Dolphins and the Martial Arts pt III

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Jun 15, 2009.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

    99,377
    37,301
    0
    Nov 22, 2007
    inching to 100k posts
    Beradino added some good content to the discussion about what the specialists were training the OLB's in:


    As an aside, recall that JT spoke of playing RDE in Washington as "playing in a phone booth"

    I agree with GM Ireland, for most plays, it is a hands game, the thing of it is, it takes 300 repetitions to imprint a technique in athletic memory, 1,000 for a automatic reaction to happen, Simlich and Storm were only part time help, it may be wise to hire them so they can teach the team until unconscious competence is achieved.

    That and as usual, I read the situation wrong, they were not teaching hand escapes, they were teaching players like JT and JP how to beat their opponents arms so they cannot keep them up late in the game..

    And this is a fairly good article, much more meaty then 'Nando's..

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/other/sfl-dolphins-martial-arts-s06150sbjun15,0,80766.story

    Amplified:

    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...i-dolphins-martial-arts-and-the-dolphins.html
     
  2. dolfan7171

    dolfan7171 Well-Known Member

    18,065
    3,629
    113
    Jun 12, 2009
    Arizona
    I love the fact that they are using martial arts to improve themselves before the season starts. We should be more dangerous now that before.
     
  3. Garryowen

    Garryowen New Member

    1,046
    243
    0
    Nov 26, 2007
    I'm not a huge believer in this sort of stuff. I mean, certainly it can help. Anything in terms of athletics isn't going to hurt. It's just not that this stuff hasn't been tried before....Just like Ballet and various other non-traditional training methods. Not against it or anything, but, I guess I just sort of rolled my eyes a little.
     
    TiP54 likes this.
  4. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Some pretty decent guys have used the martial arts in the past....for example, Dwight Stephenson utilized the arts. Several DL have on various teams and in various extents. Th use of martial arts as an aid for players not as uncommon as you might think....
     
  5. Garryowen

    Garryowen New Member

    1,046
    243
    0
    Nov 26, 2007
    Oh, without question I agree. My point really was it's not like this training method is a revalation or anything. Certainly it has helped some players. Though, I think Dwight would've been as good without it :wink2:
     
  6. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    That may be true, we'll never know and I'm not saying that MA were the reason for Dwight's success. My point was that MAs have help quite a few players...some very prominent. I guess the whole point of this is that if MAs, ballet, or the hokey-pokey gives a player an edge of some sort, they or their coaches will try it...and if it improves our guys handwork, great....lets do it...

    edit: like Zach and his hyperbarric chamber, for example....
     
  7. Garryowen

    Garryowen New Member

    1,046
    243
    0
    Nov 26, 2007
    Personally, I believe lots of the benefits are mental. If the guys believe it helps, it will help. I agree it certainly can help.
     
  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    117,357
    75,056
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    Agreed 100 percent, its the mental advantages that intrigue me most.

    Ive always talked about "ninja like focus," Basically to recalibrate your mind before each snap, when you can combine talent, with focus for your craft, you make Probowlers.
     
  9. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

    99,377
    37,301
    0
    Nov 22, 2007
    inching to 100k posts
    Cool thing is Dj, they were not teaching them a single escape technique, the specialists were teaching the entire team how to wear down opponents.
     
  10. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

    9,413
    8,747
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    Slightly left of center
    Hopefully they taught Channing Crowder a few things for the rematch with Light.
     
    Agua, cnc66 and Bpk like this.
  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    117,357
    75,056
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    can you expand on that thought because the article does'nt give to much detail as to how their being trained to wear down their opponent?..you mean mentally?
     
  12. Garryowen

    Garryowen New Member

    1,046
    243
    0
    Nov 26, 2007
    If Crowder doesn't learn to cut those dreads, he's stupid. That should've been a wake up call. He's stupid, or he's arrogant if he doesn't make the change.
     
  13. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

    99,377
    37,301
    0
    Nov 22, 2007
    inching to 100k posts
    I had thought what was being taught was "slips" meaning the OLB tries to get off line from the blocker in front of them and use their hands to "slip" past them.

    What Big Jake is saying is that they were taught targeting of their opponents biceps and elbows, by striking those areas time after time for a whole game, later in the game the opponents arms are just weary, that is a old school boxing technique btw, a couple of good elbow shots and they can't really use their arms as well.

    They weren't teaching them tricks, those two were teaching a strategy Dj.
     
  14. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

    27,364
    31,261
    113
    Apr 6, 2008
    That's what I thinking. In a full contact match, one technique I was taught was to punch the inside of the shoulder (where it meets the chest). I found that to have that "weary arm" effect as well.
     
  15. TiP54

    TiP54 Bad Reputation

    10,688
    4,955
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    Live from the Internet.
    Dirty Boxing :)
     
  16. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

    99,377
    37,301
    0
    Nov 22, 2007
    inching to 100k posts
    No, dirty boxing is pinning the opponents foot then beating the heck out of them because they can't move...:wink2:
     
  17. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    Where's Mr. Miagi when we need him? :lol:
     
  18. Coral Reefer

    Coral Reefer Premium Member

    10,281
    5,232
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    Back in Miami
    The benefits of this are much more than mental.

    IF they are teaching it right (teaching only specific movements that translate onto the football field) then it is absolutely a legitimate benefit for onfield prowess against opponents.

    Like Ireland said, football is a game where hands are VERY important.
    You really don't realize it unless you've played.

    As an OLineman in my time I can tell you that if you don't let a DL get ahold of you with his hands that you really have an advantage. Same with DL, they wan't the OL hands off of them before any of their moves can really be effective. Techniques to break the grip of Lineman off of you were always focused on in practices in college.

    This is one of those things that has a very real translation to the game.
     
  19. TiP54

    TiP54 Bad Reputation

    10,688
    4,955
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    Live from the Internet.
    Well..step on the Dlinemens feet, and plummer them :tongue2:
     

Share This Page