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Cowboys Intrested in Darren McFadden According to ESPN.....

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  1. #1dolphinsfan

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    ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports the Cowboys have a strong interest in Arkansas RB Darren McFadden It looks like this is our Chance to trade Down if we could get Both there 22 pick and 28th pick that would be great if we could get alot of Picks from dallas even though they Draft Low in about ever round we can get some pretty good Picks

    Here is the link
    http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4649
     
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  2. like2god

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    Link?

    I still don't think it happens, Dallas would be foolish to trade away 2 1st rounders and a 2nd to move up to draft McFadden. They already have Barber who is a very good and very capable RB.
     
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  3. #1dolphinsfan

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    thanks for the Reminder i forgot about the link
    yea but they like the 2 back system Barber doesnt have that Break away speed like McFadden or J. Jones have he is more of a 3rd and Short and a goal line back were McFadden would be an all around back for them
     
  4. KB21

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    Mort mentioned that to get the deal done, Dallas would have to include both first round picks and Marion Barber.

    He also mentioned Miami being high on Matt Ryan, but I think that is a smoke screen to stir up interest in the pick. Drafting Matt Ryan with the 1st pick is one of the worst things Miami can do with that pick. He's not a top 15 guy in this draft, much less a candidate for the #1 overall pick.
     
  5. Sethdaddy8

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    Smoooooooke on the waaaaaater.
     
  6. Sethdaddy8

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    hey, is there a way to look at last years draft chat that you guys ran?

    and are you doing that gain?
     
  7. #1dolphinsfan

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    i dont think we would get Barber in that trade i think that would be asking for to much
    and i hope it is a smoke screen for matt Ryan i like other people in the Draft before him if he fell to 22(if we trade with dallas) and we got him there then i would care but not at #1
     
  8. KB21

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    I am assuming that we will be doing the draft chat again. I don't think there is anyway to look at last year's chat though.
     
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  9. like2god

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    Would Miami have interest in Barber? Ronnie is more than capable IMO to carry the load, although his injury could be an issue at the start of the year. But even still, that's alot of $$$ to tie up in one position. I don't see it.

    I would hope so. I would prefer Miami went defense (Dorsey, Long, Gholston, Ellis) with that pick.
     
  10. #1dolphinsfan

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    yea i have to agree i dont see that happening i see us getting Draft picks if anything from them not Barber plus Ronnie has the skills to be the best in the league and he showed that this year
     
  11. Samphin

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    I would be ok with trading that low IF we were able to take their first/second round pick NEXT year as well. We are rebuilding and need to load up on picks. One way to do that is to think beyond this year.

    Marion Barber is a great back, but splitting time in Miami with Ronnie doesn't seem like a fix for anything on our side. Considering we have some talented reserves in Chatman, Gado and (ugh) Ricky Williams (although I really prefer he go away), I don't think trading for another back (even as talented as Barber) will help us as much as a bunch of early draft picks over the next few years would.
     
  12. KB21

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    Marion Barber was more than capable of carrying the load as well, but Dallas still split time with Marion Barber and Julius Jones.

    Getting Barber would certainly tie up a lot of money in the tailback position, and Miami would have two of the league's ten best tailbacks on the roster.

    I don't like the idea of splitting carries between running backs. It is a little easier to stomach when they are of similar caliber, but still, I think limited the carries for both players hurts them both in the long run.
     
  13. lbmclean_sj

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    I've always said that any team that wants McFadden would only have to deal with the Rams

    if this goes down I will be scratching my head
     
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  15. #1dolphinsfan

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    why would it only go down with the Rams maybe they want to draft someone that is going to go High in the draft
     
  16. lbmclean_sj

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    who knows?, my point was that the team picking behind us does not need a RB. you know what I mean right?

    this is really fishy, is there something to the quid pro quo for Ireland and Sparano theory?

    maybe Jones doesn't want to risk losing Mcfadden at all costs, but that is scary paranoid.
     
  17. jason8er

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    Exactly. If they want McFadden, they don't have to trade all the way up to #1 to get him.
     
