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yep it is true they are going to be wrestling at Mania, but don't get too excited, Snuka's about 175 pounds now, Piper's got a huge gut and a hip replacement, and Steamboat, while he looks like he could still go, has a bad back.

didn't hear Angle, what did he have to say?

but i did read that he was dating Raka Khan in real life currently, and that might be the only thing keeping her employed, since she is pretty much despised among the crew of TNA.

 

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Anyone else think that the King should be Heel? I would love it if he was Heel, would make his commentary great!

 

But then he couldn't go on and on about puppies! Haha. You're right though. The best team of announcers were always a face and heel. I really miss Gorilla and either Jesse Ventura or Bobby Heenan. Those guys were the best together. Jim Ross and Paul Heyman weren't that bad either.

 

Anyone else hear JBL saying he is going to make history at WM? I would not be surprised if he buys the MITB brief case and cashes it at WM

 

i read somewhere that JBL will "make history" by retiring (again) as a champion, after his match at WM. he has alot of lingering injuries. don;t know how much truth there is to that though.

 

I think he means just by defending the IC belt at WM will make history considering its been what almost 6 or 7 years since it was defended?

I hope that JBL moves back into the broadcast booth, as much as I dislike him as a wrestler, I do however think he's very good on the mike announcing matches.

 

Can I get an update on what happened on Monday night Raw?

 

What if JBL beats Mysterio, then retires, retiring the IC title with him

 

Not going to happen. Mysterio is just way to quick for JBL to handle

 

It does not matter, Vince says who he wants to win, and who ever he picks, win

Jericho was asked, "You're a wrestler ... so, do you think you have better abs than Barack Obama?" Jericho replied, "As of right now I have better abs ... but pretty soon he's gonna take 65% of my abs away from me and give 'em to somebody else." Ouch, sounds like Y2J is ticked about a possible impending tax hike for America's rich folks.
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Having Kane win that Battle Royal was pointless on so many levels. God forbid they let Christian, CM Punk, Shelton, Kingston or MVP win it. Oh well, at least that means Kane must likely won win the MitB match at WM.

 

i hope, but WM is going to suck

 

the only matches on the card that could not be on any other ppv is basicly taker-hbk, ladder match and maybe hardy vs hardy, there no match that stands out. WWE should make taker-hbk the main event, but it will be hhh-orton... the triple threat match whole stoyline is just stupid...

 

Sadly I thought the promo Orton cut last night was actually pretty good. What ruined the segment was Vince and Shane coming out and throwing those awful looking fake punches.

And the Triple H/Orton match has those dumb rules that if Triple H gets counted out or DQed he loses the title? So so dumb.

 

Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that Vince McMahon uses steroids? I mean seriously, a man his age in the best shape of his life?

 

Well, it kinda make sense.

(Stepping in to Kayfabe mode)

Considering Triple H brutalized Orton at his own home, whose to say he won't do the same thing once the match start?

 

was wondering about that... my DVR cut off while Orton was still in the ring and the limo pulled up. but i did like the promo and how it brought together the angles leading to HHH vs Orton.

did Shane bring the Mean Street Posse too or just daddy-roids?

seriously, though count me among those who is completely underwhelmed about WM this year.

i personally could not care less about the Hardy's.

if HBK does not lose to Taker after the way he has owned him in the buildup to the match, then there is no one alive who will ever convince me that Michaels doesn't have some blackmail pictures of Vinny doing something sexual with a farm animal.

i have no interest in watching Cena's superman act again. after seeing him put over the Big Show last night, it was all but confirmed Cena is going to win the title.

there is no one in the MITB match who i care about enough to watch.

the Jericho angle has been entertaining, and he is really on his game these days, but the match with the legends is going to be awful.

the tag titles are now basicly meaningless. and other than Santino, the divas battle royal i just, eh.

not really a good time to be a wrestling fan these days. TNA isn't much of an alternative with all the old WCW/WWE retreads at the top either.

 

You know...I was playing the new L.O.W. game and after watching some of the clips, etc,
the appeal just isnt there anymore. The atmosphere isnt the same. You dont have the super powers colliding, or the 8th wonder of the world vs. the Hulkamaniacs, the special feeling to wrestlemania, just isnt there anymore. Its just another PPV, IMO.

 

But this is Wrestle Mania. You make that type of gimmick match for a RAW match or something. I mean if wrestling were real why wouldn't DiBiase or Rhodes storm the ring and start beating up Orton thus causing Triple H to be DQed and giving Orton the title? It just doesn't make any sense. You can smell a screw job ending, especially if this match doesn't go on last.

