Tua will return to practice next week

Personally, I think we stand a far better chance of winning if he doesn't throw that much. However what I think and the plays McDaniel calls are seldom aligned.

 

Yeah, it's been proven time and time again that passing the ball utilizing a QB that has been top 5 in most QB passing stats is a recipe for disaster.

 

Question..

If a QB cannot beat teams above .500 and cannot win playoff games.... Do they deserve to have the phrase: "Top 5" attached to any discussion of them? (even talking about overall statistics?)

 

Answer...

Wins are team stats and using them as the measuring stick for any individual player, including QB's, is beyond lazy and stupid.

(For those that aren't trolls and can read: The Dolphins have beat +.500 teams with Tua as their QB. The Dolphins have played in exactly 1 postseason game with Tua.)

 

Einhorn is Finkle. Finkle is Einhorn.

 

Like it or not... Until a Qb shows he can win the big games... A lot of admiration and respect is withheld.

Dak Prescott recently put up really good numbers in the regular season.

Nobody outside of Prescott's family considers him a top 5 QB

Ditto for Lamar Jackson.

It was the same thing with Phillip Rivers...

In this new NFL where the rules are stacked in favour of more offence, Average QB's put up 4000 yards. (and complete more than 60% of their passes)

You gotta win something.

Tua cannot even win his division.

In the Threads where people go to hate on the Jets the sentiment is that Rodgers is all out of excuses because they went and got him a top receiver and the offence still sputtered.

Well Tua has had better talent than Rodgers.... Hill and Waddle are both better than any receiver on the Jets. Our running backs are better also... (Theirs do not suck, ours are just better.)

What was the record against .500 teams? Choked away the division... Choked away home field advantage in the playoffs... Barely made it as the wild card. (needed help to get in.)

Victories matter.

Until Tua wins something..... He does not deserve high praise.

 

We have a pretty good sample size now to examine life with Tua vs. life without. It's polar opposites. With Tua We're a top 5 offense. Without Tua we can barely score. Seeing what this team looks like without Tua should make you appreciate his greatness instead of trying to just sh!t on him.

 

Trolls don't examine anything. They just troll.

 

Greatness?

Tua is a good QB....

He has flaws.... He has limitations.

To be considered great he has to show he can be the difference maker in the big game.... Go to the playoffs and beat Allen or Mahomes (Burrows, or Jackson....Take your pick)

Putting up 4000 yards in a season no longer is anything special. 60% completion is nothing special anymore...

Heck guys like Brees put up 5000 yards a year multiple times...

I hate the concussion part of his career.... But there is no denying that this is season 5 for Tua and he has not won a damned thing

Year 5...

Tua has a 2:1 TD to INT ratio.... Very pedestrian
Tua has a 66% pass completion... Good but nothing special
Tua has a QB rating of 96... again good... but nothing special.

In year 5 he has no playoff wins
In year 5 he has only one 4000 passing yard season

So let's hold off on the talk of: "Greatness."

I know it is not his fault he keeps getting concussions and I am worried that he is risking his life going back out on to the field.

Fact of the matter is that if Tua retired tomorrow nothing on his stat sheet would be "great"

 

The Cowboys were the only above .500 team we beat last year, and they were probably the weakest playoff team in the league and were one and done in the payoffs same as us, and we barely even beat them in a game we probably should have lost.

Cowboys are very similar to us in a lot of ways. Fools gold being led by incompetent GMs and overrated QBs who can't win the big games when it matters.

 

Tua fixes a lot but there are some bigger issues

 

You are comparing life with Tua to life with a revolving door of barely practice squad level QBs who can't stay healthy for more than 2 games.

It's not a great surprise Tua looks much better in comparison.

 

But nearly any QB could do what Tua has with these receivers...according to you and some other dolts.

 

Well said. These guys are delusional associating Tua with greatness.

 

Nobody said any QB, you just like to put words in people's mouths to fit your narrative.

I've always said Tua is a good QB, definitely much better than the practice squad QBs we've been trotting out there to replace him, he is just not great or elite. He has many limitations and can't stay healthy.

Saying a QB is not great and does not have what it takes to win the big games and a super bowl does not mean we think he is trash and we would be just as good with Skylar Thompson or Tyler Huntley running the offense.

