At least I'll be able to go to bed at a reasonable time on Thursday. No way am I staying up until stupid o'clock in the morning to see this shower of ****e get their arses handed to them by Josh Allen.
Tua was under pressure from the right side of the line…his blind side all game long. He didn’t play THAT badly.
We suck. I'm not gonna make this about anything else. At least I was entertained! I mean, this was a fun game.
Man. We had a shot at that. What a rush of emotions. Punt return to take the lead, short lived by a dagger in the heart kick return. Then we get the go ahead TD by achane and that get taken off the board... and what do you know. The abysmal right side back ups get blown up on 4th down and steal all hope. I need a nap...my heart hurts At least we played hard and didn't quit when we were down multiple scores early. We just are not closers
****ing pathetic. Patriots are not a good team and we can't even beat them. If it wasn't for Achane and Washington this would not even have been close. Fire everyone, starting with Grier and McDaniel. If only Ross could fire himself also or sell the team ASAP woulf be wonderful.
Don’t fire anyone. The longer this clown show is in place the more likely we are to have the top pick. That’s what we need.
I mean... dont fire anyone ...yet? If we do suck all year and get a top pick, clear house before you let Grier waste the pick.
I was never pro Grier. McD yes I was wrong about. Tua no. He proved you wrong that he could play at an elite level for a sustained period of time. However, he needs the right kind of coach and supporting cast, and McD can't adapt. So the McD + Tua combination I thought would work out and it didn't, that's true. But Tua himself? No. In the right system he is elite.
I'm not defending Tua. Was he a part of the reason we lost? Absolutely! That interception hurt badly, but as I also said the right side of the offensive line...the side that's supposed to protect his blind side played like crap all day. Borom SUCKS!!! Tua didnt play THAT badly, not with a 115 passer rating, but lets not also overlook the fact that Patriots scored 2 touchdowns and a field goal before the defense FINALLY made a stop. What I was wanting to see this game, I didn't. I have no confidence in a successful season this year.
You,'ve defended Grier on many occasions. Congrats on your admission about McDaniel, but no, Tua is not now and never has been an elite QB. A QB who requires a plethora if elite weapons and a tailor made limited system around him to put up some nice stats against bad teams (but rarely against good teams or in clutch situations) is not an elite QB. In fact Tua should be kissing McDaniel’s feet because mcdaniel is one of the main reasons he managed to get a big new contract. Mcd was brought in to salvage the Tua pick, and he designed a system specifically to hide Tua's weaknesses and maximize his few strengths together with putting elite weapons all around him. He was given a small, uunathletic, low football iq, weak armed, fragile and injury prone QB, so he designed a quick hitting, 1st read system with mainly short to intermediate passing over the middle with elite weapons that can get open quickly and take it to the house. It was a nice gimmick system for a while, until the league figured out you just have take away the first read, pressure Tua, and eliminate the middle of the field. Now the system has been figured out and Mcd doesn't have many other options because his QB is very limiting in what he can do and also can't create on his own.
Regarding Grier I've only said wait and see if some things pan out or not and that he's not as bad as you've made him out to be. He's more or less average actually, and the team's record supports that, while you think he's one of the worst ever. But I've consistently been in favor of getting rid of him. It's just that I don't see it as realistic because Ross seems attached to the guy for whatever reason. So no, nothing to retract on Grier. Regarding Tua, it's in the history books. The guy played elite for 3 seasons straight. You were completely wrong about him on so many things, from not being good with the deep ball, not playing well with a bad OL, not being able to play at a sustained elite level, not being able to carry the team and win a game when the team is down by a lot, etc. The only criticisms of Tua that still remain are health and inability to win when it counts most. Those are very important, and I don't mind if a new coach gets rid of him, but Tua in the right system can play elite at a sustained level. You can definitely build a winner around him with the right coach. The problem is McD isn't the right coach. He can't adapt after others have adapted. That's something I've been asking about for a few years now, whether McD + Tua can still perform at a high level after teams have had a chance to adapt. The answer is apparently no, which is why I'm fine with a reboot. But let's not forget the inability to win when it matters is an issue with Herbert, the other option most people pegged us with in 2020. Herbert has choked in the playoffs thus far, even more so than Tua. This is year 4. There are no excuses. If Herbert doesn't play well and win a playoff game this year, he's also not the right guy. Thus far, the only elite QB from that 2020 draft is Burrow.
He's still a fraud bro. He doesn't have the tools necessary to excel when everything isn't perfect. That is and always has been my concern and issue with him.
Bro he wasn't elite. They had an elite offense. For a half second. It's been figured out, and his hip looks shot. He wasn't elite at Alabama, he was on an elite team. He's not elite now in the NFL, and he wasn't elite a couple seasons ago.
I didn't say he was elite. I said he played at an elite level for a sustained period of time. And yes it's been figured out. That's mostly on McD not Tua.
All the analytics in the world can show he's an elite QB over the past few years, and yet there's no team in the league that would even consider giving up a first round pick for him. What does that say about these stats? Facts will never convince his type. Even after Tua is out of the league, it won't be his fault. Tua is a VERY lucky Mac Jones who should put an altar in his home to McDaniel for getting him PAID.