Agreed. WM just doesn't interest me at all not even the Michaels/Taker match. If I want to watch HBK/UT I'll just put on their Hell in the Cell match.

That Jericho match is going to be an embarassment because you know Jericho will beat Snuka and then job to either Piper or Steamboat with help from Flair and/or Rouke.

 

It's because the WWE only has 4 superstars: Shawn Michaels, Triple H, The Undertaker and John Cena. And those guys have fought each other so many times in the past 3 to 4 years that it just isn't special anymore.

I think there's a few things that hurt the WWE now:

1.) Too many wrestlers, too many brands. Too many titles.

2.) 12 to 16 PPVs each year is way too much. They should run maybe 6 to 8. That way they can drag out feuds and really build a nice storyline to it, imagine if the Jericho/Michaels ladder match at the October PPV was at WM instead? It would be one of the biggest/best matches ever but because it was on a random PPV it's forgotten.

3.) WWE just doesn't build up new stars. They haven't had any new superstars other than Cena since 1998-2000.

4.) The product just sucks.

 

Also it looks like Tazz is done with the WWE. His contract ended last night and he hasn't signed a new one and it looks like he's walking away.

 

I want to know when HBK developed a lazy eye. That thing was hanging badly last night when he was in the coffin.

I think the build up for HBK-UT has been pretty good. Cheesy at times, but the kind of cheesy that we all grew up on in my opinion. I still think that UT walks away a winner, but HBK is able to hang his hat on the fact that he stole the show, yet again (he always does, and is by far, in my opinion, the greatest wrestler of this era).

I still think a cool finish one of these years would be for all the living and cooperating wrestlers that have lost to UT at Wrestlemania come back to help a youngin' end his streak (someone like Ted Dibiase, which would be cool for the tie in of his father originally bringing in UT for his Survivor Series team). I am expecting a good match from UT-HBK on Sunday.

The Orton-HHH saga is eye rolling bad. If you didn't know any better, you wouldn't even know that the title was on the line. Since that is the case, I think they probably should have shifted the title to a different fued (like say, Jeff Hardy vs. Matt Hardy) and simply have the HHH-Orton fued be a blood fued, of sorts.

I also wouldn't have wasted Jericho in this legends match. You know he is going to lose to give the fans a feel good moment. I would have been okay with him facing Mickey Rourke as I think Mickey would have taken it seriously. Ideally, the legends contest should have bene against Austin, and there is still a chance that Austin will come out, stunner Jericho and cause the legends to win, but most likely it will be Flair/Rourke interfering and taking me out of it. I think my biggest problem with this angle (besides sapping every last ounce of goodwill form those old timers) is that there is no endgame seemingly for Jericho. If he loses, he looks foolish. If he wins, it is expected and either way, there is no where to go with this angle. No natural fit for Jericho's character after this Sunday.

As for the MitB match, it should be good. I think eight guys in the match is overkill. Six is the magic number if you ask me. Also, I think changing the match stipulations up could work for future WM's as I too, feel the ladder match is overdone and has lost its luster. An elimination style match could be interesting for future use, or an elimination chamber match, etc.

I like the idea of unifying the tag titles, and I hope it is a sign of things to come for the U.S./Intercontinental title and ultimately, the world titles...but I doubt it. There is certainly no need for two tag titles at this point though. There are barely two full time teams.

The rest of the card really isn't worth mentioning in my opinion. I am underwhelmed with the Show/Cena/Edge matchup. I would love to see a quick match that ends with Show just punching Cena and Edge in the face, dragging one on top of the other, and pinning both at once. I think it would go a long way to making him a dominant, credible giant again and give the Smackdown brand a sense of direction going forward. Cena can chase him for awhile while Show keeps reminding him that recently, all he has to do is hit Cena once, and its lights out. The Summerslam matchup where show goes for a punch, Cena ducks and deliversan FU as a counter almost writes itself.

But there is no way that happens.

 

Could explain alot actually. 3 D quoted him in there last interview, and the next big TNA PPV you is in Philly.

 

Any chance we see him in the ring again? And, better question, will he be worth a crap at all since it's been, what, 10 years?

 

I doubt it. He had the same neck problems Austin and Edge had but he didnt have the surgery they did.

 

Plus, he resembles a potato moreso than a wrestler at this point. I think he is okay as an announcer and a definite upgrade over West. It would be kind of funny to see him come out, tazmission the **** out of Don and send Don packing for good.

