The Official Miami Heat Return to the Playoffs Thread.

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  1. FinNasty

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    What a horrible call...
     
  2. High Definition

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    WOW!!!!!!!!!

    Ripped off by those dirty ****ing Boston refs. Perkins didn't touch that ball last?????

    This is why the NBA sucks.

    Why did they pass the vote for instant replay if it's as limited as can be?
     
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  3. Big E

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    That call sucked.
     
  4. Big E

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    This game felt like a bad date. I took the Heat out she seemed like a prude so I lost interest, but then she starts unbuttoning her blouse and I'm like yeh! Then she starts taking off her shirt, and I'm like hell yeh! Then I go to touch her breast and the ref makes a terrible call!!
     
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  5. Desides

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    Someone want to tell me what happened? I turned it off when we went down by 8 points.
     
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    I blame this loss on whoever had the final call on Wade sitting tonight.
     
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    Chalmers hit two triples back to back, traded a few baskets, eventually we were down 3 with possession with 24.6 seconds to go. Chalmers drives to the hoop, misses, Kendrick Perkins CLEARLY knocks the ball out of bounds (all three commentators agreed), yet of course Boston isn't supposed to be allowed to lose at home. Celtics granted possession. Game over and decided by the gays in the black and white stripes.

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    Shaq you better come to play tonight!!!!!
     
  9. Section126

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    We got philly by 3 in the win column...we are fine guys.
     
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    I'd rather have them by 3 in the loss column than win column.

    We're tied in the loss column. If they pull out this close game against PHX, they're .5 back.

    Wade is questionable for Friday night. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Section126

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    Detroit and Philly lost.

    all is well.
     
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    Man...last night made me feel alot better about the future of this team with Beas, dude is going to be a stud very soon. If we can keep him and Wade in Miami, wow...

    I've always been a J. O'Neal fan. Met him here when he played for Indy, real decent guy. He tried to do too much last night at times, but, he wants to win. I hope he resigns with us after this yr, personally.
     
  13. Section126

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    JO is up after NEXT year.

    Jamario Moon is our only FA (that matters) this year.
     
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  14. FinNasty

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    I love Beasley. I really do...

    The guy is so talented. Its just hard b/c its so frustrating watching our games and watching how underutilized this guy is... and we are LOSING games b/c of it. Like I said long ago, as long as we are winning, I dont care if they play Beasley at all. But if we are losing, and Beasley isnt playing, I'm going to be pissed.

    Last night, Beasley had 0 fouls. 0. And he finished regulation only playing 27 minutes... without Wade. What the ****?!? Our leading scorer... and our hottest scorer. He finally comes in with 3 min left in the first... promptly scores 11 points in the next 11 minutes... and then how is he rewarded? With the ****ing bench until the end of the 3rd...

    **** Spolstra. Its like he is intentionally trying to lose games. We arent competing for a lottery pick Spolstra! We are trying to make a playoff push! Get our best ****ing players on the floor!!!
     
  15. Section126

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    FinNasty...

    Spo knows what he is doing.

    They are playing him the right amount of minutes to have him for the entire year.

    There was nothing wrong with the rotation yesterday.

    We need scoring off the bench. Without Beasley coming off the bench...WE LOSE GAMES.

    He is playing the right amount of minutes...I don;t know where you were gonna find the minutes for him yesterday.

    Beasley played 31 minutes.

    Haslem played 21 minutes.

    WTF do you want?

    and if you drop the "let's play him at the 3 spot..." then what? you drop the defense from Moon and Jones ..as well as their 3 pt. shooting.

    again..there is nothing wrong with how they played him yesterday.

    SPO knows WTF he is doing.
     
  16. Section126

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    BTW..had they played him at the 3...Pierce would have gone to the cup and gotten our entire front line in Foul trouble.

    Beasley is a Power Forward. That is now clear.
     
  17. FinNasty

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    I have NO problem with Beasley coming off the bench. Hell, I prefer it with how our team is set up right now. You are exactly right... we need the scoring off the bench.

    However, what I have a problem with is how long it takes Spolstra to bring Beasley off the bench.

    Beasley didnt come in until 3min left in the first quarter... and not until 2min left in the 3rd quarter.

    He has GOT to get in earlier in both halves. He only got 27 minutes in regulation, and Haslem had 22. Do you honestly believe there is no more minutes available than 27? Really? That is a game where we need Beasley's scoring more than anything. Haslem is hurting... yet they split minutes at the 4 almost equally?

    Bring Beasley off the bench... thats fine. But go to the bench quicker and more often.
     