 

Tua has a big chance now, to show that he’s as elite as some claim on here he is a Top 5 QB in the NFL. Take us to the playoffs and win a playoff game. I mean our roster should be good enough, Grier was cooking in the off-season and our roster is better then last season, right? McD should be able to work his magic with Tua back now and we’re ready to rumble! Marino took lesser teams there, time to shine, let’s go!!!

 

Agree with this post...

Sure enough Tua makes this a better team no question. But Even with Tua this team has been an overall disappointment.

 

Exactly right... Either we ball all the way to the playoffs and win in the playoffs or Tua and McD fans need to, as some are telling me lately, to STFU LOL

 

Exactly... We have a couple people here that the second you ask a difficult question or criticise the team or the play of the team... you are suddenly stupid, or not REAL fans. It is such a ridiculous take. Fit into their definition of fanhood, or face their wrath... LOL

 

Exhaulted, I do not think winning a playoff game to be a "Stupid Standard."

 

I would argue that Lamar Jackson is on quite a few top 5 lists outside of his family, considering he has won two league MVPs. I would also debate the assertion that Hill and Waddle are better than any receiver on the Jets, as Adams is still a legit #1 WR, and I would put him above Waddle in just about any ranking system.


Miami/McD/Tua need to finish strong make some playoff noise sooner rather than later; that much I agree with.

 

I expect the dolphins to go 65% run 35% pass.. passing plays will have a shot clock on tua to pass it within 2.5 seconds.. he wont be allowed to let a play develop downfield..

With that said that option is still significantlly better than anything with Huntley and Skylar.. like i said a few weeks back, when everyone kept saying we need to bench skylar and for huntley.. it makes no difference if its skylar, huntley, or some fan off the crowd.. theyre not at that level and these last few weeks showed they should not be in the NFL.

we need to invest this upcoming offseason on a legitimate backup qb or draft one with day 2 or day 3 pick.. there will be someone out there with actual talent to put behind Tua in case we get to this point again. But we can not put guys that wouldnt be on most practice squad rosters and expect them to do anything..

i dont care if its zach wilson, mason rudolph, trubiski, kenny pickett, minshew, dalton, flacco.. you call any of them up and have them behind Tua.. we arent looking for a savior, we just need someone with experience that can somewhat move the chains incase something happens.

our offense has been stuck in standstill for weeks now. Cant move the damn chains. We wouldve been better off going wildcat all day yesterday and probably have better results..

 

Seems you skipped over the word "nearly" and decided to put words in my mouth. Your projection is absurd.

Many here have claimed what I wrote. The posts are there. I believe it was you that claimed Skylar, even though not good, was no difference in the team losing in the playoffs to the Bills. You claimed that even if Tua had played, they would have still lost. That's a pretty clear picture that you're painting of Tua. You think that Tua would have played no better than a 7th round rookie at QB and the outcome would have been the same. You believe that Tua wasn't even good enough for 3 more points.

Here's the deal. Out of 100 things Dolphins related, according to you, 99 are wrong. Rational people just don't think this way. I have no clue why you even watch the Dolphins.
You have:
No hope. No objectivity. No rationality. No objectivity. With you it's just "hate, hate, hate, hate, sorta like, hate, hate, hate, hate...etc. Most teams don't win in the playoffs because most teams don't get there. Even fewer get to and/or win a Super Bowl. So when a person, every preseason, says, "This team sucks if they don't win the Super Bowl"...guess what, the overwhelming majority of the time that team will suck...according to you.

The 49ers have beat 1 winning team this season. Purdy is a choker and the 49ers suck then, right? Purdy put up a 40 passer rating yesterday against the Chiefs. Far bellow what Tua has done playing the Chiefs.

You completely ignore context and situations.

One thing I do agree with you on, however, is that it's time for Grier to go. Even though by all accounts and measurements he's been about an average GM, it's time for him to go. The difference between you and me regarding Grier is that I can look at the entire picture and realize that he doesn't just "suck". It's lazy and easy to just spout that ad nauseum, but it's not the truth. He's built one of the most talented teams in the NFL. He chose a top QB with a flaw. That flaw is the inability to stay safe. Tua plays too carelessly.

