Look, if this is how you view it then that's fine. I certainly do see your point. You're not about stiffing your server or belittling what they do, you just feel a "cap" is in order considering the only difference in the tip here is the difference in the price of food your ordering. If you're still giving them a tip that's something. I always give at least 15% but to each his own as long as you do tip them something decent IF you got good service. The posts I thought were shallow and pathetic were the few on here belittling what these folks do for a living.
well, I have friends who have been in the waiter/waitress business, so based on the stories they tell me, I try not to piss off people who handle my food in places I frequently eat. But don't get me wrong, I will always tip more to the busting *** types then I will to the lazy, rude types. But no matter what, I just feel bad leaving people poor tips...whether they deserve it or not.
This day and age I find service is generally getting worse, at least around here. All I want is for you to keep my drink filled (Ill go through 2-3 cups), and dammit, BRING ME MY DAMN CHECK! It seems half the places I go to it takes 20 minutes after we finish eating to get the damn check. I want to leave! If I sit around for awhile and finally have to demand the check, your getting cut. Other than that, I tip fairly well. Standard to above average. But if you slack off and dont pay attention ill drop it a little. The things that REALLY piss me off is when a waiter will dote on another table, but wont do anything for you but take your order and (maybe) drop your food off (often have a kitchen staff drop it). That gets you zilch. I also hate automatic tips. I wont eat anywhere there is an auto tip included, though I make exceptions for large parties. But ****ty service for that and Im calling a manager. And if I wait for more than 10 minutes after im (obviously) done eating for you to bring the check, you tip goes down exponentially. Really, I expect any tip based staff to earn it. Im fairly generous and leniant. I dont demand you stopping every five minutes to check up on me, and I understand you can be busy or the kitchen is slow in cooking the food. But dont ignore me or brush me off or you get the 0 with a - through it. Generally, 2 crappy services and its a looooooooong time before I eat somewhere again.
you think workin with people is tough.....i think being on a ladder with a drill and a level and a shutter its 110 degrees is harder..... its a matter of opinion..... I have done both.....i don't care about working with people I got great people skills great personality and I don't take **** personal...... I'd take a woman with a shoe up her *** complaining about my service over sunburn and concrete dust in my eyes......but its my preference.... I respect them.....i waited tables....but I-M-O....its not a "hard" job
Please... This is such BS it's unreal. Show me the person that dosen't maximize deductions to protect income from taxation. This post is hysterical. You wan't to get mad a people about hiding income? Go look into corp. execs that are making millions and using all sorts of tricks to hide income. In addition, servers in many situaitions get "tagged" a tax on expected tip levels that they will recieve. I worked in a bar during college and I was taxed on expected tip income. If I didn't make those tips it didn't matter, I was tagged anyway. LMAO at some of you all bent out of shape at servers expecting tips if they do a good job.
read every post before you become "danny defender" I said multiple times.....tips imo are earned.....i get good service...i tip very well....i get bad service....same situation....
First of all that's why I choose to work for salary because some days I work 4 hours some days I work 14 hours but I get paid the same and I know exactly what's coming at the end of the week and that's the way I like it. Let me put it in another way. If the work I do today earns the company I work for 1000 dollars then tomorrow I put in the exact same effort but it earns the company 1500 dollars I don't expect any additional compensation since I did no additional work. Again your using the example of people who are acting like jerks, that's not my style (people reading this thread may disagree but really it isn't). If I, as a customer, am polite make up my mind quickly and don't ask anything extra from the server but then for whatever reason my tip only equals 10-12% of the bill the server is an *** if they get all spiteful over that. And this isn't to you, but in general if I've conducted myself in a courteous manner and left a tip at all, even if it's not what the server had in mind and I found out they did something to cause me issues I would beat them like a bad kid in wal-mart. I look at it this way, any server who doesn't think they make enough in tips really ought to re-examine the way they conduct themselves because odds are they are the problem not the customer.
I've never not tipped, it would take a massive screw job to bring me to that level. A cap is the perfect way to look at it. If I get good or great service I'll never leave them with less than 15% because I value good service. **edit I have walked out of a restaurant because they seated me and I didn't see a waiter for 15 minutes after I ordered my drink so I laid 2-3 bucks on the table for the coke and walked out - there was like 1 other customer beside me in the place so it wasn't busy ** I can see why you would for places you frequent. If they are lazy & rude they are in the wrong job in my opinion and shouldn't be a waiter due to the type of service required so I don't feel bad about leaving a lower tip.
I think most people will give at least a standard tip for good service. But servers who provide ****ty service deserve ****ty tips. And the other original point the OP was making was why he should base tip off of the price of his dinner. The waiter didnt do anything different between the expensive dinner and the cheap dinner.
So obviously salespeople dont deserve commission then? Its the same thing. Ive worked both jobs, you get paid for performing at a high level and providing a high level of service. If you do neither you get nothing. If you do both youre SUPPOSED to receive the bonus for doing the job asked of you. Because I followed this logic, I routinely made more then anyone else whether waiting tables or doing sales. Makes no sense.
WTF are you talkign about. no one here said anything about not giving a tip for good service. BTW, when did I ever say I was mad about people hiding income? I said I don't want to hear them use the excuse about ruining their livelihood as a reason I should leave a tip even if I get bad service. And the restaurants I worked at didn't have "tags" on expected tips, so I was unfamiliar with that. So why don't you go laugh your *** off some more. BTW(again), maximizing deductions is not the same as willingly with-holding/misreporting how much you make.
