Tim Tebow

I think Tebow is one of the most fascinating draft prospects I've ever seen. I'm prepared for anything with him, from "cut in training camp" to "10 time All Pro QB". His delivery needs (a lot of) work, but he's got a good enough arm, he's got a good head on his shoulders, and is certainly plenty athletic. But he's way too big to play running back, and I don't think he has the quickness to play WR. He's got the body of a tight end, really, but you can probably count the number of blocks he's thrown on one hand.

I like everything you said, except for the term "x-factor". I hate that term. An x-factor, by definition, is undefinable. And yet, I digress...

White in round 3 or 4 would be something I'm not at all opposed to. Maybe he'd be the new "Slash", before Kordell Stewart got a big head and figured he could be a full time QB. However, White strikes me as something of a luxury pick for a front office that I think is still going to be looking for the proverbial meat and potatoes picks in this draft. I personally expect another draft that's heavy with front seven defenders and offensive linemen, and light on flash and dash.

 

Tebow isn't quick enough to run the "wildcat"

He would get rocked quick.

 

He'll get rocked period. No matter what he runs. Grossman jr..........

 

Kinda looks like him too

 

Well we all know he's not going to run a 4.4 and it really doesn't matter if he run's under a 4.7 cuzz he doesn't play that fast.

In 06 i wasn't sold on him at all but after last year and this year........wow............ i think if a team drafts him and lets him play QB the way he wants "that means him playing with the gator's playbook" then i think he'll do just fine in the nfl.

For the life of me, i don't know why any one wouldn't want that cuzz the guy is awesome to watch play.

 

Because NFL defenses are too good for that playbook to work, especially with Tebow back there considering his mechanics/footwork/long delivery.

You can't out-athlete people in the NFL for a majority of the season.

 

He's not an athlete compared to some of the guys he will be facing, which is the problem. The first time he tries to run over Shawne Merriman, or someone like that he's going to end up flat on his back counting little birdies.

 

I meant you can't out-athlete people in regards to the teammates he has at Florida.

 

Well we'll only know if a team drafts him and lets him do what he does.

I find it hard to believe a dolfan would say anything about a center kind of playbook not working when we use "The Wildcat "lol.

He could take a step like he's going to run every play just like he does now, and even if he only ran it 3 or 5 times a game it would still mess with the DL mind and buy him more time to look down the field.

As far as his mechanics/footwork/long delivery.......you could say that about just about any QB coming out of college, but i don't see the footwork or long delivery,,,,, i do see his mechanics being a prb but every QB can get better in some part of their game.

He has a better completion percentage then Matt Ryan did and Matthew Stafford has.That's really all i need to know about his mechanics,footwork and delivery.

anyways like i said we won't know tell a team drafts him and let's him play his game so there is really no point in going back in forth so I'll agree to disagree.

 

My normal sarcastic reply to this would get me in trouble, so I will merely say I am glad you are not a scout for the dolphins.

 

Also, the wildcat is merely one package in our playbook, you want whatever team drafts Tebow to have him run Florida's playbook. That is a HUGE jump from a package to a playbook, like 30 plays versus 150+ plays.

 

Come on bro don't wimp out, lol

If i was a Scout i'd place a 3 round grade on Tim, and not want him to start for 2 or 3 years.

But since we have the Chad's i would only take him in the 4th or 5th round.

 

I don't think you'll get this but my point is the wildcat works, it doesn't matter how lil or how much they use it, it works.

LOL you think we only have 150 plays in are play book, Thanks man, i needed that.

 

I thought/think most college teams average around 150 offensive plays in their playbook, yes.

 

Boomer, is a guy like Tebow the sort who can switch over to play Safety in the NFL? Scott Frost did it with mixed success for the Jets, but it has been done successfully before.

As for Tebow the Qb, he is sort of like Vince Young, without the quick read ability..

 

I realize this post is directed to Boomer but Tebow would have a lot to learn. He would also be too slow for a Safety, no? Especially if he runs in the 4.7.

And the elusiveness IMO.

 

I'm a bit bias, but I think the bolded ones are better prospects as of right now.

 

That is the sort of thing that will have to wait for the Combine though Alen, anyone who would take a shot at drafting him and moving him is not going to spend a high pick anyway.

Or Young's computer like ability to dissect a defense and hit the open man..

 

Your right, we will have to see. Watching him though, I don't know about him moving to Safety. He's not exactly quick nor is he fast. The problem is that he's going to be playing a new position if he moves there, as Boom just said. Your going to be asking him to do several new things which is difficult. He played LB for one year at a Christian Academy but that's about it as far as playing defense. Who knows if he was just asked to run downhill and get to the QB at that time.