  18. Sethdaddy8

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    I would suspect Ireland would have an idea, just how bad the Cowboys want Mcfadden...I'd suspect he has a good idea of everything the Cowboys want in the upcoming draft. Perhaps they are thinking more along the lines of resigning Jones and going after Mcfadden? or maybe optioning jones and the 2 first rounders. either way, i just cant fathom this deal getting done with us.
     
  19. FanMarino

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    Agree. Why lose 2 very good picks for a player that has dropped in alot of ppls opinion last several weeks. Question is now. Is he worth it? IMO no which sadly for us means we wont get 2 1st round picks.
     
  20. #1dolphinsfan

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    yea i get what ur talking about but if he doesnt want to loss him at any cost he might want to pick #1 what if miami Traded with someone else and they took him like maybe Detroit
     
  21. padre31

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    Marion Barber would spell finis for Ronnie though wouldn't it?

    Hmm..how about Dallas' 2 #1's, a 4th rd pick this yr and Bobby Carpenter and Marcus Spears?
     
  22. FanMarino

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    Like a shot. I'd be amazed if we had that scenario and actually got it.
     
  23. adamprez2003

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    I think we would ask for their two #1s, their 2nd, next year's #1 and hopefully a player other than Barber, preferably on defense

    The other part of that report that everyone is still in denial over is that Ireland and Parcells dont like Beck which is something Ive been telling you guys for over a month now. At some point the smokescreen lifts and there's a naked emperor walking down the street (for the literary minded). If they dont like Beck, they have to draft a QB. Green and Lemon are not the answer. So if this trade down doesnt happen Matt Ryan will be our QB. If the trade down does happen, Henne, Brohm or Flacco will be our drafted QB. Just accept the fact already that Parcells doesnt like Beck and will not give him a fair chance to compete for the starting job.
     
  24. KB21

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    Let's just put it this way. If Bill Parcells overrules everyone in the building and drafts Matt Ryan with the #1 overall pick, then Miami made a tremendously bad decision with bringing Parcells in to run the football operations. Matt Ryan isn't now nor will he be worth the #1 overall pick in the draft. He also isn't a better quarterback prospect than John Beck.
     
  25. FanMarino

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    I like the way you said "fair". Which says to me you think Beck needs to be given a chance? I do. Give him a pre-season at least.
     
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  26. lbmclean_sj

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    maybe there is an Adrian Peterson effect that I am unware of, but I don't think teams are clamoring to trade up high to get McFadden.

    Jones is kinda a get what I want at all costs guy, so if he wants to be a moron and give us a boatload of picks/players then great
     
  27. KB21

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    Also, if Jeff Ireland doesn't like John Beck, why was John Beck one of the first players on the team that he reached out to?

    Also, why is the team hiring an offensive coordinator that has worked with Drew Brees, a quarterback John Beck gets compared to a great deal, since the 2002 season?

    If you had film on John Beck and film on Matt Ryan, there is no way on this earth that you can watch both and come away with the idea that Matt Ryan is a superior prospect. The only thing he has on Beck is size. Beck has a better arm, is a better decision maker, is a more accurate passer, has better feet in the pocket, and has better overall awareness of the passing game than Matt Ryan.
     
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  28. like2god

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    I smell a bet on the horizon........

    Wouldn't that be foolish of him?

    Miami spends a 2nd round pick on a player, he only plays in a handfull of games without any sort of surrounding talent, and the Tuna just gives up on him. I don't see it. I think Beck will get a chance to compete next year with whatever vet is brought in, again this is a rebuilding team and we can be patient with Beck. His success or failure next year isn't going to make or break our season.

    Now, do I think that we will draft a QB at some point? Sure I do, Miami has been sniffing all around that Flacco kid. But that doesn't mean that Tuna and Co. are just going to throw away an asset without knowing how well he can perform.

    And I know you disagree with this, but Ireland did say that the Boys had a high opinion of Beck before the draft. I think that should count for something. The QB position is in no way settled (Beck is the only sure thing to return) but that doesn't mean that he isn't a part of the future.
     
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  29. padre31

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    There could be alot of inside the NFL type stuff going on lbm, Parcells against Belicheck for example, and J Jones might like a piece of that type of action.

