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  1. slickj101

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    I could really care less about the stuff he said to Penn because he's an idiot too. I just stated it as another example.

    Like I said, when he hopped in ring to talk **** to Hughes in the manner he did was the dumbest thing I saw out of him.
     
  2. hammerbillsfan

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    I guess I'm biased.
    But it's nice to cheer for a champion for a change, all my other teams suck ****.
     
  3. TiP54

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    Maybe this is a poor example, but Eddie Roach?
    GSP was hyping fights, so was Eddie roach. lol. Difference is
    "If he fights us like a man, he will catch a knee to his mouth"
    But I think he was talking junk because he was trying to hype up the fight.
     
  4. TiP54

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    You can always join the darkside :wink2:
    I mean, you are here already, aren't ya? :tongue2:
     
  5. slickj101

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    lol Your sig tells that story.

    I'll cheer for Anderson Silva till he retires. That dude is exactly what a champion should be in every aspect IMO.

    Rashad Evans is also from my hometown so obviously I hope he keeps doing well.

    Thiago Alvez just impresses the hell out of me. Aside from missing weight that one time.
     
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  6. hammerbillsfan

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    UFC must put that in all their contracts.
     
  7. hammerbillsfan

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    :cry:
     
  8. TiP54

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    Can't you feel it? Its so close..al lyou need to do is accept..and jump in. This is a friendly site, im sure most guys will accept you :) But your case every now and then, but accept you :knucks:
     
  9. slickj101

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    There's def quite a few who don't though.

    I don't mind the **** talking. It just depends how it's done and who the opponent is and what their saying.
     
  10. TiP54

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    Top 3 in UFC IMHO is GSP, Silva and Evans. I think Mir's fight with Lesnar will say a lot about him.
    out of curiosity, what a champion is supposed to be like?
     
  11. slickj101

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    Like any of the 3 you just mentioned (Silva, Evans, maybe Mir) I wouldn't say Mir is on the same level as the rest of them, but he could be very soon.

    Silva is the best example IMO.

    Also, I don't think a real dominant champion or best in the UFC should ever lose to a guy like Matt Serra.
     
  12. PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN

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  13. TiP54

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    No, lol. I mean...describe what do you mean. Don't point at a guy "he is what a true champion" im wondering what qualities, in your mind "the dominant champion" has to have?

    And about Serra? Everybody has a punchers chance.
    I could say the same thing about "true dominant champions" not losing by flying scissor heel hooks :up:
     
  14. TiP54

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  15. slickj101

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    I just thought the Serra fight showed GSP's chin is pretty vulnerable. GSP does take quite a few chances and I won't be suprised at all if Alvez is the next to KO him.


    Dominant Champion- Can beat any kind of opponent (strikers, wrestlers, jujitsu or any combo of the 3), and do it in a dominant way like a KO or submission. Can move around in weight if needed and still not show any signs of it.

    The attitude is not really a necessity, but a bonus. Like I said, Anderson Silva, he gives all his opponents the upmost respect. But if someone disrespects him, that respect is immediately gone.
     
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  17. TiP54

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    I don't think it not so much vulnerable, just (im not a GSP fan, Fedor :)) the matter of being hit at the right place at the right time. People say they dont believe in "lucky" swings. I do. Not every punch is calculated, even though every single punch thrown is for one purpose, and one purpose only. To knock out your opponent. Again, matter of opinion. tnx for the "champ"definition.
     
  18. slickj101

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    I think he has a prob with powerful guys who can strike calculated. Hughes broke him up a little, Penn tore his face apart (and Penn isnt a huge puncher), Serra KOed him.

    Like I said, I think Alvez has the tools to win that fight. If Thiago fights smart, I think he wins.
     
  19. TiP54

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    Having tools is one thing. Using them is another. I do agree, if anything, his best chance of losing is getting KOd. With that being said, he became alot better since Serra fight.
     
  20. slickj101

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    I don't think GSP has ever fought anyone in as good of shape as he is, Alvez looks like he's in GSP type shape and might have more power. Alvez just needs to stay off his back and he'll be ok.
     
  21. TiP54

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    That is something that is easier said than done. BJ was supposed to have one of the best take down defenses...we all saw how that worked out.
     
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  22. slickj101

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    The best take down defense is nothing if your not in proper condition.

    Alvez looks like he trains his *** off.
     
  23. TiP54

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    im assuming GSPs gamplan would be GnP to a TKO or a UD.
     
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    After that performance - BJ has some explaining to do. Taking nothing away from GSP but BJ had nothing last night after the 1st round. He looked out of it and disinterested. Like his will had been broken.
     
  25. SICK

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    he probably had a concussion......
     