Then have him shoot on WWE for cautting his balls off as a performer and vow to shoot it straight from here on out. And then let him be a super heel as an announcer.

 

I think that just about anyone is an upgrade over Don West ... ugh ... can't stand the guy.

 

glad to have you back posting in this thread


wrestling always has its ups and downs but i think jericho will still pull off a good match at WM

 

HBK got the lazy eye from Y2J

I agree 100% with the MITB match, change it up each year.

Edge-Big Show-Cena match could only end good if, Edge wins, then Christian cashes it in, and has a good match at WM and beat Edge, or if Cena wins and JBL buys the MITB and cashes it in. I don't want Cena, Edge, or Big show to come out on top. I rather see Show out of all of them though.

I do believe that JBL may retire that IC title though... would be pretty cool

 

I think Show winning would be unique and unexpected. I believe Ric Flair when he says that Show could OWN this business if properly motivated. That goes for the creative team as well. The guy oozes charisma and has a legit frame to back up and legitimize squashing pretty much everyone. Plus, when he eventually goes down, it would be huge.

And my thougth for JBL is probably different than others who want him back as an announcer. Seeing him come out of the limo with Regal a few weeks back led me to believe that him running a stable similar to the Million Dollar Man's old one (with Bam Bam, Tatonka, Volkoff, etc.) might be the way to go. One of two ways he could go with it.

A: He loses the title to Rey, and "hires" a bunch of people to avenge him. People like Regal, Burchill, Knox, etc. He brings them out in his limo each week to show them the good life and acts as their manager/color commentator when they wrestle. I wouldn't mind seeing a heel tag team of Regal/Burchill. Perhaps a re-make of the Blue Bloods?

B: He retains the title and hires a bunch of former IC title holders to wrestle by proxy for him. It could lead to entertaining angles and could be a nice vehicle to finally turn Santino 100% face. He can beg JBL to use him one week, only to have him lose the title to someone and watch JBL go ballistic and ultimately clothesline Santino dead. Santino swears revenge and you have yourself a nice little undercard matchup that you can utilize for a few months.

One of the biggest problems I have with the WWE is that not enough time is spent developing undercard talent/fueds. Its these types of fueds and long term planning that eventually gets audiences to click with the wrestlers and ultimately, elevate them.

 

Maybe 10 years ago when he first came to the WWF/E. Now no matter how they build him up the fans won't buy him as legit anymore. The WWE did drop the ball a little with him but he got much too fat and lazy so I don't blame them for not giving him a big run.

 

Meh, at his height, he can afford to rock a beer gut and still be credible.

And fans have short memories. You build show up over a period of time and all they will remember will be the dominant champion who kills peeps dead with his fist.

I would much rather they try reviving him than force feed us that douchenozzle Randy Orton.

Quite frankly, they need to start giving CM Punk, Kofi Kingston (who I think will have a breakout year this year), Mike Knox, Jack Swagger and Dibiase a little bit more room to manuever within the company.

They **** the bed a few years ago with Benjamin and Carlito. For awhile those two who crazy hot.

As for now though, Show can be a legit champion people buy him as a conetender still) they just need to make him a monster again.

 

I'll take a PM if someone has a link to WM 25

 

edge, big show, y2j should be pushed.
benjamin and carlito should always be close to the main event IMO.
kofi, I hope, does not go the way of benjamin.

 

me to por favor............

 

thank you sir.

 

Edge and Jericho get a lot of TV time and Edge has been pushed heavily for almost his whole career. I think Edge is doing just fine. Jericho, I think should be given the World title and really run with it, at least make him hold the belt for a solid half a year to a year (which would be almost insane nowadays).

I do think the WWE tries to push the Big Show but they can never seem to get him over the hump, in part I think do to Show being lazy most of the times.

Carlito is pretty much done in the WWE, is he even still with them? Haha, I honestly don't even know. I think his shot being anything more than IC material is silm to none anyway. EDIT: Just saw he's wrestling at WM25 shows how much I pay attention but I seriously think Carlito has no future with the WWE. It also doesn't help him that he b---hes about them in every interview he has.

They should push Shelton but they don't like how he has the personality of a rock, very few guys ever get over in the WWE that have zero mike skills, they probably should have given him a manager of something awhile that wasn't a 300 pound black woman playing his mom. Too bad Slick isn't still around, he'd be the perfect manager for either Shelton or even Crime Time.

I think John Morrison is next in line to get that mega push and soon. He's good in the ring and on the mike. I think the future of the WWE is Morrison, Kingston, DiBiase, and Punk.