How will the BCS standings shape up?

But if Penn St. Makes it into the Championship game, then another Big Televen team has to be in the Rose Bowl, and that means a real football team (either a Big 12 or SEC) will get left out. Then you'll have another terrible Rose Bowl where Ohio St will get absolutely rolled by USC yet again this year, in a game NO ONE WANTS TO SEE AGAIN.

It was bad the 1st time, and will be no different the 2nd time.

And.......what galls me the worst, is the Big Televen gets 2 shares of BCS money, when they barely deserve 1.

 

Because we've seen two Ohio St blowouts in a row, and we don't like seeing another Big Televen team get an automatic NC shot, while other teams have to actually play good teams in order to get in.

I wish the NCAA would set rules that you HAVE to play a Conference Championship game to qualify for the NC game. If the Pac-10 and Big Televen don't want to comply, then they can just play in their (antiquated) Rose Bowl, and leave the Championships to the real college football conferences. Also that would have the effect of nuetering Notre Lame, which is fine by me

 

A Big Ten team doesn't have to go to the rose bowl, especially if one is in the NC. If there is no Big Ten team in the top 12, other than psu, some other conference will play in the rose bowl I'm pretty sure.

 

Penn State is not Ohio State. You can't just say it is going to be a blowout just because the team is from the Big Ten. Not to mention that it is not automatic, they have to win all their games. If Bama and TT win out, they are the ones who are in. How is that automatic?

And if in order to be a "real college football conference" you need to play a conference championship game, then I don't want to see you taking shots at the MAC any more. They play a conference championship.

 

Honestly, I bet that bothers most college football fans the least. Most fans don't care about the money, they just want to see their team play in a big bowl (if they can't play in the NC).

I mean seriously, what BCS conferences are hurting for money?

 

On Mike & Mike just now, Golic mentioned "the scenario to worry about is what if Florida beats Alabama in the SEC championship, will they be able to jump an undefeated PSU or a 1 loss Big 12?"

Greeny mentions how PSU is just going to be sitting back watching the other big schools in their conference championships and said "The reality is, the Big 10 stinks"

I was smiling a mile wide.

 

You know, I always thought Ohio State fans were bad, but there are some pretty whiny SEC (read: Florida) fans out there too apparently.

I will be the first to admit that as a whole, the Big Ten is definitely below Big XII (4 top quality teams) and SEC (maybe 3 top quality teams) as far as quality teams go. That doesn't preclude them from having one of the top 3 teams in the country though. If Bama and TT win out (I want TT to win out btw), I would have no problem with them being in the NC (both are undefeated and have looked pretty damn impressive). I would just complain about the lack of a playoff for another year, just like JoePa wants to see.

If a one-loss team gets in ahead of any undefeated team from a BCS conference though, that is pretty shady. You are basically punishing the players and coaches when you do that, since all they can do is go line-up and play ball against who they have on their schedule.

 

If Ohio St finishes the year by winning its remaining games they will be in the top 12, and probably 10 or 9. And then we have to be subjected to USC beating the crap out of Ohio St YET AGAIN in the UnRosy Bowl.

And for everyone beating their chests for a playoff, that won't even settle everything, and it WON'T be more fair.

Unless every team in the NCAA played every other team, on a home/away series, you don't get a TRUE champion. Just randomly taking 4 teams (who determines that ?) or even 8 teams (still who determines that ?) and playing them won't give us a true champion. And so if you have 2 teams in the top 8 and if its a 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5.....what if the two have already played twice (regular season and conf champ game) and one team won both games ? They then have to play a 3rd game ? WHY ? That is no solution either.

 

You know, Big 10 fans are the biggest idiots I have ever come across. Only they can justify a team making it to the NC game without playing any quality teams all year long.

If going undefeated is such a big deal, then why isn't Boise st or Ball st given any credit for getting into the NC game?

 

I wasn't directing that towards you at all Maj(despite lambasting "Big 10 fans"). "Someone" just made a post about SEC fans being whiners and about how we need to bow down and respect an undefeated Big 10 team.

I don't see that same person arguing for Ball st or Boise st though, kind of interesting.

Also, why are people so quick to call a controversy simply "crying or whining"? I guess there isn't supposed to be any dissent or the thought police will getcha.

 

While I agree that would suck for the players... the coaches typically have some say with their AD on making their own out of conference schedule. For example, at least OSU scheduled a good non conf game. Who did PSU schedule? Temple? Coastal Carolina? Syracuse? and Oregon State? I know these are made sometimes a few years in advance, but when your conference is not that strong you need to schedule some tough games.

Does that mean they are not a great team? NO not by any means. Heck some of the UM teams that ran through the Big East (a few years back) were still really solid teams, even though their conference opponents were not. However, even those teams played FSU (out of conference at the time) and VT. Both were typically top 10 teams.

Anyway, I got sidetracked... I am not sure where I am on putting a one loss team over an undefeated one. I totally agree that it is not right to the team getting jumped. However, in this case I think there are a few (Texas, Oklahoma, UF, and maybe USC) one loss teams that are better than PSU. Truthfully the only real solution is to have at least an "and one" game. However, I think with that you need to force all teams participating to have a conf championship and make it a requirement to be in the and one you have to win your conf champ. JMO.

 

Just to comment on the Rose Bowl issue. I doubt they'd invite OSU to play USC again tbh. If the top team in the Big Ten, or Pac 10, is in the championship game the Rose Bowl is allowed to take a team from a different conference. It might piss some people off that the Rose Bowl is going against the Big Ten/Pac 10 matchup, but they'd be justified in doing so because their top pick (PSU) is in the title game. Meaning you'd probably get Texas or TT vs USC.

 

PSU did crush Oregon State.