 

Well, for myself, I'd not draft a Florida Qb with the offense they run, they are too far behind the learning curve that a NFL offense requires (which to me is also one of John Beck's problems).

To me, if he isn't drafted with the intention to move him, he may not be drafted, or he may be a throwaway draft pick..harsh but true..

 

No offense to Gator fans but I wouldn't touch a Gator QB. I'm not big on Tebow but he'll be drafted. I think a GM will take a chance on him, for sure. Question is, how early does he go? I read Peter Kings take on Tebow this morning on SI.com and he said around the league circles, some OC's are high on him as an NFL QB. I wouldn't take him before the late second or third round, if that but some feel different about that.

Problem is that I thought about him possibly moving to TE or FB. I don't know if he could do that either. I mean,your going to ask him to run routes at TE and then catch the ball as well as protect in pass and run plays at FB. Can he do that? Honestly, I'm not sure and I'm not being bias here because I hope he succeeds. He's a great character, he's very intelligent but I am not high on him.

 

Can you believe he doesn't grip the ball by the laces and can still gun it like he does?

 

No joke. I am a big LeFevour fan, but I have been far more impressed this year with Davis (to be fair Dan has been injured). I thought he was good when I got to see him at Akron, but I really thought he stepped up this year (especially considering their best offensive player was lost at Indiana).

Tim Hiller looks like he might have a good chance in the league too IMO.

 

NFL offensive coaches raved about Tim.

Ravens-Steelers will be brutal; Tebow will be an NFL QB - Peter King - SI.com

 

Post 105 and 106.............lol

Nice, time for me to stop posting in this thread.

 

Very risky but overall feels more comfortable.

 

Good points. There's no equation that good footwork and mechanics equals NFL success. The same goes for big arms- take your pick, Jim Druckenmiller, Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf, Andre Ware, Chuck Long, etcetera, ectetera, etcetera. Ken O'Brien, Todd Blackledge, Tony Eason in 1983 all had good qualities as well and were taken ahead of Marino and yet they paled in comparison- where was the magic formula back then? A virtual wasteland of failed QB's. Did they fail because they lacked NFL arms and good footwork? Footwork? Please.

All this focusing on the relatively small stuff- I could give a rat's ***. So Tebow operates out of the shotgun a lot- big deal. Doesn't Sam Bradford as well? Where are the critics on this board saying that Bradford will fail because he can't learn and adapt to playing more under center? Brother please.

I watch Tebow and I see a big, mobile QB with maybe unparalleled intangibles, a solid arm in my estimation- at least solid enough and a delivery that's not nearly as bad as some claim- and a pure winner. Like he can't be taught better footwork- sure, whatever.

There's no magic formula, no matter what bs you may hear- about studies showing who will fail or succeed based upon things like footwork. He's a smart kid, he'll learn. The question is do you focus on the big stuff or relatively minor details? If there were a tennis draft years ago by I could see it now: Bjorn Borg- "well, I like the guy, but he doesn't have a killer serve. His volleying sucks, too- I wouldn't touch him until the 4th round."

We'll find out in a few months what the real pro scouts, not the basement wannabees, think about Tim Tebow and his pro potential.

 

p.s. There's always a flip side, and I'm not one to say that I'm right and others are wrong. I just give my opinion and I've been wrong plenty of times before, enough that I've learned not to be so sure of myself. I just think that Tebow is underrated and can make it as a pro QB- as always, just an online opinion. Nonetheless, here's the opinion of Scott Wright from Draft Countdown, and it isn't pretty:

Draft Countdown - Ask Scott | 12/10/08

 

be nice fella's.. no need to get all rammy here.

 

To put in in perspective, I think that Tebow is a damn good player and has a good shot in the NFL as a QB- but the word that comes to mind when watching McCoy and Harrell is "wow". McCoy had a ton of touchdowns, a completion percentage around 80%, and has some serious wheels on him- impressive to say the least. He throws well on the move and he snaps out a good, crisp throw. Harrell- I look at him and see a lot of the same things. I'm curious to see where he goes, and he could be a 2nd-4th round steal. Bradford- he has more yards and TD's than any of them and is a stud. I wnat to watch him closely against the Gators. I think that McCoy stands out the most for me and Harrell might end up being the steal of the litter.

 

I have no problem with that. Whatever happens with Tebow, from where he's drafted to how he does in the pros- is going to be interesting. I think that he'll live and die as a Quarterback- I don't see a move to FB or TE in the cards.