    "If" the Cowboys trade up and pick up McF, and they win the Super Bowl, Jones will have gotten the "best" of his fmr employees in Ireland and Tuna and Co as well as potentially finding his own All Pro Rb in Dallas.

    Owners, some Owners are really peculiar, remember when Jones hired Barry Switzer more or less because he wanted it made plain that the Cowboys were good enough to win with a stiff of a HC and Jones didn't need jimmie johnson around to win it all?
     
  30. PhinGeneral

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    Yeah, that's the first thing that stuck out to me when Ireland said he had contacted Beck along with JT. I just don't think he makes that overture if they weren't seriously considering Beck as the long-term answer.
     
  31. adamprez2003

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    I dont understand what you mean by overrule everyone in the building? Everyone in the building is there by invitation of Bill. Everyone in the building is there because they either think like Bill or will roll over when Bill declares something. This is the Bill Parcells Show now. Good and Bad. Napolean was a humble man compared to Bill.

    Parcells prefers to run a variation of the Erhardt-Perkins system. Belichik did too before he fell in love with the spread. His three most important stats in terms of passing are sack percentage, yds per attempt and no penalties. It is a more vertical system than the one Cameron ran. Beck is more suited for a lateral based passing attack than a vertical one IMO. Its obvious he has very good accuracy in the short and intermediate game. His deep accuracy is the problem however. In college according to scouting reports and was a problem in his limited stint here. Parcells will look for a big tough QB who has deep accuracy. It makes sense. Different sysytem, different QB.

    I would also be amazed if there is one service or draft site that gave Beck a higher pre draft ranking than Ryan will have after the combine
     
  32. adamprez2003

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    Beck definitely has a future and deserves a chance to develop. It probably wont be here though. Expect him to hold the clipboard for a year and maybe we trade him in 2009. Maybe the Ravens would be interested now that Cameron is there?
     
  33. adamprez2003

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    Who's he going to reach out too on offense, Ted Ginn? First calls you make are always to the QB and the leader of the defense.
     
  34. Dtronic

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    Gee where have I heard that before????

    http://www.celtkin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2275
     
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  35. adamprez2003

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    You certainly have a point if you are considering what's best for the Dolphins and believe Beck is as good or better than Ryan, Brohm, Flacco, etc..The thing is, this isnt about what's best for the Dolphins per se. This is about what's best for Parcells. Would it have been better for the Dolphins to keep the offensive system in place and keep Cameron for another year? Who cares? There is no way Parcells is going to leave any remnants of the Cameron regime here. First the coaching staff and eventually the one or two reminders of the Cameron drafts will be gone. Ted Ginn could be an eventual casualty also although a WR has less face value than a QB.

    This isnt about what's right or fair exactly. This is about bringing in "your" guys
     
  36. KB21

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    I mean overrule everyone in the building because they don't share the same opinion as he does. I think it is obvious that Jeff Ireland likes John Beck, and I can understand why. I don't think Ireland is married to the idea that their quarterback has to be 6'5", 230+ lbs to be successful.

    Also, Bill Parcells was a big fan of Drew Brees as well, and Drew isn't the behemoth quarterback everyone assumes Parcells prefers.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2368304&type=story

     
  37. lbmclean_sj

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    there are 3 months for Sparano, Ireland and Lee to evaluate Beck v. Ryan/Brohm/Flacco/et al

    lets hope they are doing their due dilligence

    they didn't throw Green out with the bath water which is a good sign
     
  38. padre31

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    The hiring of Coaches who handled Drew Brees is also a sign of Parcells and Companies intentions.
     
  39. adamprez2003

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    Thank God, he might have gotten injured if they did.
     
  40. KB21

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    Another point I want to make is about the Erhardt-Perkings offensive system.

    Who is going to run that system in Miami?

    The offensive coordinator job has been offered to Pete Carmichael Jr. He has not been a part of the Erhardt-Perkins system. His offensive background comes from Gary Crowton's spread offense at Louisiana Tech., Cam Cameron's Coryell offense from San Diego, and Sean Payton's offense from New Orleans.

    Here's another connection in favor of John Beck. Gary Crowton and Pete Carmichael's past relationship. Crowton recruited John Beck to BYU and was his head coach during his first season as a starter.
     
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