  18. FinNasty

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    Who said I want to play him at the 3? You're right... Peirce would have eaten Beasley alive...

    So play Beasley at the 4, and give him 35 minutes off the bench. That leaves Haslem 13 minutes, in a game where Haslem is hurt, and we desperately need Beasley's scoring more than anything Haslem brings to the table...
     
  19. Section126

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    Haslem played Center also.

    if you want to play Beasley more at the 4..it has to come from Haslem's minutes.

    The minutes were distributed correctly in this order:

    JO
    Beasley
    Haslem
    magliore

    and you can't play 3 in the rotation either. (the only other way to add minutes for Beasley) Because we don't have a Small Forward that can play PF...and Beasley doesn;t play Center.

    There was nothing wrong with how he was played yesterday. beasley is being developed beautifully. He is only 20 years old.
     
  20. Section126

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    Playing a 10/10 PF 13 minutes is ridiculous.

    He shot the ball well and scored 11 points himself yesterday. and drew 2 charges.
     
  21. FinNasty

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    The red and the blue sentences contradict each other...

    Beasley's minutes at the 4 dont all have to come from Haslem's minutes, BECAUSE Haslem can move to the 5, allowing Beasley to get on the floor as the 4. And Beasley should get more minutes a game at the 4 than Haslem to begin with... in any game... but thats a different matter. I'm just talking about last night.

    The way to add minutes for Beasley is to put Haslem's *** on the bench more... or move Haslem to the 5 when ONeal is out.... putting Beasley in at the 4.

    There are at least 32 available minutes in regulation per game available for Beasley. Spolstra chooses not to...
     
  22. FinNasty

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    When healthy? And when we have Wade in the line up? Sure...

    But Haslem isnt healthy... his back is killing him. And we needed Beasley's scoring last night without Wade more than Haslem's 11 points and 4 rebounds.
     
  23. Section126

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    They do not contradict each other.

    You cannot rotate 3 in a power rotation WITHOUT a SF that can swing into the PF spot.

    It is just basic basketball coaching.

    The first guy you sit has to be the swing between the two spots...the only guy that can swing is Haslem..so Haslem would have to be the first guy to sit since he is gonna take the backup minutes to JO as well..in order to get Beasley more minutes.


    Think about how you would do your substitutions. it is damn near impossible..and I haven't gotten to the matchups yet.

    the only way is to cut into JO's minutes and go small....and I wouldn't want to do that.
     
  24. FinNasty

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    I dont understand what the 3 has to do with the 4 and the 5. Why do you need a SF that can play PF?

    You start with Haslem and JO at the 4 and 5. Then, you leave JO in, and sub Beasley in for Haslem. Then, when its time to sub ONeal out, sub Haslem in for O'Neal at the 5, leaving Beasley at the 4. When its time to rest Beasley, you slide Haslem back to the 4, and insert ONeal at the 5. In this scenerio, the guy we are sitting first is the guy that swings between the 2 positions (Haslem).

    Or you sub out JO first, slide Haslem over to the 5, and insert Beasley at the 4. Then, when its time to rest Haslem, insert JO at the 5 and leave Beasley at the 4. Then, when Beasley needs a rest, put Haslem at the 4 and leave JO at the 5.


    Whats wrong with that? You know more than me X's and O's wise, and I couldnt coach a basketball team to save my life... but why wouldnt that work?
     
  25. #1 fan

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    it seemed like beasley was on fire last night and in crunch time he needed to get the ball more. i blame chalmers for not being aware or this, or maybe JO for forcing the action, but not spo. Spo put beasley in the game, but he can't run on the court and pass him the ball.
     
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  26. FinNasty

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    You can still call plays that iso Beasley... which is what needed to be done. I put some of the blame on Chalmers too though, b/c you're right, he needs to be more aware of that as a PG.
     
  27. Section126

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    It would overlap their minutes and would not give the "swing" enough rest.
     
  28. FinNasty

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    Please explain what you mean in more detail. Why would it overlap their minutes?

    Since the JO/Moon trade...

    JO is averaging around 31 minutes.
    Haslem is averaging around 35 minutes.
    Beasley is averaging around 23 minutes.

    There is no way to cut back Haslem's 35 minutes per game? Really?

    Haslem would be the "swing" in this case. I'm not saying making all 3 rotations equal time and split into thirds, b/c then you're right... Haslem is getting double the work load of JO or Beasley. You just have the stretch of JO/Beasley last longer than the stretches of Beasley/Haslem or Haslem/JO. Make the 2 stretches Haslem is in shorter stretches, giving him more rest.

