulk had 587 yards, next closest was some no name with 232 yards) in 2006 while in Ginn's first year, both Chatman and Brown were close to or around 600 yards rushing. They passed a lot more than they ran the ball also with Jim Harbaugh (better QB than Lemon/Beck, IMO). Not to mention Harrison was on a 9-6 team his first year compared to Ginn's 1-15 team.

In Harrison's second year, him and Ginn have similar statistics. Harrison had 4 more receiving touchdowns, but Ginn also had 2 rushing touchdowns. Harrison also had his second season with Harbaugh.

1998 Harrison had a solid year, but it was his first season with rookie QB Peyton Manning. Then the next year he erupted with 1600 receiving yards in Manning's second year.

If this proves anything to me, it says that we should give Ginn another year with Pennington to see how he does. I think the chemistry will make a difference.

 

No doubt Ginn has been dealt a tough hand so far. I had no problem admitting that.

I hope he blows me away next season and continues to get better at this point it wouldn't take much to raise my expectations from where they are now.

I was a huge fan coming into this team and maybe by virtue of the things he's had to overcome I've not gotten a chance to see his full potential because I admit (and I'm sure it's obvious) that I've completely soured on him and his style of play.

If he steps up I'll be the first to compliment him if he doesn't I expect this coaching staff to develop the other players around him further to make this group of WR into game changers as a unit but possibly not as individuals.

 

He was #9 overall in the draft because he had amazing talent. He wasn't a "reach" as many people thought he was at least a top 12 pick. Not like a Heyward-Bey who would of probably fell to 20 something.

 

This whole conversation, about which WR is #1 and #2 is a little bit flawed in its basic premise.
When the offense lines up they don't have WR 1,2,3, they have X,Y,Z right. Big hairy deal what they call them you say? Yea but the point is these three different positions require an entirely different route tree for each reciever. They all have a different job to do and the skills required for those jobs are different also. The x reciever will stretch the field more and requires a faster player, like Ginn. The Z position is playing underneath coverage and in between zones, more in the 5-10 yd range and requires a "quick" player who is able to get open with moves and crisp route running and timing. Like Bess.

Trying to compare these two is trying to compare a camaro to a SUV.

Bess is a different player filling a different role on the team from Ginn. It would be far more accurate to compare and contrast Bess' performance with Camarillos. We don't really have another Ginn on the team yet but Anthony Armstrong sure is trying.

I would say that Turner is going to be a Y reciever who may be able to play the X also, which would have been Hagan at the start of last yr.

Compare Ginn to the other X's around the league, and Bess to the Z's and we might have a more accurate look at how our WR corps stacks up. I'm not going to do it because I like our WR's, a lot, whatever it says on paper.

But lets talk apples to apples if we can.