I don't think that's true. Teams desperate for a QB have given up way more than you'd think the QB is worth and I do think we could get a 1st for Tua even with his contract. Think of what was given up for Watson. He might be a greater talent than Tua, but geez.. that massive contract plus 3 1st rounders?? It's not what you think Tua is worth, it's what QB desperate teams think he's worth, and yeah a 1st is realistic.
The situations between Watson and Tua are vastly different. Well you are wrong, no one is trading for Tua and taking on that albatross of a contract. Dead wrong, but that's nothing unusual.
You don't know the future so don't act like there's no uncertainty here. You've been wrong about a ton of things QB related before too you know, like how Rodgers was going to make the Jets into contenders. In any case, I wouldn't mind if we find out what Tua is worth midseason by trying to trade him. I bet we get at least a 1st.
LOL. Nice try deflecting. Please don't compare your Tua insanity with my flippant Rogers remark like I defended it for hours, weeks, and years. Look at where Tua ranks in the league on any number of lists, and then drop him another 5+ spots after this start. He's finished in this league, and his only chance is a backup Mac Jones deal. Assuming he even survives physically this year, which is a HUGE assumption. You were wrong on Tua. Don't admit. Admit it. No one cares anymore if you want to be delusional. You are the only one that has to live with yourself in your head.
lol.. it's undeniable that Tua played at an elite level for several years. Arguing otherwise is delusional. But it's also true that he needs the right coach and system, and he doesn't have that now. That position is completely consistent with what I've said and asked to see evidence for in the past few years. I wanted evidence the elite play could be sustained. So no there's nothing to retract. And your attempt at childish insults doesn't change that.
As i said on this thread, our defense might be in the top 5 worst defense in the league and top 5 worse in team history we just played the Colts and Patriots, and they moved the ball with ease and put up points on us. I promise you all that the colts and patriots are the most mid offenses we will face this year. And theyre not getting any resistance from our defense. there will be much better offenses to face very soon, as soon as this Thursday.. we get almost no pressure to the qb.. i know a lot of people like Seiler here.. i have always been okay about him.. hes a good player, about a C+ player.. but thats about it He got paid and has been a complete non factor for us so far. Phillips doesnt do anything, Chubb doesnt do anything. Im ready to blow it up and anyone is available (so long that the cap allows it without penalty).. my trade block starts with Tyreek Hill, Minkah, phillips and Chubb.
Blowing it up should occur after finding a new HC or GM, not before. You want the next person in charge to be able to implement their system, and it's possible the next HC might want to keep some of these players. The first step is getting a new HC, and if at all possible a new GM (I said this before, but if Ross refuses to fire Grier he can at least demote him to be subordinate to the new HC.. that should be the absolute minimum so it's someone else calling the shots).
If we're going to blow it all up and start anew, the VERY first step is fire Grier. I don't want him having ANY influence on ANY future decisions with the team. Hire a new GM with his OWN staff. No more holdovers from previous staffs. Then decide, do you start cleaning house of players and freeing up cap space and accumulating draft picks, or do you fire McDaniel and see what an interim head coach can do. Honestly with how poorly the defense has played this season, I can't see Weaver being a viable alternative. This I do say however, our next head coach HAS to be a head coach with head coaching experience. I'm tired of these elevated coordinator experiments
In an ideal world, yes fire Grier, but seriously.. something is up between Ross and Grier. Wishes and reality may be different, which is why I mentioned the alternative of demoting him that might be more realistic (happens all the time in the corporate world — shift power — which Ross is very much familiar with). And yes I agree it's time to experiment with a HC that has experience. You know, one of these days, by luck we'll get it right. Just have to keep trying.
-OLine was trash today -defense couldn't get off the field, like at all -Tua made a costly mistake when it mattered most and then couldn't seal the deal when he had them on their heel. We played some really smooth uptempo ball towards the end of the first half and looked virtually unstoppable. Why did we go away from that? By late 4th we couldn't even manage the clock. That falls on Tua and McDaniel. Special teams giveth, special teams taketh Also, Ollie Gordon had one carry for 8 yards. On that sequence he steamrolled two or three patriot defensive player and then never got another touch until late 4th on an errant throw from Tua (which he caught). Give him the fkin ball, run the ball! Not sure why we went away from him, but what little we saw of him was positive. As for Thursday...Logic says we're getting our doors blown off. I at least want us to fight back.
Everybody is saying,fire mcdaniel,fire grier get rid of tua.You people think this going to fix everything? Nothing is going to change!Why?WE STILL HAVING ****ING ROSS!
Statistically it was. He had a 105.5, 101.1 and 101.4 rating in 3 years from 2022-2024. Those were #1, #5 and #9 in the league those years. That's sustained elite play. Not saying he is an elite QB, just that he played elite for a sustained period.
Just trying to be realistic. Totally agree on Ross but he is dead set against selling the team. And why would he sell? The valuation keeps going up and this is a team he is a fan of.
