Please! Give it a couple of seasons before we revisit this question. This is waaaaay to premature. Quinn dinked and dunked all night and they lost the game, so to say this question is way too premature would be an understatement.
you weren't here, so there is no way for you to know, but we have beat this horse to death for years. Ginn would have gone within two picks, we did the right thing, imo.
Bottom line is I love where we are at as a team right now, and I have alot of faith in Henne for the future. Wouldnt change a thing.
Ginn wasnt going any lower than the texans at No 10, they even said they were pissed that the dolphins picked the man they were targeting Besides, Quinn has this rating mainly because Cribbs and the running game were killing the bonkoes and that winslow made plays with his feet after the 3 yards catches turning them into 10-12-20 yarders
This argument is tired and old for one reason: We've been debating this issue for two years now with absolutely ZERO information on Brady Quinn. So now he's played a game against a crappy defense and people think they can objectively evaluate him? No way. But that's my opinion, and this is a discussion board, so if you wanna engage in this debate, please don't think I want you to stop.
Regardless of the names involved, I still say it is a dumb way to build a team, picking the WR first when you need both that position and a QB. Whether or not it all turns out great is really irrelevant. It was betting on a hard eight when you should have just bet the pass line.
You lost me at we could have had Ginn in the 2nd or 3rd round. No Way No how. Also: We dont need a QB, we are more than fine there. Boy does that feel good to say.
We need to get over this we are not getting Brady Quinn so we need to stop wishing we would have draftted him and be thankful we have Ted Ginn Jr. and plus Ted Ginn Jr. has been doing good the past few weeks.
Anyone even debating who the better pick would've been is out of their mind. Quinn, people. Quinn. Was on draft day, still is today. Ginn is nothing more than an Eddie Kennison.
Its too early to tell which was the better choice.You cant judge from last nights game . Despite his high passer rating Quinns passes were all short and even those looked very Feidler like ....wounded ducks.
Hasn't lost as in his team won? Or hasn't lost as in he didnt do anything to lose it? Denver did win that game last night btw...
I'm assuming you mean the loss last night wasn't his fault, and you would be correct it was not. He made the plays, its not his fault Winslow dropped the ball twice in the 4th. But record wise he is 0-1 and a starter. Part of being a QB is taking the bad and the good. The defense has GOT to start shutting teams down for the O to win games. As for the revisit to this topic, its a null and void issue. This is Quinn's first real showing as a pro against a Denver team that has struggled greatly this year. Ginn's #s have improved this year and while still may never be worth the #9 pick we took him for looks to be in line with being a valuable receiver and return man.
Man this is a worn out debate. If Quinn had been picked and he struggled and was thrown to the wolves like Beck was on a bad team the same things would be being said about Quinn as are being said about Beck this year. Ginn is a Miami Dolphin and Quinn is a Cleveland Brown and yet some Dolphin fans want to praise a Browns player and ridicule a Dolphins player, something sounds wrong about that idea. The man or men who made that decision are gone so we might as well accept that Ginn belongs to us and Quinn doesn't, right or wrong. Whats really sad is Ginn is doing everything that is being asked of him but he can't make them throw the ball to him, so he can only do what they allow him to do. And yes, I wanted Quinn instead of Ginn, but what was done is done and no amount of wishing or speculating will change that. I refuse to root for Quinn and against Ginn just because I want Ginn over Quinn to be wrong.
I am over it... Did you not read my original post? I said all we can do is move forward. As far as your logic goes, it's without context.
you can't honestly say Quinn would of turned into Beck. None of us can say that. Wow, from all the negative comments on the OP bringing this up. i would expect this from another ****ty site, to paraphase Aqua. Where in the ToS does it say we can't compare players we wished we would of picked instead of the player we actually did picked? Please show me that, because I would like to see that. What the hell does rooting for Quinn and not Ginn have anything to do with this debate?
I'm sorry, I dont understand why you quoted my post ,or put the one statement in Bold, can you elaborate please? I didnt think I bashed either player whatsoever. I like the production that Ginn has given us so far this yr.