  26. Sethdaddy8

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    BJs gettin old (fight career wise). he's been fighting at a high level for a long time. plus he fought the cream of a higher weight class. lets see how GSP would fare against Anderson Silva.
     
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  27. unluckyluciano

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    exactly but how many pounds did bj move up?
     
  28. TiP54

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    I dont think its called "moving up" Its "not losing weight" so he wouldnt have t ofight GSP and other guys his weight.
     
  29. Sethdaddy8

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    huh? BJ Penn is the 155 lb(lightweight) champion. thats his division, his weight class. GSP is the 170 lb champ. so BJ moved up to fight him...regardless of how much weight either fighter did or did not have to cut. he moved up to fight a guy bigger than his current weight class.
     
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  30. Sethdaddy8

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  31. TiP54

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    He didn't "gain weight" to fight GSP. BJ just didn't cut. He moved up the weight class that he usually fights in. None of this would of happened if BJ woln't call GSP out to begin with.

    and here we go...
    http://www.fightopinion.com/?pp_album=main&pp_cat=Bear+Pit+Japan
    http://mmafrenzy.com/9273/penn-files-complaint-over-vaseline-on-st-pierres-back/

    I didint believe that BJ would let it go without complaining about something :))


    some more of the same old
    http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/88893-rumor-affliction-is-done

    More rumors of affliction closing. Truth, rumors? Who knows. Either one is a possibility.
     
  32. Nappy Roots

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    he has something with the vasoline thing. he kept sliding right down GSP. and yes he did "move up". it doesnt matter what he walks around at, he fights at 155. if GSP wanted to he could walk around at 185, so there is still a big difference in size. i knew the size would be to much
     
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  33. TiP54

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    Vaseline thing happened for one round. Did it have some impact? Im sure. There was no "guard" in that conversation. It helped GSP manhandle it. Does it ultimately change the outcome of the fight? Doubt it. And yeah, I guess you are right about "moving up". Matter of fact, I think GSP DOES walk around at 185. I really hope he fights Silva later in the year. I really think BJ had it coming. He called GSP out, then he talked down to GSP, and in the end he got his *** handed to him. BJ is great, no doubt. But 155 is his boundary.
     
  34. Nappy Roots

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    id agree, it might not have changed the outcome of the fight, but still. its the fact that it happend....

    GSP-Silva would be a monster fight. whats the UFC waiting for?
     
  35. TiP54

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    1) Title defense for GSP and Silva's next fight.

    2) Hype. After those two win their next fights (if) im sure they will be doing a lot of public "Should we, or should we not" sorta thing. In the end it will come through, and im hoping to see the fight sometime in fall perhaps?
     
  36. charlestonphan

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    i'm sure they are also waiting to see if the economy starts to turn around. this would be a mega fight, and get great ppv buy rates, so they want to maximize that potential. less people are likely to pay for the fight with things as they are now.

    plus they just had the huge Couture/Lesnar fight, and it doesn't make good business sense to put a fight like GSP/Silva on close on it's heels.

    of course, by pushing it back, they run the risk of either participant getting KO'd by a lucky shot in their next fight, taking the shine off of that matchup.
     
  37. TiP54

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    Well, bottom line it's a business. You do have a point about the economy. And the thing about them getting KO'd, well I guess it's a chance Zuffa has to take. Im just not sure how serious Dana is about letting this fight happen. If he truly wants to do this, Im pretty sure they both will fight their next scheduled fights, and thats it. Then they will start the "pre hype" Hell, this already might be the "pre-hype"
     
  38. Sethdaddy8

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    i think it hurts the UFC to have inter-division champs fighting eachother on a regular basis. say GSP actually beat Silva...whats that say for franklin, hendo, and everyone else? does GSP then start fighting 185ers? if the bigger guy loses, its like he's a lame duck. theres enough talent out there to get fresh faces in their own class.
     
  39. Muck

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    I'd be nice if GSP fought Silva, but I don't think it'd be a great fight to be honest. I think Silva would tear him up.

    Talk about a bigger man, Silva walks around 30 pounds heavier than GSP does. I wish Silva would just move up to 205.

    As for GSP, one potential opponent is Thiago Alves. That guy looked like a beast against Koscheck, though Josh took the fight on short notice.

    Rumble Johnson looks like another down the road. He's fighting here in Tampa on Saturday night against Fioravanti (UFC Fight Night). Unfortunately they scheduled it during Gasparilla. So outlook = unlikely. :lol:

    I am going to see Joe Rogan at the Improv tonight though. :)
     
  40. Muck

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    I'm about 50 feet from the octagon right now. Scalped tickets in the parking lot for half price. hopefully we get a good show!
     
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