    The minutes wouldnt overlap, and you could easily work it so Haslem only got 20-25 minutes if you wanted to... with Beasley and JO being together the majority of the time.
     
  29. Section126

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    That is exactly what they did last night.


    As long as Beasley comes off the bench, and Haslem is the only guy we have that can swing between the 4 and 5..then the only guy that can lose minutes to give to Beasley is JO. and we don;t want to do that.
     
  30. FinNasty

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    That assumes that the 3 different pairings are all lasting for equal times. Why can only JO loose minutes? You could play the rotations like this...


    Rotations: Total minutes played together per game

    JO/Haslem: 13
    Haslem/Beasley: 13
    JO/Beasley:22
    = 48 minutes

    Have the 3 rotations divided up something like this. In this scenario, JO gets 35 minutes, Haslem gets 26 minutes, and Beasley get 35 minutes.
     
  31. Section126

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    doesn;t work that way.

    to do that..you wouldn't be able to run a combo for a 10 minute stretch. You would constantly be going to the bench.

    As of now..beasley is getting at least TWO 10 minute stretches a game..which allows him to get his offense going.

    What you are proposing would bring guys in just for a blow and not to actually effect play.

    till Beasley starts...this is a damn good way to get him worked in.
     
  32. FinNasty

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    What do you mean you wouldnt be able to run a combo for a 10 min stretch? What does that mean?
     
  33. Section126

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    Leaving a combination of front court players for ten minutes in a row.

    playing a 3 man rotation would guarantee at least one guy getting a 42 minute stint and another guy playing a bunch of 5 minute stretches.

    it hurts continuity.


    like I said..that only works if you have a guy that plays the 3 that can be the 4th guy in the power rotation. Like Antoine Walker when we won the championship....

    We have nobody on the team that can play the 3 and the 4 on both ends of the court. and Only Beasley can play it on the offensive end.
     
  34. FinNasty

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    Where did you get someone playing 42 minutes?

    How often is too often for going to your bench in a quarter? Would 3 times in a quarter be too much? No, right?

    You could do it like this:

    1st Quarter
    12-8 - JO/Haslem
    8-3 - JO/Beasley
    3-0-Haslem Beasley
    2nd Quarter
    12-8 - Still Haslem/Beasley
    8-4 - JO/Beasley
    4-0 - JO/Haslem
    3rd Quarter
    12-8 - JO/Haslem
    8-2 - JO/Beasley
    2-0 - Haslem/Beasley
    4th Quarter
    12-9 - Haslem/Beasley
    9-0 - JO/Beasley


    Beasley and JO get good long streaks for continuity and getting into a flow on offense like you wanted... especially Beasley, but he also gets some breathers with the break up of quarters so he doesnt get gassed.

    And we can use a guy like Magloire to help break some of it up as well with about 15 minutes worth of play here and there. That will ad a 4th to the rotation which will help as well.
     
  35. Section126

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    That is a crazy sub pattern. just like I said..it is in and out..in and out..in and out...

    you need 10 minute lengths in there.

    ONE sub per quarter, per unit (front court, back court)

    always 3 for 3 or 2 for 2, and you stretch one player (backcourt or front court player) (Wade)
     
  36. FinNasty

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    Its not in and out and in and out though... JO and Beasley play for long stretches.

    JO plays stretches of 9min, 8min, 10min, and 9min.

    Beasley plays stretches of 8min, 8min, 8min, and 12min.

    All right around 10 minute lengths. And some are actually longer back to back stretches, but are broken up by the quarter or half.

    And its only 2 substitutions per quarter vs. 1, is that really so bad? That extra sub per quarter isnt worth getting our 2nd best player on the floor more?
     
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    And if it really cant be done... and the starting PF is the one that has to play significantly more minutes (35pg vs. 24pg) based on the rotations... then Beasley needs to start.

    There arent many games left in the season. Starting him the last 15 games isnt going to negatively effect his development. We need Beasley on the floor more in order to win... especially the playoffs. I'd love to give him 30-35min off the bench, but if it cant be done... then he needs to start.

    As much as I like bringing Beasley off the bench... his 35 minutes starting are worth more to us than his 24 minutes off the bench...
     
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    4th seed is officially out of the reach, IMO.

    Wade better play tomorrow night. If we finish 6th, then we're auto-eliminated round one.
     
  39. Section126

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    the schedule says there is one run at the 4th seed left...and Philly's schedule is pretty tough...forget Detroit..we are taking care of them personally.
     
  40. FinNasty

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    Bump Section?
     

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