I'm still not sold. I liked Quinn very much coming out of college - figured he was about as "bust-proof" as it gets. Seeing him play well last night kind of irks me. BUT - if Henne works out in the long run, then I'll consider it ultimately the right decision. Oh, and Ginn needs to do more at some point too. He's getting close, but he really needs to produce to make this OK in my eyes. Good QBs only come around so often. Look how long it took us to find a decent guy, and it happened by complete accident. And - unfortunately - he's 32 years old. I like Henne a lot, don't get me wrong. I think we'll be OK. All I'm saying is ..... we BETTER be OK! Either that, or Quinn has to fall flat on his face
I see your point, but to me - it could end up like being a Jets fan in, say, 1985, looking at Dan Marino on one sideline, and Ken O'Brien on the other. THAT wouldn't irk you if you were a Jets fan, knowing you had him in your sights, and passed?? I know it's a crap shoot, and hind-sight is 20/20, so you have to take that into consideration here of course. But I guess - to me at least - I think Quinn is the next great QB in the NFL. Obviously, RandyCam didn't think so, and I'm just some dumb fan w/ an opinion. But that's how I saw it, and that's why I still harbor bad feelings about the whole situation. It just seemed like he would be the perfect QB and we - willingly - let him slip through our hands.
It's never been about Ginn vs Brady Quinn for me. It was, and will always be, Ginn vs Patrick Willis. That is the pick that will haunt us more. Ginn still has the potential for greatness or at least "very-good-ness" but Willis is already beyond "potential" status. He is already a Pro Bowl player and he's probably heading to Hawaii again this year. If Willis continues at this pace the Hall of Fame will eventually come up whenever he is mentioned.
You don't think that had something to do with Anderson's contract? Quinn looked good last night. He definitely did not lose the game for the Browns.
+1 Was ready to post something similar about it never being about Quinn for me, and I emphasize 'Never," until I got to your post. Can't believe it took 7 pages for Willis to surface. Will I be happy seeing BQ do well? Probably not - but that's just human nature.
these two post were the ones i was hoping to read when i first started to read this thread instead of the junk that i have been reading from other negative posters about this subject. thanks for bringing up Willis. I'm more irked about passing on Willis than on Quinn.
It wasn't just Cameron and Mueller. There wer alot of teams who didn't like something about Quinn, and word on the street is that something was accuracy beyond the short routes. So far, that's about all he's hit. For Quinn to prove the doubters wrong, he's going to have to do more than dump off to TEs and backs. He'll be tested soon enough, and we'll see. It's as unfair to heap turds onto Quinn if he comes out and lays an egg his first game and call him a bust as it is rediculous to start heaping praise on him by calling him the next great QB because he had a good outing. Time will tell soon enough. Beyond that, at some point we've got to let this Quinn thing go. I was as shocked as anyone when we didn't pick him, but I was equally shocked that nobody else did until the 23rd pick either. Maybe he turns out to be the next Dan Marino, but really, what are the odds? We're arguing over milk that got spilled on linoleum flooring; let's mop it up already and move on with eating our cookies before they get stale.
The idea was that getting Ginn + Beck (the target) would be better than getting Quinn + any second round receiver. Turned out to be more of a Ginn for Quinn straight up sorta deal, though I haven;t given up on John Beck being a success long-term in the NFL. Chances are it won't be with this team, imo, since we probably won't pay a 2nd round pick to be #3 on the depth chart for several years. I still think Beck could grow into a Trent Green or Drew Brees type over a few years. The problem for John Beck is that he is going to be pushing 30 by the time that happens.
No, I dont think it was about contract at all. They had every chance to move Anderson and chose not to. They also arent in a position as coaches to play the player that isnt as good due to a contract. Quinn hasnt even been a starter. He also wouldnt be starting in Miami right now.
Well, I think Henne could be the next Big Ben. So we could potentially have 3 franchise QBs on our roster.
lol........ get used to it. this man has many more threads to start that totally beat the horse to oblivian....
I apologize if this has been covered as I didn't read the entire thread. - I find it laughable that people still think Ginn is a more valuable player in the NFL than Brady Quinn. Quinn has shown more potential in his very limited NFL action than Ginn has in his full 1 1/2 seasons, IMHO. - That being said, I'm still thrilled to have Ted Ginn on our team because I think he can still be a great WR for us. - Also, if we did draft Brady Quinn, it's not out of the question that we could have won 2 - 3 more games last year. Then we would probably still be stuck with Cam and Randy Mueller and we wouldn't have Parcells, Ireland, Sparano and all the great players they have brought in. THEREFORE [drumroll please] Ted Ginn < Brady Quinn < Parcells, Ireland, Sparano and your 2009 Miami Dolphins. We still win. So I say thank you CamRam for ****ing up the draft.
Toss Ginn out of the window - Henne is the prize in this little bingo game that we have. Henne > Quinn
I hope you're right, but Henne hasn't seen enough action to prove that yet. We have seen enough at this point out of Ginn and Quinn to make some observations about how they stack up.