 

When did I mention bowing down or even doing it to an undefeated big ten team? I said any undefeated team from a BCS conference should not get passed by a 1-loss team for the NC game.

Go to the other site and look at my posts the last time Boise State went undefeated.

As for Ball State, I am the only person on this site who doesn't talk down the MAC.

When Ball State or Boise State are the only undefeated teams, I will definitely say they should get a shot at the NC.

Because you aren't even in a position to complain yet, because PSU is #3 and Florida still has to win all their games too to even have a chance at the NC. If TT was #3, and one of their fans complained, I would have no problem with them doing so.

 

If Boise State and/or Utah finish high enough they can take away at-large bids from other conferences. So if OSU is between 10-12, they might not get in, let alone to the Rose Bowl.

 

Yes they did and they have beaten every team on their schedule by 2 tds (except OSU). But how many of those teams are really that good? OSU, IMO is the only one even top 20 material.

Not trying to take away from going undefeated. Truly an amazing feat. However, there should be some penalty for playing such a mediocre schedule. Especially when there is NO conf championship. Because if there is no penalty for it, you will keep having teams play those crappy schedules just to get into the NC.

 

I would say Florida has not played the kind of schedule people wanna believe....I mean other than LSU and Georgia its not all that impresive and LSU has looked pretty average for their standards. Was beating the 'U' that big of a win?

The SEC is not as good as they have been looking kind of top heavy with Bama and UF. Its still a good conference but the Big 12 is hands down having the better year IMO.

That being said UF runs the table and Bama is undefeated going in there becomes some reasonable arguement for Florida overtaking Texas. I think Tech loses to Oklahoma next week wich really will shake things up and maybe even put Oklahoma as the best one loss team...but what about Texas who would have only one loss?? Its gonna be fun!

 

I do not disagree. However, I was talking about Penn State. Not Texas. I would put the SEC and the UF schedule up against Penn States ANY DAY. Put it this way, if PSU was playing UFs schedule and UF played PSUs... I bet UF would not have a loss and PSU would have at least one, but I'd guess 2 losses.

 

penn will win out imo......florida takes care of buisness, beats a undefeated bama team (in the sec game) and texas tech loses......it will be fla/penn st NC Game !!!

 

1st, a lot of "top" programs have ****ty OOC games.

2nd, I only mentioned Oregon State because you put USC as a really good 1-loss team, and Oregon State beat USC.

3rd, I don't disagree with the bold sentence. (and you can check my posts, I said when PSU was first in the top ten that I didn't like seeing them there because they hadn't beat anybody. I said if they beat OSU, then I will be a little more comfortable with it. You will never see me say (with any certainty) that PSU is better than Bama or TT (unless they actually play and win), or that they deserve to be in the NC more than those two teams (until either one loses a game)).

 

I would agree that it is unlikely if the roles were reversed that Florida would have a loss.

However, to say PSU would have one or even two losses right now, I don't see it. Could it happen? Sure. I'd say two losses would be pretty unlikely. On the field JoePa runs a pretty tight ship, and unlike Georgia/LSU (IMO) are not as prone to the mental mistakes that could do a team in during a tight game (which I think they would be tight games).

I will say that I do not think Penn State would have any losses right now if they played Florida's schedule, but I will definitely say that I would find it unlikely that their wins would look as impressive (from a final score standpoint) as Florida's currently do.

I don't know how often Meyer let's the back-ups play, but I would say that Clark and many of the skill players on offense (starters) for PSU have played less than (or right around) 75/80% of the snaps possible. So scores could be a lot worse looking if they did but then again comes the argument, how good is the oppenent if they lose that badly? So it is kind of double-edged. I won't say Florida lucked out (because that would be the wrong word choice), but it was very beneficial that two of their "best" wins (strongest showings from both sides of the ball) came against teams (LSU/Georgia) that are/were perceived to be very good. While PSU can only boast 1 win against such an opponent, and while it was impressive (given the circumstances), it does not look as impressive because of not only the score, but also because OSu already had a chink in the armor (loss to USC).

The whole ranking system is essentially perception, and while computer rankings try and remove some of that "user error," playoff is really the only way to get it as close as possible to a true national champion.

 

All good points. Side note: love the fact we are having a rational intelligent debate. Which does not always happen in this particular forum.

Meyer does play the back ups quite a bit. Even against UGA and LSU the 2nd and 3rd stringers were in the whole 4th quarter. The score looks impressive because even those backups are still scoring. UF is just stacked with talent.

Maybe 2 losses is a bit of a stretch, but I truthfully have not been impressed by PSU. Their only big game was only 13-6 (or something like that)? I mean one mistake and they are tied. I think against UGA, LSU, UM, or even Ole Miss those games would be a lot tougher than everyone PSU has faced EXCEPT Osu. Maybe PSU would be unscathed through those opponents. Not sure. I'd just love to see them play more competition to see how good they really are.

I totally agree we desperately NEED a playoff. Only real way to know who is best.

 

Blowout of Epic proportions if that happens.

 

ummm yeah. FL big!!!!

 

Kinda sounds like Hurricanes fans in 02 and Buckeye fans in 06 huh???

Dont let your arrogance get the best of ya, crow is a meal best served cold!!

 

I was hoping one of the Florida fans would recognize the connection.

I am just as glad you can point it out though.

 

I actually predicted the Buckeyes would get blown out in 06

 

One word Stiches, speed....

 

I must've missed Ole Miss' track stars beating Florida's.

 

Just the popular thing to say Maj.

 

you guys realize that usc doesnt get to control their destiny to the rose bowl? if oregon state wins out then they are in the rose bowl. its most def possible they win out, i think oregon state is a very good team. should have only 2 losses. they had it won in utah if it wasnt for a horrible call.