This shows why Tua is not a franchise Qb

Yeah, I've mentioned many times how on so many plays there are usually better options with guys open and he just doesn't see them or he's afraid to step up and take a hit or he's afraid to throw a pick, etc. All the best coaching and scheming in the world is not going fix that issue. He can't buy time with his legs. He can't move well around the pocket or take off when he has a wide open lane. He's just so limited and therefor, so is the offense with him at the helm. It's a failed experiment. Move on.

 

Yeah! Forgot to mention!
Did you hear his comments after the game?
He’s ——ing blaming Reek and Waddle for not paying attention to what he’s doing and making the correct route adjustments or something like that! I could not believe that! Such a joke. That pick was a terrible throw!

 

Have to be careful when criticizing stats. No statistician would put any weight on small sample size. I've said so as much many times. Passer rating for small sample size, especially for a single game, is not a good measure. But over large sample it is a very good measure. You adjust passer rating for era and look at who have the best career ratings you get a list of the "consensus" best QBs in history. It captures what matters really well when you have a large sample.

 

You're just proving my point. Alex Smith was a slightly above average QB based on his career passer rating alone after you adjust for era. He only had 2 seasons where his passer rating was really good. Guy is nothing special, which is what passer rating shows.

Mahomes' career rating after 4000+ attempts is 101.8. Tua's after only half that sample size is 97.7. When I've done career ratings I've always thresholded at 4000 attempts. Let's see where Tua is after that. But based on passer rating alone you'd choose Mahomes, not Tua. So you're totally off base with your criticism here of passer rating as a stat.

Regarding clutch and any other contextual factors, it's not whether passer rating includes everything you might think is important. It's how well it predicts win% that matters. The variance in win% explained by passer rating is about 40%. That's massive for a purely offensive stat, assuming defense is close to 50%.

He was thought of as maybe in that elite category when his passer rating was #1. His passer rating ranking kept dropping, and this year it's just average. The perception fits the stats here.

 

Right Pump. This inability to see an average QB who is bolstered by scheme and other players, versus a QB who can manufacture when things go off the rails. Tua is dependent, he doesn't create.

You can win with that, agaist low tier teams, as long as scheme and overall talent is really good. You won't be successful against good teams and coaches, though.

 

101.4 was #9 last year. That's not too far off dude. Don't argue stats when you can't comprehend them.

Alex Smith had mostly average to slightly average passer ratings except 2 years. That's 2 great years out of 14!! Overall slightly above average passer rating, just like most people see him. Smith's career passer rating, adjusted for era, fits exactly.

You have no valid argument. Passer rating is one of the best offensive stats after points scored. That's a fact because of its correlation to win%.

 

What does this have to do with how dependent Tua is or not? Nowhere did that enter my argument. He's trying to use small sample size to argue a stat that is provably one of the best offensive stats based on correlation to win% is a bad one. Dude doesn't have a clue what he's saying.

 

Can't read, can't comprehend eh? Nowhere did I say Tua is elite. You gonna admit you have no clue what you're talking about? Obviously not. Best to stop talking before you dig a bigger hole.

 

Once again, a guy who has no clue in the slightest what he's talking about. I said passer rating adjusted for era. Marino is way above Tua when you do that. Average passer rating in the 1980's and 1990's was in the low to mid-70's. Average passer rating today is in the low 90's. You can't compare raw passer ratings.

Stop with the complete cluelessness!

 

I said elite play, not elite QB. 2022 Tua played elite. He came in #1 in passer rating and he was considered by many close to top tier QB (I think tier 2 back then). You going to argue 2022 wasn't elite play, so be it, but you're way in the minority there and would be considered clueless by most.

 

Yes, only 2 years.

 

I'd say 50/50. It could go either way depending on what Ross does.

 

This site is going to die regardless I think. Also, if we lose like I think we will at Buffalo, I don't know how engaged I'll be this season until we get a new HC/GM etc. Pathetic franchise right now.

 

An elite QB is elite, irrespective of the team around him. Yes, production will certainly vary, but he will be making elite decisions and throws, not panicking and making rookie mistakes like forcing into triple coverage.

Which Tua has always done, and continues to do.

Which is why he is not, and never has been, elite.

Just like Alex Smith was never elite despite your favorite metrics.

 

It's dead. I check Finheaven for a forum that isn't dead. Bunch of people here are posting over there again.