It's not exactly the same thing. If someone comes to a restaurant 99% of the time they are going to eat something, but just because someone goes to a store, it doesn't mean they will buy something.
Why not just pick the cheapest item on the menu, and calculate you tip based on this. Its the same amount of work for a couple of cheeseburgers as a couple of steaks, all they do is walk the stuff around right.
From everything I've read if you were my waiter you would probably get a solid tip. I've never said that I reward average, good & great the same in relation to tips. I just don't see a need to increase my tip based on my meal price if the effort is the same. I tip based on the service I get not the meal that I ordered. In my original post I mentioned 5-6 bucks. A good waiter would probably get that same money if it had been a 15,20 or 30 dollar ticket because that's what I consider a good price for good service within a limit. To your other statement, I've addressed previously as well. I recognize when what I ask the server causes them to take extra time on me that they could spend with another customer and I will tip accordingly. If you really want me to go there though I'll tip an average waiter that brings me a steak far less than a good waiter bringing me a grilled cheese sandwich.
I see no problem with what you are saying. Hell, if I had good service but the meal was great, I'd rather give the waiter the standard tip (15%) and the cook the "bonus tip."
Thats not the analogy I was drawing. What I was getting at is if I make the sale do I not deserve the commission? Waiting is the same thing.
I don't see waitresses/waiters as sales people. Sure they both provide a service, but waiters are much more like moving people than your typical commission salesmen (at least what I think of as commission sales people). The sale is essentially made when someone walks in the door at a restaurant (unless the wait is too long).
I understand your point but there is no sale being made unless you talk them into add on's like dessert but the meal itself is a predetermined purchase that the server is facilitating. You can use your logic for anything, does the checker at the grocery store deserve a cut because they ran my food across the scanner, bagged it up and took my money?
See thats the thing, I view more like the bolded part. Higher bill = higher tip (at least if people tip the normal 15%) so yeah, it is sales. That bottom part is nothing to do with my logic. Somehow you're connecting my logic to a grocery clerk?
You know the economy is bad when there's a lengthy discussion on the economics of tipping. As for me, I tip based on service and looks. Pretty much how I landed my current girlfriend...
It is related in the sense that you equate a wait person to a salesman who should get a commission even though they are not making a sale but taking an order I relate the server to the grocery bagger by the time the customer gets to either one of them there is pretty much a 100% sale rate. If a waiter is a salesman then a grocery checker is a salesman so they both should get a commission or tip.
Who can afford to eat out? thats why I hunt my dinner. with the price of gas, bullets & tags. I pay about 19.00 a pound for my meat. I do believe you get what you pay for dont expect a Mercedes Benz at the cost of a pinto.
Who knew a thread about tipping would become so heated? Methinks Tarantino was onto something. As far as the philosophy of tipping goes, Im not sure who even invented it, or how it became bad manners to leave under a certain percentage. As far as Im concerned, since this is money that is not expected, the tipper should be able to create his or her own rules. If the waiter does a poor job then by all means leave him under 15%. If he does a great job leave him more. Said waiter/waitress chose that job knowing full well its feast or famine nature. Just my 2 cents.
Just had this discussion yesterday with my gf's mom. She said the average going rate is 20%. I tip 15, 20 if they're good, a bit more if they're great. Maybe when i get a real job I'll tip more, but until then 15% seems like a legitimate figure.
I have left one penny on the tray, and gone to the Captain and gave him the tip, asking him to share it with everyone BUT my server.
well done....tips are earned my friend...if i gotta douche waiter....but my food rocks, ill do the same thing
Wow! 11 pages on the topic. I've only read the first and last pages so forgive me if I repeat someone elses words although I imagine my perspective will be a little unique. In Japan, there is NO TIPPING in restaurants UNLESS you happen to be eating at a military restaurant on a base. Waitstaff at the average Japanese Family restaurant make between 850 yen to 1200 yen an hour (between $8.50 and $12). That's pretty common. If you leave money on the table, the waitstaff will literally run you down as you leave the restaurant to give you the money you left on the table. I appreciate this because you EXPECT good service when you go to a restaurant. When I go out to eat, I EXPECT good service. Why would I go OUT to eat and hope for crappy service? I'm already paying you extra money to prepare my food for me and delivery it to me at my table than I would if I went out and made the meal for myself. If I'm PAYING for your service, I ALWAYS want it too be good. So, from that perspective, I appreciate the Japanese system. If a restaurant has really bad service, it will go under because NOONE will eat there. Now, I have done my time at Sizzler in FL. I understand the whole crap about employers using that sub-minimum wage thing to try to save themselves money. I think they should do away with it. That said, there are some VERY good waitresses and bar tenders that couldn't live without their tips as it really supplements their income. There's always going to be a need for low paid workers and always people around to fill those positions (high school and college students to name a few). I'd be curious to see the numbers. Now, let me throw out some other info for you to digest. In Guam, they get a lot of Japanese tourists. These tourists don't understand the whole tipping thing so the restaurants have added a sneaky tactic to get those tips. They add a 10 to 20% Service Charge to the bill and require everyone to pay it. Each restaurant is a little different and most have the 10%. If you're local, sometimes they'll give you a 10% discount. Should you tip at these places? I figure that if you've already calculated the service charge in, I don't need to tip you unless you provide spectacular service (at my beck and call, keep my glass filled, are funny, and don't get in the way of my meal/company as well). Thoughts?