We've seen Josh Allen, who is a monster, (Who is 0-3 in postseason away games, and 5-5 overall, BTW) suffer two head injuries, one of which was most definitely a concussion, 2 x this season because he plays carelessly at times. Allen has also been diagnosed with concussions before and also tore his UCL. Do you think he's "injury prone" or is it just Tua? Allen can definitely take bigger hits than Tua because he's much bigger. However, we rarely see Allen lower his head and run full speed into a DB. Tua has a major flaw in that he doesn't seem to want to give up on the play and risks injury to himself.

We see Mahomes sliding when he needs to. When he doesn't, he gets concussed.

Lamar Jackson has missed numerous games with numerous injuries. Is he "injury prone"? Jackson was 0-2 in his first 2 playoff games. (Both home). Then he went 1-2 in his next 3 postseason playoff games. (All 3 away games) Overall, Jackson is 2-4 in the post season with a 75 passer rating.

Yet we somehow claim that Tua can't "win the big game" because he's 0-1 and played against the future SB champs who also beat the Bills and Ravens..in their stadiums. Not to mention that the Bills and Ravens were both relatively healthy while the Dolphins had couch free agents playing at multiple positions.

 

Just saw Mariota is a free agent after this season.. he is close friends with Tua, they come from the same football program in high school.. they play similar, hes an accurate qb with experience as a starter. he would be the ideal backup qb next season.. had a great game yesterday coming off the bench for Daniels.. sign him up.. hes my #1 free agent target next offseason..

 

I mean if Mariota is okay being the back up and will sign for peanuts.... Sure go get him

 

He’s p!ssed and it’s pretty clearly it’s because he was treated differently.

 

Hes been treated differently because hes had multiple concussions where he has seized up, and because two seasons ago he suffered multiple concussions against buffalo which led to the NFL applying spotters to games. When it comes to concussion protocols, the dolphins and tua has a target on their back.

We did this to ourselves. Our staff screwed this up. the NFL faces countless lawsuits concerning CTE and almost wvery year they reach another multi hundred million settlement to those because of CTE.


And believe me when i say the NFL is back to zoning in on the dolphins now that Tua is back. Theyll be keeping a very close eye to dolphins games and making sure we do right.

if Tua seizes up again after a hit, you wont see him play another game this season.

 

I think Jackson is a very athletic QB...

But he has won nothing... Despite being on very good teams and winning the MVP

So he is not on my top 5 list.

Great coach
Solid team
But no playoff success

No excuse for the lack of big wins....

 

You said:

"Tagovailoa said he has not experienced any concussion symptoms since the day after he suffered it in a Week Two game against the Bills and that he did not have any conversations about retiring during his time on injured reserve. While he wasn’t symptomatic, Tagovailoa said he didn’t take issue with going on injured reserve because experts told him that “having a substantial amount of time to rest and recover” was in his best interests.

Tagovailoa was also asked about those who are concerned that he’s putting himself at risk of lasting problems due to brain injuries. He said there’s “a gray area” in terms of what doctors believe in terms of long-term impact of concussions and that playing football “is what makes me happy and I’m gonna do it.” "

Well that is the problem... There is one brain trauma specialist that said last year there was no higher risk of further damage or concussions if appropriate rest and healing took place. The rest of his peers at the University of Pittsburgh believe different. The published papers from the University on the subject say that there is a direct correlation to injury and a likelihood for future concussions.

To call this a "Grey Area" is like saying: "Don't worry, I have the good type of Genetial Herpes."

 

If Tua didn't play like dog crap in those games, I'd agree. But Tua's has to often been not good in those games himself.

 

Dude honestly, it's pointless. They are steadfastly arguing that we exaggerating the potential harm, and that there isn't any, and that concussions have nothing to do with CTE.

 

You mean the game where Tua had Zero passing or Rushing touchdowns? The game where Tua fumbled the ball twice? That game? The game where the Defence actually scored a touchdown for us? (which almost never happens) That game?

you want to blame the loss on the defence?

LMAO

 

He’s been on par with how nearly all QB’s play against those teams. The outlier is typically Mahomes. But Allen puts up about the same numbers against KC as Tua does. Tua puts up about the same numbers against the Ravens as Allen does. Jackson puts up about the same numbers against the Bills and KC as Tua does. Etc etc…